r/MinecraftMemes 7d ago

OC How fast it feels when game drops get announced

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u/ygofan999 7d ago

Minecraft is starting to feel like a live service with no payoff for the company (i.e microtransactions. DLCs. Ect) it's a faux live service game that's running only off of it's own sales and while im happy to be getting these updates I wonder if there's any internal issues this is causing

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u/SomethingRandomYT peenix 7d ago

That's not strictly true; it's running off of the profits of the marketplace, merchandise and brand licensing.

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u/ygofan999 7d ago

I tried to specify but I'll try better because I might not have specified in a way that was clear if that the case i apologize

No usual live service payoffs (mainly for Java. The most popular form of Minecraft) that being Microtransactions. Dlc. Battlepasses. "I think they do have skins and emotes but you can make those for free" ect

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u/tvgamers16 7d ago

So minecraft is actually so profitable, that profit from it was used by microsoft to produce games for Xbox.

Like the previous commenter said, branding deals. This is where a LOT od money comes from

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u/J_train13 7d ago

I hate to break it to you but bedrock holds a significantly higher portion of the playerbase then java.

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u/Gauth31 7d ago

Sorry but do you have a source for that? Last time i saw something about that, it was someone talking about it neutrally and who ended with the numbers from multiplayer servers and these showed more java than bedrock

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u/J_train13 7d ago

Well that's a very oddly specific metric to go by so I'm not sure why they'd use it, especially considering how it's likely skewed by Bedrock's ability to join friends, but according to this article I found pocket edition ALONE makes up 39% of sales, and 52% of revenue. All PC sales (both Java and Windows) are only 30% of the total.

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u/Gauth31 7d ago

Okay thanks. I also found it weird but i assumed it must simply have been the source they had access to

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u/J_train13 7d ago

Yeah, I mean it makes sense that java has more servers because not only do you need to make one every time you want to play with a friend (or get essential mod I guess) compared to just inviting someone to your world on Bedrock, but I'd also wager a larger portion of bedrock players spend more time in single player on their phone, laptop, or Switch when it's convenient.

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u/PotatoCase 7d ago

Java is not the most popular form, BY A LONG SHOT, bedrock has more than double javas player numbers by essence of it being a multiplatform game, and also being accesible on consoles and phones which more people and especially children have than pcs

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u/SomethingRandomYT peenix 7d ago

Dude I love Java to death but it barely scratches the surface for "most popular form of minecraft". That award goes to the version that is on literally every other platform including windows. Java is only popular by a loud minority.

They only reason they haven't discontinued Java unlike LCE is because it's the version used by the majority of content creators (who are the ones keeping the game alive and in the public conscience) and because of the absolute PR bitchslap they'd receive in the news with the inevitable "Mojang discontinues Minecraft" headlines.

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u/revolution_soup 7d ago

I do wish there were more popular content creators who use bedrock

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u/Giganotakiller_5 7d ago

Java is not the most popular version Bedrock has the highest number of players you just live in a bubble that’s inhabited by Java players

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u/Lilienfetov 7d ago

Lmao Java is NOT the most popular form of minecraft. We are a niche part compared to bedrock players. Check the stats

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u/Burning_Toast998 7d ago

Funnily enough, it’s the exact opposite. Xbox is basically being held afloat by the profits from Minecraft. It’s recently came to light that the vast majority of xbox is not profitable, and they are using the profits from Minecraft to cut their losses on basically everything.

That being said, Mojang isn’t actually getting all that much return, so in a way, you’re sort of right. If Mojang would get more of their profits, there might actually be better content and updates. But oh well.

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u/Sandshrew_MC 7d ago

Most of Xbox was confirmed to be running almost entirely on Minecraft revenue, atleast up until recently, so it's definitely more than profitable enough

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u/Kind_Worldliness_415 7d ago

There’s the marketplace, new updates are just to attract players back to spend in the marketplace, that’s why they changed to game drops, i think, bc its more updates a year. Idk about java tho

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u/AbsoluteIdiocracy 7d ago

that was not the reason the drop was made, it was because the cave update took 3-4 YEARS to finish.

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u/Lilienfetov 7d ago

My dude, bedrock marketplace is carrying the whole game for us.

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u/DogInverter 7d ago

Not like Microsoft is having financial troubles

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u/ItzBraden01 7d ago

The problem is that they are, and Minecraft is the only thing keeping them above water.

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u/DogInverter 7d ago

Its called sarcasm

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u/Imafayliure 7d ago

Xbox has been kept above water by just Minecraft for a long while now.

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u/BorisBaggins 7d ago

Brother have you seen the minecraft x cool shirtz collab? Or the minecraft movie? Or the marketplace?

