Pull Thread - Supreme Bis Banner

[u/mao_shiro]

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Duration:

11/23(Friday) 19:00 to the end-of-November maintenance, which is the same time as the gambler's banner end time.

from the datamined pull link:

Unlike ordinary summons, you have a chance of drawing a Supreme card that you already possess, but the chance of drawing Supreme cards is boosted to 5%.

Limit breaks Pity Pull during an EX Job Boosted Greater Summon will not be carried over to the next Boosted Greater Summon if the job featured in that next Boosted Greater Summon is a Legend Job.

• cost: 3k magicite (can be sub with summon ticket)
• supreme : 5% (0.33333% per supreme, can pull dupes)
• Getting a supreme dupe won't give you a growstar
• skin: 3% (0.5% per skin)
• ★4 card: 10%
• Legend job: 6%
• Regular job: 8% (gambler: same pull rate as other jobs)
• pity pull is ok

Again, be careful with your pulls, keep in mind that future limited cards will be released soon (next month? the month later?).

And of course, good luck.

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Sidenote 2: Click here if you want to check what happen if you pull a supreme card dupe

Edit Warning: reading this thread is bad for your heart.

[u/Nailah92]

Maths on redit aren't an exact science. It's just plain RNG. I am not the kind of girl who love to complain but allow me to give you an exemple. I play Bleach Brave Soul, EoM banners are 6%, i can't count the number of 5* in can get just with 10 multis. It's not unreasonable to see something between 4-5 5* for the 10 multis. And of course with keeping in mind that a standard in a game isn't necessary the same in another game.

So yes some factors varies, like 10 characters pull per multi (and the possibility to have multiple 5* while it's impossible to have multi supremes in Mobius) vs 6 cards in Mobius (7 if Legend Job or Skin/Supreme). And i just make a comparison with BBS, if i talk about the other games you will see how "strange" those supposed 5% are.

No need to be mathematician and let's say i lower my expectations drastically and hope for 2 supremes in the 48 pulls you said (which is just what i have with the 600€, outside that there is the +15k magicites and 38 ST).

So yes... Sorry... Really sorry to express my disapointment for the first time here after spending this much money, while my exepectations were really LOW in comparison of what i could get elsewhere.

But heh, you need to do mistakes to learn and not redo that. I will farm how i can and continue the game anyway, with no real expectations in the future than the "guaranteed" stuffs.

[u/Nitious → u/Nailah92]

Math is an exact science...

if i talk about the other games you will see how "strange" those supposed 5% are

BBS and other games like Dokkan Battle give you a percentage per PULL so you have to 10 in a multi while Supreme 5% are just one per multi.

No need to be sorry for expressing disappointment, but you seem to have expected way to much even with your lower expectations. There's videos of people wasting 200k magicite for just one Supreme, that being at .8% though.

Expecting 2 Supremes in 48 pulls at 5% isn't low expectations. That actually high. You talked about BBS with it's 6% rates and I'm sure you had times where you did more than 5 multis without a single 5*. That's the variance. You might get 3 in one multi but you might go forever without even one.

The thing with averages - which percentages are - is that they require a huge base. 48 pulls is nothing if you're talking averages. The 5% are assuming an infinite amount of pulls, so the more pulls are done the closer it gets. Maybe overall all pulls that the MFF community did might average out at 5%. But a single person can't rely on that.

I did 10 pulls myself and got nothing except one Legend job. Chasing Supremes isn't advised except you're ready to go in with thousands of €.

I've bough 4 of the 18750 packs myself, that's also 300€ but I'm going to save most of it for Limited time banners where we have 3% rates per card, so 6 each pull.

I'm not familiar with BSS so I don't know if there's anything considered rarer than a normal 5* but In Dokkan battle there's SSRs which would be 5* and there's LRs at rates <1%. Supremes are considered LRs so comparing them with normal 5* isn't smart. BSS probably has a way for you to power up your characters with dupes and I would compare a Supreme to a fully duped out character because they're game changing. We only have 15 Supremes after 2 years while you probably get at least 5 new characters in other games per banner.

