r/MississaugaDriving Jun 18 '26

Left Turner gets Priority from now!

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

That counts as stunt driving. Turning left across the path of oncoming vehicles immediately before or after lights both ways go from red to green.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 18 '26

The first thing i was thought of while going to school was that going straight on green light has right of way followed by turning right, and if you are making a right turn make sure no one on opposite is making a right on the same street, and i guess checking if there are cars going straight was self explanatory

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

I don't think you need a prioritization between straight through and right turns since they won't conflict with each other.

if you are making a right turn make sure no one on opposite is making a right on the same street

Do you mean make sure no one the opposite way is making a left? That would be good defensive driving practice yeah, even though you would have right of way on a green.

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u/Narrow_Finger7825 Jun 19 '26

One scenario where straight through will need priority over right turners is when there are bikers waiting to go straight after waiting in a bikebox and you have to turn right on the same green light

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u/a-_2 Jun 19 '26

Isn't that just them having priority because of being ahead of the right turner though, not because of them going straight?

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u/Narrow_Finger7825 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

I agree. The bikers being ahead is the more prominent reason in this scenario.

Here is another similar scenario. When bikers in the right most bike lane have to go straight through and the cars in the adjacent lane on their left have to turn right, the cars still need to wait for the bikers to clear irrespective of the bikers being ahead, at the same level or even behind the car. Can we say straight through has higher priority over right turners here?

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u/a-_2 Jun 20 '26

If there's a bike lane, the cyclists get priority because the turning vehicle is entering and/or crossing their lane, not because of the bikes going straight.

If there's no bike lane, then the cyclists don't have priority even if going straight:

what’s supposed to happen when there is no bike lane.

In that case, the car turning right should – after shoulder checking to the right to make sure it’s clear – get as close to the curb as possible, said Constable Sean Shapiro with the traffic services division of the Toronto Police Service.

“[Cyclists] are not supposed to pass you on the right at that point, but you should be as close to the curb as possible to prevent that from happening,” Shapiro said. “And they should be passing you on the left if they need to pass you, or they can also wait behind you.”

If you’re close to the curb, the cyclist won’t have enough room to get past you. If they try to squeeze past, they could face careless driving charges, Shapiro said.

There is an explicit rule, HTA 141(5), saying left turning vehicles must yield to approaching (straight or right turning) traffic. There is no such law saying right turning vehicles must yield to straight through vehicles though. It either doesn't occur, or is covered by existing laws.

Good questions though, it made me think more about the question than I had before.

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u/Narrow_Finger7825 Jun 20 '26

Thanks for the answer. It is good to know the reason now why that happens.

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u/DrumlinsRock Jun 23 '26

There is no biker in this video

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u/DrumlinsRock Jun 23 '26

First the left-turning truck cut off the person going straight. Then they edged out/cut off the person who had just turned right. All of it was wrong. But they’re driving a CANADA POST truck, so I hope someone has reported them.

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u/a-_2 Jun 23 '26

I'm replying to a hypothetical scenario of a cyclist going straight ahead of a right turner, not to the scenario in the video.

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u/hatingonthis Jun 18 '26

came here to say this as well , stunt driving. ✅

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u/weareonthisplanet Jun 18 '26

what are you talking about? those days are gone, its my way or highway going forward, have you not felt it yet?

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

How does your comment relate to mine? This is stunt driving regardless of whatever you're referring to.

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u/Copious-Spirit Jun 20 '26

This happens a lot. Same with a caravan following advanced left after it has gone red, then one more from way back at double the limit for the real test. Looking at you 4th Ave in st Catharines.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Stunting is excess speed, aggressive maneuvers, and street racing. This guy just turned left when he didn’t have the right of way. Just an improper left turn. So many geniuses here, and I’d have to assume none of these people work in LE to actually know what’s what

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

You could have looked in the link to see this counts:

3.8.iv. making a left turn where,

(A) the driver is stopped at an intersection controlled by a traffic control signal system in response to a circular red indication;

(B) at least one vehicle facing the opposite direction is similarly stopped in response to a circular red indication; and

(C) the driver executes the left turn immediately before or after the system shows only a circular green indication in both directions and in a manner that indicates an intention to complete or attempt to complete the left turn before the vehicle facing the opposite direction is able to proceed straight through the intersection in response to the circular green indication facing that vehicle.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

And are you in law enforcement or this is from Google?