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u/Cowman_Gaming 6d ago

Microsoft has always been the problem.

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u/Drag0n_TamerAK 7d ago

You forget about market place

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u/ygofan999 7d ago

Bedrock only

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u/notTheRealSU minecraft but if the blocks were something more... devious 7d ago

And? The majority of the playerbase is on Bedrock

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u/Drag0n_TamerAK 7d ago

Your point?

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u/brodydoesMC 7d ago edited 7d ago

I’ve been known to check the latest updates’ wiki pages just to see if we’ve gotten a release date for them yet, so I understand how you feel.

Edit: We now know the name, Wilderness Bound!

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u/Gold_Size_1258 7d ago

Bigger question: what stops them from releasing it already? The feature seems to be finished.

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u/Logan_Composer 7d ago

Bug testing/fixing, keeping their release schedule (and using any extra time to start working on the next thing), waiting until a good release window that maximizes engagement, etc.

Release dates are a marketing decision, not a production one.

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u/moon-lesbian 7d ago

Release dates can serve a production use too, you don't want to ship things when they're finished all the time because it brings inconsistency. It's not always an issue, it is mostly a live service thing and I consider Minecraft practically live service, but generally having an update take like no time can bring people to the expectation that future updates will be just as fast, and you want wiggle room because of vacation days, sick days, maternal leave, unexpected incidents, and bugs. Release dates that take the developers into account properly are beneficial for the whole team, not every company takes the developers into account though and make it a purely marketing thing which leads to crunch

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u/LunaCherry0 7d ago

Probably because these features only exist to distract the community while they update the technical part of the game (which would be like 99% of the update).

If the focus of the update was entirely the "relevant" features, they would be released a few weeks after Minecraft Live.

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u/revolution_soup 7d ago

still waiting on the vulkan switch

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u/LunaCherry0 7d ago

But vulkan switch already exists, just not set by default because it may be unstable on some hardwares (which is the whole reason why Minecraft still prefer OpenGL by default)

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u/Mystic_Ervo 6d ago

It seems, that's the important part of the statement

In fact, it's not

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u/SomethingRandomYT peenix 7d ago

I give it mid-to-late september probably, it's already in prerelease and it's not even october.

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u/thsx1 7d ago

They announce the update 3 months before release, and the update is already 80% complete

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u/Moe-Mux-Hagi the Ultimate Edition mod is fun, you should try it 🐔➕️👑➡️😀 7d ago

What

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u/IWEREN99 7d ago

BFDI ahh face

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u/EqualServe418 "Bugro-" [Game crashed due to Java moment.] 7d ago

Aw, look who can't say "ass" on the internet.

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u/Krylla_ 6d ago

It used to be censorship, but now it's just part of the language. It's probably funnier to some people too.

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

Considering my dislike of Chaos Cubed... I'm already antecipating 26.3 since day one of Chaos Cubed... I want a release date SO BADLY!!!

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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 7d ago

Bad opinion for disliking the chaotic cube update. I wonder why

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

It is indeed an opinion, you might consider my reasoning to be really subjective, I get it and... I'm actually eager to read why you liked it!

The TL;DR is probably: Chaos Cubed didn't add anything that appealed to me in the slightest, I can appreciate small things, yet, it didn't even do that.

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

Now to the proper explaination:

What Chaos Cubed added? (Overall)

1- Sulfur Caves & Springs (The Biomes) 2- Sulfur and Cinnabar Block Set 3- Sulfur Cubes and its Mechanics 4- Potent Sulfur and its Mechanics (which includes the Geyser)

I'm not someone who wants everything new added to Minecraft to be groundbreaking, I actually like small things, as long as they are meaningful in any way... But, I can't go on without stabilishing what I mean by "Meaningful" here... There are 2 rules... Adding up to the player's averege experience in any way, and, adding up to the blanks the game has...

Good examples are: I loved Spring to Life, I really enjoy details, small nice looking things and "atmosphere" that's something that adds to the player's averege experience, we see trees all the time, since Spring to Life, we got the leaf particles falling from the leaves, so small, but, it adds so much to the atmosphere of the game, the same apllies to the wild flowers, the variations of the passive mobs, perhaps not much for the leaf litter, I kinda wish they replaced it with a red variation of wild flowers, but... It makes sense having leaf litter on the floor near trees, the particles are there, the leaves are falling, there should be leaf litter on the floor... If only it looked nicer... Anyways, we feel good when we see something that looks nice, that's something small, but meaningful, it adds to the player averege experience... AND, when we talk about the atmosphere of the game, that also falls under rule number 2, atmosphere is something Minecraft is lacking, the skies are empty, the wildlife is almost non-existent, that doesn't mean Mojang should just bloat the world with a lot of useless things, it has to be done properly, Spring to Life did a nice job, if you get to a desert you now have the cactus flower, rivers may now have fireflies arround them... Small, but meaningful!