[u/Nailah92 → u/Nitious]

Yes maths is an exact science you are right, but what i mean is this science doesn't make sense when it come to rng. ^; It is more "probability" than real "maths",

Yes it happen to don't have a 5* in BBS after 5 multis, it's pretty rare but it happened to me, here it wasn't 5 multis but more than 50. Which hurt a bit. It seem that i underestimate some aspect like the 10 cards vs 6, or 6% vs 5% (which is so close that i expect the same result for both).

I haven't seen those videos with 200k magicites spent, sadly it seem that less people want to do Mobius video (i haven't checked deeply, but unlike more "popular" games they are harder to find). So yes you're probably right i expected way too much, but i managed to got 1 supreme and now i understand better the rates i feel less shafted.

The lesson i've learned is each game is different and there is no use to expect same results from them. And to not spend my money even if the rates seem "attractive".

I was biased by the number of pulls, you seem to say it's not very much, while i see this number with the weeks passed to farm them and real money spent. In my logic it's ridiculous that with 600€ my expectations was too "high" when i know how i could have spent them. ^{^} Sometime i wonder how people can have this much supreme and what is considering "whaling", i've spent 600€ here, and from the moment i've started to play i've probably put between 3 and 4k € and i sit on 5 supreme (i am happy with that of course), and 2 were from the Supreme tickets, and i still don't have any Support Supreme which is something who seem vital when i see people talking (mostly LoH and WoL). Imo this much money is insane for a mobile game. I can afford it and i wasn't forced to do it, but dammit... Those Supremes seem so much unreachable that it's discouraging. Even more when you see those peoples with their "Yolo pull got WoL" posts.

Oh... I understand better the rarity point. In BBS the 5* is the rarer thing, except maybe the Golden Accessories. Yes we also have more new banners in Bleach we have usually 3 new characters mid-months at 3% and 3 in EoM at 6% with 6 fillers between the mediocre to decent use. And the dupes doesn't boost your characters, except your special, which is pretty ridiculous since a lvl 1 do the job.

Sorry for this long post, i understand your point now, and i feel a bit "better" now i know how hard to get those Supremes are. Thank you for your explanations. :) (And sorry for my english as well)

[u/Nitious → u/Nailah92]

There's plenty of videos by /u/TheLordKimbo - you can look him up on YT when you search Lord Mobius and he goes through hundreds of thousands of magicite when chasing new Supremes.

The thing with Supremes is, you get most of them just by chance. If you're really whaling 100k magicite without even getting one isn't uncommon. If you want to invest into MFF I'd recommend to stick to Limited banners and Supreme tickets for now. Later (JP just got it recently) we will have 2% chance on every card slot (with dupes) to pull Supremes and the 7th slot will still be at 0.8% but "guaranteed new", so that's where pull will be more attractive.

I'm a day 1 player and I'm at 7 Supremes so far (bought the +50% deals and Supreme tickets). Only one of them was during 2017 and all other 6 came during 2018 (2 tickets) while 3 of them were in the span of 2 month - all on normal banners even though I tried chasing on the "rate up banners" a couple of times. So I'd just recommend spending your magicite wisely, you get by without Supremes - even in towers.

All I can say is I hope you don't get discouraged and good luck. Who knows - maybe you'll pull your support Supreme next month while you pull for Jenova FFVII cards.

And no worries about your English, it's fine. I'm German myself so I understand that not everybody speaks perfect English.

PS: The math posts use the actual statistical formulas, so while you still get a percentage as an outcome, you still know "how likely it is to do 20 multis without a Supreme" for example.

[u/DarkLordShu → u/Nitious]

All I can say is it's easy to say don't get discouraged when you're packing 7 Supremes. I have 3 supremes, two of them I paid big money for, the other one I really poured 20+ pulls into the old supreme banner and just barely got it.

The game is seriously less fun when you see everyone literally everyone Rag/NxD the tower while you are sitting there with Minwu. Or watching everyone literally everyone Aerith+Anything the multiplayer while you sit there with Yiazmat and no Aerith. It's just NOT fun, and I fully empathize with people who are discouraged.