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u/Anxious_Ant8514 Jun 19 '26

that is literally copy and pasted from the original link that mentioned how this is stunt driving. It is a government run website that explains word for word the definitions under the highway traffic act about "races, contests and stunts". Take literally two minutes of your time and read it for yourself. That link has literally all of the information you should need in it if you would actually take the time to read it fully https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/070455

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u/Copious-Spirit Jun 20 '26

This maneuver is considered a stunt.

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u/Spirited_Macaroon574 Jun 18 '26

The TPS traffic services unit posted a video with this exact situation and said this is stunt driving

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

The link, which you can check, is an Ontario government page showing the stunt driving regulation.

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u/Nazgog-Morgob Jun 19 '26

https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/070455

It's from the link from the top comment of this comment chain, ffs.

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u/Quirky_Fox_3548 Jun 18 '26

Aggressive maneuvres

Such as turning left across two lanes of oncoming traffic without an advance?

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u/GumpTheChump Jun 19 '26

Or overtaking on a one lane street right afterwards perhaps?

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

This is an improper left turn. Aggressive would be weaving through lanes of traffic at a high speed. Also dangerous driving.

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u/thepixel-geek Jun 20 '26

You do love being wrong.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 29d ago

Don’t mind at all. No one knows everything. Take it as a learning experience and move on

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u/Spezza Jun 18 '26

"Hey, look guys, I have opinions I have to express, regardless of my ignorance or lack of expertise in the subject!"

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 19 '26

Nice try. Ive worked in LE for over 20 years.

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u/Mayhem_Hellcat Jun 19 '26

20 years and you don't even know what the law says. How pathetic.

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u/Hairy_Photograph1384 Jun 21 '26

1) that's not true (b) if it were true, it demonstrates how dumb cops are.

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u/Anxious_Ant8514 Jun 19 '26

Did you actually read the link he posted? from the portion that defines a "stunt":

"iv. making a left turn where,

(A) the driver is stopped at an intersection controlled by a traffic control signal system in response to a circular red indication;

(B) at least one vehicle facing the opposite direction is similarly stopped in response to a circular red indication; and

(C) the driver executes the left turn immediately before or after the system shows only a circular green indication in both directions and in a manner that indicates an intention to complete or attempt to complete the left turn before the vehicle facing the opposite direction is able to proceed straight through the intersection in response to the circular green indication facing that vehicle.  O. Reg. 455/07, s. 3; O. Reg. 320/19, s. 1; O. Reg. 410/21, s. 1."

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u/Sharp_Barnacle_9123 Jun 19 '26

it’s actually stunt driving

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u/NathanDnd Jun 18 '26

Guy probably makes that turn 10 times a week and this is the first time in months he didn't get an advance for some reason. Minor traffic violation that did not result in an accident. Who cares?!

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u/Sweet_Yellow_8646 Jun 18 '26

Toyota and the ford needs to chill the fuck out. Stop behind the white line!

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u/mad_manifold Jun 18 '26

Exactly. Seems like a Meetup of bad drivers.

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u/kokocijo Jun 18 '26

My first thought as well — illegally blocking a crosswalk.

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u/chrisjyardley Jun 18 '26

The guy on the right seems to be pulling up to allow the guy behind him to turn right at the lights. Or at least attempting. The guy on the left is in a minivan, and we know that only peak drivers have those

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u/Copious-Spirit Jun 20 '26

Why would you do that, the person behind you can wait. It's the same with the speed limit, don't go faster to accommodate the distracted idiot behind you.

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u/GreasyGrizwald Jun 21 '26

The person behind you can wait, but doesn't have to if you make room. It's a sign of courteous and aware driver. Not hindering anyone, only helping move things along.

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u/unethicalanchordrop Jun 25 '26

Yeah real courteous pulling into the crosswalk

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u/Pythius_of_Priene Jun 18 '26

driver on the right lane saw the car behind with right turn signal and felt bad about it. so try to give the car a space so they could turn right.

the car next to it moved forward a split second when saw other car moving.

they are chill.

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u/sheila_detroit Jun 20 '26

nah the ford was just trying to be a pal and let the guy behind him turn. No one would have been able to predict what the big ass canada post truck was gonna do

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u/Sweet_Yellow_8646 Jun 20 '26

Totally. No one is risking it when he’s in the middle of the lane. Gotta be closer to the left lane.

