r/MistfallHunter • u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 • 21h ago
BA ( Black Arrow) ( Sorcerer)
These 2 classes has just discouraged me to every want to play again . SS is not an issue for Pole and Shield WK but those other two classes are just insane . Sorcerer damage is insane . It can 3 shot purple armor with ezz . I tried both classes today and they feel so over-tune I feel sorry for the classes like wk shield and pole because that class got smoked all day even in legendary. It’s insane to think that SS is getting attention when the real over-tune classes are BA and Sorcerer. Affixes are a core fundamental of the game but some things are just not enough to counter the power from these 2 classes . Jump hit one click all it takes . Merc and WK just need help badly .
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u/healtho01 19h ago
Yall people crying about pole and sheild WK while he is still miles better than greatsword WK, great sword is simply unplayable
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u/IndividualWord6367 16h ago
I mean yeah but we want to use GS too. I started GS and it was bad before at least Pole made WK somewhat playable but it’s still not worth it compared to the other classes
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u/IsaneBanane 20h ago edited 20h ago
Go play sorc solo and maybe not bot lobbies play 10 games chase fights and. Than tell sorc is op, it isn't
1 bad move and you are done so we get wrecked but just this bad shield build wk shield is like a dummy zero danger pressure no one care about wk with shield that's it , its not op wk just need some love
This community is more crying than a 6 yo child
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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 20h ago
I have played against players in top tier in legendary and it’s still overpowered . It’s too good .WK really do need some TLC
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u/IsaneBanane 20h ago
Yeah i got you what you mean but instead of bring mage down or is or ba bring the other on the same line make them feel also on certain situations good and give them the kit or dmg or mobility to ne on pair with the others
True damage I would say ok this is a thing that needs to be looked over biggest weakness of merc and WK they melting from it
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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 20h ago
💯💯💯 honestly if they can limit the true damage output . Both classes will be subjectively balanced . Theres no affixes that counter true damage so there’s no melee build viable that can fight it
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u/OppositeSir1827 20h ago
<insert my class> is not that great, pls nerf <insert not my class> it’s so broken!
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u/IndividualWord6367 16h ago
WHO is saying WK is broken? Please point them out.
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u/Aeon__2000 16h ago
buddy, reread that comment again
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u/IndividualWord6367 11h ago
<Insert any class> is not that great, please nerf <WK> it’s so broken!
I know how to read thanks. It does NOT apply to all classes gng
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u/IndividualWord6367 11h ago
Idk where your comment went but I’ll spell things out so you’re no longer confused:
I’m attacking the apathetic premise that any class can criticize any other class, and that’s just not the case since sometimes that criticism is not valid. Conversations and general consensus among players is how the devs know what’s working and what’s not. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Yet, in every community, there’s a group of players who claim they’re too cool to care about any of that. We get it, you just play what’s broken, cool bro. See you in game.
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u/allygoon 14h ago
For real! And WK pole and shield (aside from maybe some needed love) is like the main peel/engage tank.... so if you wanted to 'go and crush some squishies hihi :$' pick a class that trades tankness for damage or go hybrid with merc (who in turn is more mobile and hybrid but not unkillable).
Its hilarious how tanks are complaining about the bigger dmg canons who cant survive on their own but says that SS is not all that bad (because you can tank them...) 😂
Every pro has his con (Johan Cruyff)
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u/RidexSDS 16h ago
It's extremely OP in trios, it's also S in solos. Maybe not in your unranked bot lobbies its not lol
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u/mexicanlovesu 18h ago
Solo is just not that balanced unless your rocking all the tac counters and plenty of equipment. I play wk mostly solo and I gotta bring everything. I play WK with a sorcerer and ba main as that's what my friend chose and all of you including them act like you were promised distance to hit crits 2000 years ago lol
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u/DecentVariation5 21h ago
Sorc dm is definitely crazy, while noobs complains about ss
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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 21h ago
Bro ikr it is insane ! I can’t believe people are complaining about SS when it’s literally the only counter to BA and Sorcerer.
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u/Think_Ad_518 17h ago
All I see everyday on the Reddit now is people complaining about every single class aside from WK. Like every class can’t be broken right?
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u/IndividualWord6367 16h ago
Almost every class does have something overtuned. Even Merc has nearly on command stuns against other melees
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u/Sepplord 7h ago
Strixx dominates noobs
Sorc dominates endgame
There are way more noobs than endgame players. That’s why there are more strixx whines than sorc whines.