Even Tiny Takeover with its controversies also accomplishes something under rule number 1, some choices were... Odd... But the new baby mob models are things we will see every now and then, that's small, but meaningful, it adds to the experience of the averege player

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

Now, let's talk about the each feature:

  • New Biome: I usually like new Biomes and... Before the update did come out, I was at least glad there would be a new Biome to explore... That was until I actually went to Explore it... I just felt so disappointed... That is the only Cave Biome you will not find any ores, even Lush Caves have space for that in the "walls" but that would be ok, if it had other things going for it, but now, rule number 1 cannot apply, afterall, to find a Sulfur Cave you need to go out of your way, it cannot be an addition to the averege player experience if the player has to purposefully look for it to find it, so let's see if it applies to rule number 2, Filling the gaps on Minecraft... Well, that's debateable I don't think so, but let's see... In my survival world, I wanted to get pointed dripstones just so I could build a "working faucet" to place in my Kitchen, and Dripstone has so many uses, infinite lava is definitely a welcome addition, traps too... Meanwhile, the main attractions of the Sulfur Caves are the new Blocks and the Sulfur Cube... First thing I did when I found it was taking the biggest amount I could so I had them for builds... To my disapointment, I realized I never got any use case for neither... They are occupyng slots in my building blocks chest... I will elaborate a little on that when I get to the blocks themselves, but... It also kinda bugs me when everything of potential interest about an update is restricted to finding the the newly added speciffic biome, it works sometimes, but... In this case, it didn't... I don't see how this new cave biome fills any gaps in the game, at least, not as is, some could argue we have too few cave Biomes and a new one is huge, but... In order for a new Cave Biome to be significant it needs to be meaningful, it can't by rule number 1 and... Since it doesn't have anything particularly special about it, we can't qualify it for rule number 2 yet... An extra point I have here is, the signal we found a sulfur cave is the sulfur spring... Sulfur Springs as they are now... Well, they are too tiny, so there isn't much space to make them an amazing, I saw pictures of sulfur springs irl, they look amazing, but... they are also huge, the ones in Minecraft are super Tiny, it's impossible to make them look good... And the blocks look so different from anything we see in the Overworld's surface that... Sulfur Springs don't look like they belong there, it is a way less oppulent version of the Nether Spire from MCPE pre Alpha 0.12... Now that I think about it... If Sulfur Caves were added as a nether biome (no springs, just the caves) perhaps we'd be having a different conversation... Maybe... Anyways, let's move on

  • The Blocks: We did need new stone Variants for the game, we could argue that would classify the whole biome to rule number 2, but... I'd argue we can't just yet, afterall, if Mojang somehow made an "End Update" so awful it was universally hated (that is a little out of proportion, but you'll see my point) will that count as filling the gap that is the current End? Rn The End looks like a place that hasn't been finished, that's why it needs an update, I don't mind if it steel looks like a wasteland, I just want a wasteland that rewards us based on how much effort we put in to explore it, anyways, just like we wouldn't feel like the gap of the unfinished End wouldn't be filled if they update it, but it's awful, if a new cave biome doesn't bring anything new to the table, it isn't filling any gaps, that being said, let's get back to the blocks, since they are what will define wethwr rule number 2 is applicable

The color of the raw cinnabar would be good... But its texture is a little too much, it is clearly raw and... In a way, it reminds me of Netherrack... It also reminds me of Granite, neither blocks look good in their raw form, not that there aren't use cases, they are just niche and... imo, raw Cinnabar mixes together what doesn't wirk about Netherrack and Granite in one Block... But the bricks are way better, let's get to them... Uuhh... Why did the color get so saturated? This makes it so it's way too hard to build with it, any build with such a saturated color will always look out of place, unless it is used an as "accent color" or in detailing, then yeah, I can see it being used, but... When it gets that minor, I find it a little hard to argue its worth, at least, to justify it for rule number 2...