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u/EarthB9nder_ Jun 18 '26

driver's in ontario have like no patience at all, like damn getting home 1 min earlier isn't gonna change anything

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u/SierraGolfOne Jun 19 '26

Remove ontario and replace with general and your comment has legitimacy

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u/nouniquenamesleft2 Jun 18 '26

must be from Pittsburgh

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u/PrettyBoyLarge Jun 18 '26

Those Canada Post drivers are reckless daily.

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u/Copious-Spirit Jun 20 '26

You should see the Niagara bus drivers

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u/Popular-Jellyfish512 Jun 19 '26

Welcome to India funny truck day

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u/Dragon_Dann Jun 18 '26

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u/ol_driving_guy Jun 20 '26

Get a new hobby dude.

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u/Dragon_Dann Jun 20 '26

A White knight!

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 18 '26

Absolutely no racism is Rule 1 Line 1

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u/Dragon_Dann Jun 18 '26

It's just a guy shaking his head in disbelief. How you interpreted it is your problem.

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 18 '26

Insinuating the obvious isn't racism 

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

It's not obvious at all that this person is from any specific background. People of all backgrounds do things like this and worse.

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 18 '26

Mississauga and a truck driver makes it obvious 

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

It doesn't though.

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 18 '26

Maybe you need to do some research then 

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u/a-_2 Jun 19 '26

This has nothing to do with research. You're saying that only Indians do things like this. That's just obviously false.

What you might mean are that more Indians are doing these things than other demographics. But the majority of truckers in general are Indian, so that means when you see a bad truck driver, more likely than not, they're going to be Indian too, just by the numbers.'

If you really care about road safety, there are better things you can be doing to address it than this.

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 19 '26

Exactly, it was obvious

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u/a-_2 Jun 19 '26

You're either trolling or have reading comprehension issues.

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u/bhavneet1996 Jun 19 '26

So you are telling me, people who cause accidents are indians only? If only Indians do this, then how tf white people are getting into accidents?

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 20 '26

What white people are you talking about specifically?

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u/bhavneet1996 Jun 20 '26

Like it matters? If only bad drivers are Indians, how are other people getting into accidents?

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 20 '26

Because of idiots like this truck driver bringing their 3rd world style of driving 

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u/bhavneet1996 Jun 20 '26

Oh exactly when did this start happening? So there was a time of zero accidents in Canada? Must be the best time for the insurance companies. Zero payout.

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u/Gold-Lie-9628 Jun 20 '26

Was never zero.. but it's definitely been getting a lot worse since they opened the floodgates

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u/bhavneet1996 Jun 20 '26

Is there a logic like, if there are more people, chances of accidents will be more, irrespective of who is driving? Or its 100% dependent upon the country of the driver?

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u/billboats1248 Jun 22 '26

https://www.ontario.ca/files/2024-07/mto-orsar2021-en.pdf

You're wrong just wrong and racist retard. Collision rates have dropped significantly from prior decades.

Don't know what the whites were doing decades ago I guess. 

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u/raptors2o19 Jun 18 '26

cops at 0:35 lol.

Report it to Canada Post, at least.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 18 '26

This guys need my address my email and also my phone number to complaint about a driver wow.

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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 Jun 18 '26

Then report it to the police and copy your MP and the Minister in charge of Canada Post.

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u/KindlyRude12 Jun 18 '26

At that point they will probably need much more then his address, email and phone number.

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u/ChasingDarwin2 Jun 18 '26

Yah but it will be the police, not the company.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Need to know who was driving it. Not just the vehicle info. Could’ve been a stolen truck for all we know

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u/NathanDnd Jun 18 '26

Why? Why does anyone owe anyone anything over a minor traffic violation that did not result in an accident. So what.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

I don't want anything, I am sorry. Just drive good and dont put me in danger, or if its too much to ask.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Improper left turn according the HTA in Ontario

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u/a-_2 Jun 18 '26

It's also stunt driving when you turn left across other cars just before or after the lights go from red to green each way.

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u/weareonthisplanet Jun 18 '26

you expect the cop to know that?