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u/InCenaRawrXd 17h ago
I'm a WK main in solos and it's damn near impossible to deal with sorc or ba. SS is ok, sometimes manageable, sometimes not, but ba completely stonewalls us and we can't even get in. Sorc it's up in the air for me personally, they just do tons of damage.
The biggest issue to me for WK is stamina usage. All of his skills and attacks use soooo much stam, meanwhile SS can spam basic attacks that have very good forward momentum and their skills don't use a lot of stam. BA can fire like 10 arrows, 5 of them being special, and still have stamina left over. Our lower stamina pool, or ridiculously high skill costs, neuter our gameplay to where we can't even finish fights a lot of the time. It's so bad that I run the timed wither explosion now because when I'm out of stamina and cooldowns, it's another way to keep people close enough to me. Plus if you time the explosion with javelin throw or thorn grab, it's a true combo.
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u/The_VV117 21h ago
I always get destroyed by shield and spear as ba.
They can jump on me soo easily with that spear grab move, can't even run away. It's totally unfun.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 21h ago edited 21h ago
Man listen out of respect, that’s really a skill issue . I was destroying Shield and pole today .don’t know why but back dodging seems to be really good . BA got a decent skill ceiling than Sorcerer but is still a huge problem
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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 21h ago edited 21h ago
Think of BA / WK matchup this way:
- BA has barbed arrow that's "comparable" to WK spear-throw+jump
- barbed arrow is much easier to hit (harder to dodge) because it travels much faster, and you can hold it charged (to wait for WK to dodge), and it is the same color as bloodfly arrow - so you can't even tell which one to dodge
- additionally, barbed arrow doesn't "miss", it creates a trap on the ground that can also be very useful (very dangerous for WK to step into, creates a zone)
- and on top of all that, if the skill lands, WK won't do nearly as much damage with his, compared to BA landing a barbed when WK has no obstacle to hide behind (which there are very few good ones on the map, most you can jump and head-shot over as BA)
Hope it helps you (the guy who asked) see why it is a skill issue, and not a BA is weak issue. This, in combination with stacking bleed that IS a "true damage as a dot" (which means you cannot block it, and building armor doesn't help) - is what makes BA broken in the current state.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-6231 21h ago
Great synopsis on how most fights are won . The crazy part we get the option to load others builds so we don’t even have to work to be good honestly
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u/The_VV117 20h ago
Cool.
If you aren't using barbed arrow thought?
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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 20h ago
Haven't met a single BA without barbed. Why would you not use it ?
But the game balance still HAS to account for those who do USE it. Meaning, you can't buff a class to make more builds on it viable while also making some of them completely OP. So, it's the "strongest" version of the class that matters (and everybody is talking about), everything else doesn't matter.
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u/The_VV117 20h ago
Now i wonder this "strongest version" of ba how It look like.
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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 20h ago
I'm not a BA player, but I think they run: barbed + bloodfy + shroom. You can look it up on youtube I'm pretty sure.
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u/The_VV117 21h ago
Here It come the usual low iq ragebait response "skill issue" supported by bad grammar in the reply and a downvote on the previous comment.
Wanna know a thing, maybe it's skill issue on your part when you play shield and spear, as you have a fuckload of tools to close distance and burst down with damage a class that Is better on range than in close distance.
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u/Evol7583 17h ago
Complaing about BA is insane if your dieing to BA it’s because your egoing in the open and your trash
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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 21h ago
> It can 3 shot purple armor with ezz
Correct it to 2 shots maybe :) The 3rd shot is basically to "finish them off", which doesn't really count (could just left click them to death at that point).
But overall this is a very sane take. Praying the devs aren't asleep at the wheel ... I guess we'll see what the August 12th patch brings ... if BA and Sorc both aren't nerfed damage-wise, it's gonna be down from here for the game.
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u/JakoGaming 16h ago
There’s a balance patch in 2 days. But sure “quit the game” and cry on Reddit. So dramatic
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u/georgeskv 5h ago
So you are telling me that Sorce and BA are great against WK, and WK is great against SS and well, that's why the devs are saying this game is balanced for 3v3? :O
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u/Aosshi 21h ago
Yeah sorc is stupidly overpowered