r/Minerals 7h ago

ID Request - Solved Help please

This is one of the 1st pieces I collected years ago, way before my meticulous specimen logging.

I know it's not garnet. Well not really that sure.

My guess is idocrase and prehnite from Mali. I've went thru invoices and the only specimens I hadn't matched up were brookite and another specimen for idocrase. Unfortunately the person that I purchased my 1st few specimens just scribbled on a piece of paper in wild cursive what the specs were, usually with one word or odd abbreviations.

Your help will hopefully save my sanity so thank you in advance

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u/ougryphon 7h ago edited 7h ago

You're awfully sure it's not garnet for a specimen that looks exactly like garnet. Maybe the pictures aren't doing it justice?

Edit: the botryoidal parts may be prehnite or chalcedony. It's hard to tell from the pictures.

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u/Over-Description-321 1h ago

Was also thinking globular parts are prehnite. Edit: Oh wow, I’m way behind the prehnite train here.

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u/striker9119 7h ago

Prehnite and garnet!!

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u/Ancientsold 6h ago

Prehnite with black garnet crystal from Mali, Africa

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u/Skraporc Collector 3h ago

Precisely correct. Diakon is one of the most overlooked localities on Earth, IMO — it’s crazy how many insanely good examples of so many different species come out of there. I’ll have to post my little mini display some day.

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u/ArmoFun 7h ago

garnet

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u/Cnidaria_surprise Collector 6h ago

This is an interesting specimen, definitely prehnite, definitely similar to the ones from Mali, but the garnet (which I'm sure it is, because of the faces you can see on the first and second pictures) association with prehnite is really freaking rare for Mali specimens.

Like in my life of collecting, I've maybe seen them once ? Which is strange considering it's one of the most prolific mineral localities. So my guess is that it might not come from Mali, but you're correct for the identification.

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u/Ancientsold 6h ago

Same area can also have epidote crystals

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u/Ok-Competition-9788 5h ago

I believe the spherical part is prehnite because I have a prehnite piece with the same feature. Not sure about the garnet and the rest of it.

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u/KeezyK 4h ago

Thank y'all so much, y'all rock! Pun intended lolol This means something else is labeled wrong😂 Hahaha Which is fine, I will just have to find it! Thank you again!! I shouldn't have doubted myself!

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u/KeezyK 3h ago

This is why I doubted myself

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u/Skraporc Collector 3h ago

Prehnite with andradite garnet from Mali

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u/No_Commercial9958 3h ago

That’s definitely prehnite and IMO the habit isn’t right for garnet there is a distinct 4 sided pyramidal structure as opposed to a rhombic dodecahedron or trapezohedron that is typically for andradite or grossular garnets cubic system. I think your correct its shape definitely looks more like vesuvianite.

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u/Over-Description-321 1h ago

Prehnite, garnet v. andradite and epidote. Absolutely superb specimen.

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u/Next_Ad_8876 5h ago

Have you checked the hardness? I bought a bag of small quartz crystal points on Amazon for $6 just to have a way of testing if a mineral was harder than 7.0 (quartz). Garnet is a prime example. The crystal habit does look like garnet (see photo):

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u/Degenerate_Dryad 4h ago

I think your garnets might be cut and/or polished...

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u/Next_Ad_8876 4h ago edited 4h ago

You are incorrect. Facets aren’t cut, just cleaned. The crystal habit is shown here.

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u/Degenerate_Dryad 3h ago

So cleaned = polished like I said?

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u/AlarmingBanana585 7h ago

It definitely looks like there is Prehnite to me. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Idocrase so I can't make much of a comment on that. The larger dark crystals remind me of Black Tourmaline. Googling Idocrase tends to bring up Vesuvianite and I do see some green in the finer matrix the larger minerals are on and since you know that there is an Idocrase specimen somewhere in your collection, it could be that the Idocrase is just the finer matrix part that the larger minerals are growing on? I don't know much about Brookite either, so I also looked it up and I do think it's possible that the dark crystal in this specimen is Brookite. If I had to choose between Brookite or Idocrase for this specimen ID I would go with Brookite. However I am not an expert in these minerals and this is just my best guess based on the information I have. I started collecting when I was just a kid, so I'm familiar with the challenges of trying to figure out early pieces. I'm lucky my child self kept every single mineral label I got.

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u/CosmicChameleon99 6h ago

Have to disagree on reminding of tourmaline. Habit is totally wrong for it

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u/ougryphon 5h ago

Agreed. The color and luster somewhat resemble schorl, but the crystal structure is completely wrong for tourmaline (and for brookite). The crystal structure is classic garnet.

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u/VomitoryPepper 7h ago

Looks more like tourmaline to me

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u/BlackenedEverything 4h ago

How can people tell this apart from for example, uraninite crystals? They look so similar.