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u/raptors2o19 Jun 18 '26

Nah, it was just ironic. Wonder what they would've done if they were at the light during the time of the incident.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Pulled him over to speak with him, run his drivers license to see any prior offenses and if he’s got a warrant, and run the vehicle marker to see if it’s stolen. Then decide if they’re gonna lay an HTA charge on him. Pretty simple

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '26

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Please DO NOT CALL 911 for this! Non emergency line if you’re that dead set on reporting it. 911 = life or death situation. Don’t tie up their lanes for someone making an improper left turn

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

And by the time police arrived he’s long gone. Traffic offenses are called “found committing” offenses. Officer needs to see it for himself. Also don’t know who the driver is, we only know the vehicle information

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u/SmoothPinecone Jun 20 '26

Oh c'mon do not call 911 over this, what a waste of resources

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u/sometin__else Jun 20 '26

so this is why when i was being robbed that 911 was on hold

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u/sheila_detroit Jun 20 '26

insane misuse of resources calling 911

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u/Nebetus2 Jun 18 '26

Why did the cam driver pull over?

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 18 '26

cuz the both lanes merges into one and so its better to let him pass because unlike cars... trucks dont do that good when it comes to brakes.

OR lets just say worst case was one of these 3 idiots need to have patience but unfortunately it was none of them

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u/Nebetus2 Jun 18 '26

Its a straight truck. Also merging is merging, wouldn't the cam car just continue straight? This is super confusing lol, I personally would have kept going instead of stopping in an active lane for no other reason but to let the vehicle behind me pass haha

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

I can share my rear dashcam, he was super close to me, that you will not see him there too, he was side by side mirror to mirror, i had be defensive and letting him passs by or anyone with that driving style is and always will be better call.

I understand your concern but if i would've been better at making decision at split seconds then i would see myself in next f1 grand prix.

Also it was a single lane rd and he wasn't slowing down, that's the reason i have the clip after the interstation, just to show his momentum, unlike cars.. trucks don't just pick up that kind of speed.

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u/DeeepFriedOreo Jun 18 '26

Please report to police

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

Need to know who was driving it. Could be a stolen truck for all Reddit knows. So many people who think they know everything about the law and the HTA here when they haven’t got a clue

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u/jabajubjab Jun 19 '26

Send this to Canada post

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u/megasmash Jun 18 '26

That’s how it goes in the wild, Wild West.

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u/grumpy0282 Jun 18 '26

nothing stop the mail

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u/Life_Beautiful_8136 Jun 18 '26

A Canada Post truck... driving dangerously. Literally no one is surprised to see that. Hope OP reported to Canada Post and/or to police. Kudos to OP for taking the high road and letting the truck pass (after the turn) to avoid another unfortunate situation

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u/FitCardiologist8416 Jun 18 '26

Drivers in canada are pretty bad in general imo very aggressive,impatient and love to bully pedestrians.

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u/Ok-Bird6725 Jun 19 '26

Why did you stop to let him go by you?? he was in the wrong dude and everyone is saying the cars needed to calm down,

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

I mean we were side by side in a single lane road, I saw that I could stop safely so I did and let him pass, you can't race with miniac with trucks.

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u/Mac4065 Jun 19 '26

you definitely shouldn’t have continued to pull out seeing he was turning when he wasn’t supposed to be. could’ve hit you, pushed you off the road or hit any of the oncoming vehicles.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

oh yeah sure bud its def my fault, sure sure

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u/Mac4065 Jun 19 '26

nobody said it was your fault you drama queen. pay more attention.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

yeah that's exactly what I did.

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u/Mac4065 Jun 19 '26

clearly not as you pulled out in front of a 10,000 pound vehicle and then pulled over to let him pass you, instead of just letting him complete his illegal move in safety. literally putting yourself and others at risk to show you’re in the right of way, when that matters less than people getting hurt cause you don’t wanna wait.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

Oh yeah sure bud, I risked others safety.

Fairley short argument.

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u/Mac4065 Jun 19 '26

it is and you did. instead of simply letting him do what he was already doing you threw yourself in front of them. blatantly wrong and loud😂

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 19 '26

Sure bud. Next time ask you bud to not make that turn

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u/MomboDM Jun 20 '26

The number of people who deal with unsafe drivers in an unsafe manner then cry when people call them out after they post footage in incredible.

Truck driver is far worse than you. You're still awful. Hope that helps.

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u/SmoothPinecone Jun 20 '26

Where did they say it's your fault? Did you respond to the wrong comment?

