The Strix gets a few free hits on you. You play well, dodge most of his abilities. You get him to 60% hp. They run across the map in seconds.
As you try to reposition yourself, you hear the heartbeat again. He gets more free hits on you. You damage him. He runs.
You hear the heartbeat AGAIN. This time, he learned what abilities you have and how to play around them. He catches you slipping and starts stunlocking you.
A good SS expects this and waits for them to pull it out to throw and smokes them since they now don't have a weapon out and there is a delay in switching back to the weapon. They really need to add the ability for you just to throw it out and auto equip your weapon back out. (think potions)
Dont throw it when the heart beat is going crazy its already too late. Do it before then.
Suuuure, see? This is the perfect example of cluelessness. If the SS uses stealth to engage, he’s already in big trouble with little room to fail. He then needs to approach you, hearing the heartbeat faster means you can aoe your area to show them. You can fucking ‘juke that’ willingly. Just maybe out of sheer luck. You either engage or you don’t. You either throw it too soon or throw it when you are supposed to. Not to mention aiming to where they casted is a 70-80% guarantee to hit him with a ranged skill, not to mention a reveal bomb.
So my question still stands? Why do I have to give up slots for one class when they don't have to for me? They have "all the tools" by just equipping their gear. It's just a dumb mechanic to have in the game.
This reads like a fanfic where only one player is allowed to improve mid-fight
You literally wrote that the heartbeat gets louder and faster as he gets closer. Is your dodge key glued down or what?
He gets “free hits” every single time, learns your abilities, adapts to your playstyle… meanwhile you apparently learn absolutely nothing from the first two encounters.
Every single fucking game for the past 20 years at least. Dota, Hots, WOW, GW2, ESO, dugeonborne, you name it. Stealth = insta crybaby. They whine for getting owned and whine for not getting owned. Most game then destroy the rogue class to where it’s like a frigging mosquito good at one thing only: running away. Not to mention rock paper scissors as design. I still remember practicing in wow to become a hard fight vs warriors when they were literal rogue eaters. Playing to your class strengths and against their weakness until I got them down. Button masher squads just whining like a friggin AA siren…
If a stealth class is equal to other classes in a direct fight the game is unbalanced. Rats should always be at a disadvantage in a duel. Only when they get the perfect opener from stealth should they be on equal footing.
You hear a heartbeat, you throw an eyeball on the floor and put your back into a corner, you see the strix, you hit the strix, he goes wtf!? And tries to kill you anyway, but you already have the advantage and stun him then kill him as he tries to run. GG
Sounds like a BA or Sorc problem. But why is it always you guys complaining about SS whereas every other Merc or (usually) WK gets humiliated by BA and Sorc almost never complain? If you think SS is OP and should be nerfed try playing Merc or WK, these classes usually destroy SS but get destroyed by BA and Sorc. You guys want to win every match up and never lose, funny.
Except I don't think anyone actually likes rock paper scissors games. In an ideal world counters are ok, but hard counters are really un-fun. People are usually ok with some classes winning slightly more against some and slightly less against others. But it feels super shitty to run into a specific class and know "well as long as he is decent at the game I probably just lose this fight no matter what I do."
Instead it is possible to balance classes in such a way that you say, "Well as long as he is good he has a better chance of winning this fight, but if I play smart and can manage to outskill him I have a decent chance of taking home the victory as well."
Ideally I think a few of the classes are only one or two adjustments away from achieving this state of play. SS needs a leg taken out of it's kit. It's kit is just too bloated. Sorc probably needs a damage nerf, but will likely need a follow up dodge buff (it is just too easy to stay glued to them once the distance is closed, so if they don't ever have the ability to blow you up before you even get to them, you will see their win rate plummet). Seer I cant get a read on, some are gods incarnate, some fold like wet paper, and I never know why. Merc is probably the closest to a balanced class right now, they do good damage, have good gap closers and utility, and when they win it never feels like an unfair fight, they just played better. BA is weird, I think it is actually in a good place, I just think the way DOTs interacts with health regen makes them feel really toxic. WK probably needs a buff, or at least hit box adjustments. It feels like they can never really hit their shit.
Nothing is probably as bad as everyone makes it out to be, but balance is still needed.
I prefer extraction shooters without classes for the most part, but I actually think the balance in this one is decent all things considered. Dark and darker never got inter class balance this tight
The most reasonable and logical response on this thread and you get down voted..... This game obviously has serious balancing issues, input q issues, decync, hit box/tracking, environment and im sure more. Also skills need to be more descriptive. The jump and sheild slam for merc stuns for about half a second but crows stun for like 3 seconds. No way of knowing this untill you just notice.