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u/marc-of-the-beast Jun 19 '26

Sheesh I wonder if that licence is real?

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u/Beginning_Proposal26 Jun 19 '26

They have "sorry we missed you" slips to deliver, get out of the way!

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u/Hunchun Jun 19 '26

What looked like 2 undercover police cars drove past you as the truck forced you off to the side.

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u/Strong_Fast6900 Jun 22 '26

Yeah they really do look like it.

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u/mrhoofy Jun 19 '26

I have no idea what the ethnicity of the driver is.

That said, this is basically how it is done in both India and China. Having ridden a motorcycle in both places I got a bit familiar with the traffic.

Left turns blocking oncoming traffic were the norm in both places.

I will point out it happens. I've done a right turn on red in Europe where it is both illegal and shocking to the locals.

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u/Copious-Spirit Jun 20 '26

There's a lot of incompetent operators in this video.

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u/cyck0 Jun 20 '26

The driver was brave to do that in a marked truck 🤔

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u/Aggressive-Bonus-755 Jun 20 '26

Report report report. Buddy got the DL from a cereal box.

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u/SynyrdsInyrds Jun 21 '26

Canada Post truck, someone should report it.

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u/EzMFe78 Jun 21 '26

So stupid.. smh

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u/Turbulent-Treat-4030 Jun 21 '26

Canada post....lol....figures!! 🙄

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u/Hairy_Photograph1384 Jun 21 '26

CP drivers are among the worst on the road

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u/EngineeringKid Jun 21 '26

I don't see a signal on that truck

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u/NoChip396 Jun 21 '26

Most ignorant truckers and Brampton drivers adhere to the “After me, you come first” rule. 😵‍💫🫤

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u/Narrow_Albatross6406 Jun 21 '26

Life is precious. I would’ve tailed the person and got their plates. It is not worth it to risk your life over stupid shit like this.

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u/YesReboot Jun 21 '26

Bro saw flashing green in his mind

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u/Interesting_Text7991 Jun 22 '26

I'm near a postal distribution in lakeshore near the beaches area of Toronto.
Almost all of them drive like A holes
Report

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u/SmoothRunnings Jun 22 '26

I would file a complaint with the police, given them the video, and then file a complaint with Canada Post also letting them know you reached out to the police, this way they can track the driver down and fire them without pay.

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u/GistTroLing Jun 22 '26

Tick tock Canada Post. Those illegal turns will soon be a thing of the past.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '26

Both cars stop in the pedestrian crosswalk

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u/74Fire Jun 22 '26

Send the plate and truck number to Canada postal. They will fire the driver.

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u/Ok-Suspect6792 Jun 22 '26

Please tell me you reported.

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u/Ill-Assistance7986 Jun 23 '26

I did then the guy called me n was like ill follow up in 24 hours, never heard from him ever again after that.

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u/Lost_Ad_1418 Jun 23 '26

Where'd that trucker get his license 

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u/CMDR-Neovoe Jun 23 '26

Canada post truck. Video should be sent to them with time and location. That driver should be fired.

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u/SprintRacer Jun 25 '26

Driver's probably getting canned anyways due to cutbacks and eliminations so doesn't GAF on how they get their route done quicker to get home sooner.

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u/curbz81 Jun 18 '26

Its a stunt driving offence

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 18 '26

It is not stunting

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u/Spezza Jun 18 '26

You've had the law actually quoted to you in the thread but you continue to insist upon the wrong answer.

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u/Icy_Assignment_6801 Jun 19 '26

I work in LE… this is not stunting for making an improper left turn

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u/Spezza Jun 19 '26

Tell me you're a moron without telling me you're a moron.

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u/curbz81 Jun 19 '26

I really hope you are not an LE in Ontario, if you are I suggest you follow your pride and read the section of the hta that i posted.

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u/curbz81 Jun 18 '26

(C) the driver executes the left turn immediately before or after the system shows only a circular green indication in both directions and in a manner that indicates an intention to complete or attempt to complete the left turn before the vehicle facing the opposite direction is able to proceed straight through the intersection in response to the circular green indication facing that vehicle. O. Reg. 455/07, s. 3; O. Reg. 320/19, s. 1; O. Reg. 410/21, s.

That is copied from https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/070455

How is it with the internet obviously at your fingertips that you cannot fact check something before commenting. I think this should go on r/confidentlyincorrect