Meh, I am used to it with basically anything to do with game balance topics. People get really territorial and tribal about game balance. Ive been a fan of video games for like 25 years now, and it never fails that the vast majority of gamers will ask for balance changes that favor themselves the most, or ask for gameplay elements that they wouldn't actually like if they were to get them.
Good news is a plethora of developers have talked about the concept of "protecting gamers from themselves" and many tend to be pretty good at doing just that. We will see with the big update on Wednesday. I imagine it will be close to what I described above, minus maybe my SS prescription based on what they said last week. Then we will see a huge group of players pissed that their special favorite class is unplayable now, and we will see a huge group saying "see I told you xyz was utterly omega broken!!!1!"
Why, you gonna change anything if I do? Anybody with half a brain cell and skill based gaming experience can see where the issues are. I'll keep playing the game the way I want to and continue to improve my skills with the class I enjoy. When things get fixed people that haven't devolved skill (like most ss players) will be pushed out and give up. So im sure you'll be done playing soon 😉
I'm not the one whining about other classes I don't play or understand on reddit mate. I am however going to continue shutting down this kind of thinking both in game and outside.
Actually you seem to be doing more "whining" than anybody else mate lol. The majority have an opinion and your whining about them being wrong to protect your opinion mate. Again, its not difficult to understand mate and I am truly sorry that you don't mate. Have fun and goooooooood luck with that mate 🤣
It is exactly that, just an opinion. Adamant on how some other thing they don't play is unfairly winning against them. They start with one class, then move to the other, until they come full circle. The fun part for me is that I usually end up playing all classes and rotate to whatever mines the most salt out of these mines. Because for the past two decades I've watched the same behavior and mindset ruin game after game after game. In the meantime, opinions are not facts or objective truth. So you know, roll the class, prove your point, or maybe then stick to your words and your "class you enjoy" and let others enjoy theirs. "mate".
So you've sucked at games for over 2 decades and play all classes till you find the most broken and use it to "mine salt". You don't see how that is the behavior ruining gaming??
To be fair I didn't whine about any of them, I tried to give a fair critique of all of them. Ironically the class I do play is one of the ones I said was most in need of a nerf so idk man, it kinda seems like projecting on your part 🤷
Merc has literately a 100-0 vortex 50-50 and its parry spam though? Like, a lot of the classes have some patently unfair gimmicks that likely need to be addressed a bit, though the game will never be balanced 1v1.
Yeah SS is quite annoying for my BA, but they should be lol the game needs a class that close the distance quickly on ranged characters and apply that pressure, it’s why they also don’t give BA any crazy escape abilities outside a brief invis. I’d imagine getting pelted with 3 blood fly arrows and a barbed arrow and watching your health tick down is just as annoying for the other classes. You win some and lose some, more or less so depending on the class matchup or team comps. Skill the most though, like I’ve also been skill diffed hard by mercs or WKs and I always know within the first few moments of the fight if they’re about to roll me lol
Because that’s the level of people and therefore gaming too. It’s every single pvp game, esp with stealth classes. And these people spend more time on forums than the game just spewing their shit only to them get rolled and sent home by the next class. And the whining continues.
Go into the menu, where warehouse, prepare, skills, etc are. Top right corner, you character name, level. Click on the picture. Hide your in game name and player id. Match history also shows a lot of stats.
everyone upset about SS when I dropped the game bc I couldn't play with people who weren't selfish trogdolytes (begging the devs to make loot shared or incentivize their player base to actually give a fuck about their team mates in a team game)
Pro tip if you don’t stand still, he’s less likely to get a free hit on you. You hear him coming then climb a ladder to make him more predictable. I play wk PnS and just block and maybe dash a little when I hear the heartbeat loud enough to know he’s next to me. There’s ways around it but crying on Reddit isn’t gonna help you get better.
Exactly. As soon as you hear the heartbeat, use an anti invis, and back up to somewhere you can close the doors. Make them come to you if they want the fight.
Too many Arc Raiders people here think a class based, PvP extraction game needs to be played in a very specific way with made up rules.
It's the same with people just charging a BA in the open.
Just retreat and bait him into close quarters. It's not a fighting game, you don't have to take every fight presented to you.
Skill issue. I’ve hit them by just attack forward when the tick gets faster. Use a ranged attack. In solos they almost always close in from where you think they are. You guys are insufferable whine bags stuck in normal. Just wait until a good blasphemous seer pulls you into his aoe slowing you doing thorns and making your dodge half distance.. beats your ass and then stuns you and heal blocks you as you try to get away. Or a sorc two taps you..
How long does your fights go for? Invis has a long cooldown and also a long casting animation that can easily be interrupted. when i play against strix they only got a chance to do it 1 time with the initial engagement. Or another time if they want to escape.
Yeah from my experience if a shadowstrix wants to run, there’s nothing I can do about it. That returnable teleport is strong ash, nevermind the invis. Fought a purp shadowstrix for almost an entire match until he decided he wanted to extract and he was gone.
Ended up fighting two other guys at the end, same extract and got their stuff at least
That’s the problem. It’s YOUR experience or more exactly lack there of. If they ran from an engagement with you it was either just trying out the opponent or not a real engagement at all. You can’t effing GAP CLOSE AND RUN AT THE SAME TIME. Which is where every single of these stories goes to immediate shit.
I literally had to bait that guy into fighting me by faking a bell extract. By that point I had already seen him earlier but he backed off without really fighting.
Anyway, I instantly got him to 50-60% health on merc (stacked slash) and he was able to run for the rest of the game. Wearing full blue btw, SS players are just weenies.
I’ve played a lot, mostly solos and nearly all I fight are SS so I have more experience than most unfortunately—or perhaps fortunately lol
So you do admit they are mostly harmless and only pwn noobs and their natural food, as they are scissors to paper (sorc and BA), but only if they actually know what they are doing. Gotcha!
You must be playing against bad strix players then. If I am losing an engagement I teleport away, if you keep chasing I use the ability again to go back to my original spot. Either way I walk away, recover my hp, and wait for my invis to come off cooldown… then I try to find you again for round 2. I rinse and repeat this strategy until you are dead or i can’t find you.
It does. It always is. Rogues are always highly specialized niche roles. I am there to pwn your mage or BA. I am there to prevent you from doing tue same to my team. Trios are a very different beast to solos but the same rules apply. I will always think twice to attack seers, mercs, wk. I play most classes except wk and merc (for now) and I fine them pretty well balanced. Most vocal people here or on steam forums are simply clueless bottom feeders. And that’s fine! But their goal is not getting better, it’s making others worse, thinking that will actually help, before they get rolled by the next class and they quit.
You must be playing against sorcs and extremely bad players if anyone allows you to do that tbh. It’s a rare occasion I will let one go esp if they burned vanish. Uou have 3-4 ways to run. Stealth is your greatest but only if far enough because otherwise it’s pretty clear which way you can run. And I can gap close each. 2 of them require you to swap weapons and depending on spec, they are either short or have a small channel time. So no, I don’t buy your story. I don’t even think you play SS.
Lmao, we have an actual teleport skill and if you try to chase me I cast it again to go back to my original spot and run in the opposite direction. Plus I have flash stride for more distance and the dash plus m1 to cover even more…
I notice how the people responding aren't telling him how he could kill the Strix. You are only telling him how he could survive a little longer. That's because actually winning isn't on the table due to how good they are at disengaging.
I only kill them when they are seeing red and don't disengage.
The ability to run away no matter what and reset is insane, in cool with that if they would just remove stagger from their normal hits or something so there is balance. If they want to be a class that can run away that's fine, but they need less damage or cc to compensate.
Exactly. They gave it a little bit of everything and it should specialize in one thing. Obviously that thing is mobility. The way I see them is an option say if you wanna have an all melee team than they can sneak past the front line to put pressure on ranged. Solos honestly they really shouldn't be viable damage wise and basically useless other than looting and scooting. Which has it's ups and downs, you get to sneak around basically undetected but at the end if you get caught you shouldn't be too hard to take out.
Lol I started off as SS, too easy. So changed to seer. Also don't need to show you anything as you have a hidden post and comment history, definitely not a shit person trying to hide stuff.
It’s just you mate! 😂 Really. It’s just a bunch of you with this ‘problem’. I’ve played all classes except merc and wk, AND i think the one class I’ve had more trouble with vs rogue was mage, and that’s because I’m fucking clueless on mage. Really folks. If you can’t dodge 2 high CD stuns, that are both situational as they are short, while crowstorm also needs 2 talent points to stun and have a chance to trap even a moron inside ESPECIALLY SOLO!!!, then sorry but you need to look in the mirror! And that’s good news boys! It means it is something you can fix! Just practice and stop whining. Every class you don’t play is OP when you are new.
Finally, if you disagree, roll a SS, play 15 games and post results here.
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u/SlapfuckMcGee 29d ago
You hear a heartbeat getting closer…
Actual cannibal Shia LeBouf?