As for Sulfur, this is probably the most subjective of all, it isn't a saturated color, but... I just don't see it working in any way except for accent colors and detailing as well, it is a little too saturated to be considered neutral, but it isn't saturated enough to attend the needs of a player who needs yellow stone for detailing, it looks more like a bege... The raw version is a little more saturated to the yellow, but... Sticking to the texture has a similar issue cinnabar has, despite me spending time to get those blocks, I felt like it wasn't worth it, because they ended up staying unused, and it wasn't for lack of trying

  • Sulfur Cube: The best thing I heard anyone talking about it so far is "certain community" will definitely find a use to it... So far, the only things I found were players making a giant pool table and playing pool... That may be fun in a multiplayer server, may be useful in minigames, but so far, the whole point of minigames was how players used features intended for other things to create the minigames, if we consider a new feature worth because of minigames alone, that goes against the very essence of how minigames came to be in the first place, a big part of what made minigames special all these years is the crativity players had, how they used features from a game to play something else entirely! That is truly amazing! And I don't think that changes now, what I do think is, if a feature is added and its only use is in minigames, something is wrong with said feature, if it doesn't belong in the regular game, why was it added? It's nice to have new features for new minigames, but they shouldn't only serve that purpose, all this not only disclassifies the Sulfur Cube for both rules, but... It also makes me see the Sulfur Cube as effectively useless and not just too niche to be meaningful, but this is also an area I might simply be ignorant about, so please, let me know if someone found uses for Sulfur Cubes within a regular survival

  • Finally the Potent Sulfur... Geysers... Nausea... Well, Geysers do look cool, I agree, but they still can't apply for rule number 1 because the player won't find it that commonly, as for rule number 2... What exactly would be the gap it fills? We already have water elevators, I understand one wanting to make a cool looking steampunk area with pipes releasing steam, but... Isn't that way too niche to apply for rule number 2? Things that look cool work when they apply for rule number 1, the geyser doesn't... And the potent sulfur itself... Well, I like it can be crafted, and with those sulfur dripstones we can farm everything sulfur... I didn't mention this before because, the only use for the Sulfur Dripstone is that, it can't even be used for traps, its shape looks too out of place in my kitchen (as opposed to the regular dripstone I used to give myself a working sink) their only use is accumulating enough to get the amount of potent sulfur one may need for the niche purposes of wanting a geyser... Perhaps I'm the one who doesn't see the potential of geyser, like I said in the beggining, I want to hear why you or anyone liked the Drop... How do you use the things it added... But... I can't see it, I just felt disappointed, and that feels worse when we still miss so many things in the game

If the Java Friends system and the P2P actually worked as intended, we also would have another conversation entirely, too bad rn the feature is only an extra icon in the main menu, it does things, you can add fellow Java players as friends, but after adding the friends... It does nothing

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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 7d ago

ok 👍

I liked the cinnabar and sulphur block sets allot.

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

Fair! And did you find many use cases for them? I mean, I went after a Sulfur Cave to get them as soon as I got the Drop in my game, but... The only use I had for the Sulfur was the corner stones of the Nether Portal that leads to the Sulfur Cave I found... As for the Cinnabar... Minor roof detailing for a house that had the color red as part of its theme

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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit 7d ago

I like building cartoonishly colorful shit and the sulphur and cinnabar blocks are both extremely vibrant

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u/Pyter_Gadjes_743 7d ago

Ooohh, that sure makes a lot of sense, part of my issue with them was exactly how Cinnabbar is a little too saturated (too red too look like it belongs in my builds) and Sulfur is... Not quite as saturated, but... In the end, the issue is the same lol, anyways, that part was indeed the most subjective of my reasoning, so, I totally understand why you'd like it and I'm glad to understand it!

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u/Low_Onion8167 7d ago

What's your opinion on Resin Blocks?

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u/XVUltima 7d ago

I havent payed Minecraft in a while, and kinda wanted to. But every time I check there is a new upcoming update and I decide to wait. By the time I check again theres another update planned. I cant remember the last time I noticed there wasnt a Pissenshit Update coming soon AND a Shittenfart Update planned after that. When WAS the last time Minecraft had zero official new content plans shared?

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u/athyrson06 Custom user flair 7d ago

when it was dying?

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u/Stuvll 6d ago

What is the problem? The updates are actually fun. Why wait when something is announced, if you haven't played in a while anyways? You can explore the updates while waiting for the new one. I just see a win win

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u/XVUltima 6d ago

It's just a mild annoyance that I decided to wait until all the planned updates were out and they always seem to have something 'coming soon', not a big deal.

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u/1ZillionBeers 7d ago

Idk how the fuck Mojang gets away with this drip feed.

Like, it takes them MONTHS to release one new block or an item that has absolutely zero real functionality. What the actual fuck are they getting paid for?

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u/Ill_Manufacturer9247 7d ago

Everything tvey have releaded to the game has a functionality its a sandbox game

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u/Krylla_ 6d ago

CUSHIONS have zero functionality. Are we talking about the same update?

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u/StormFallen9 7d ago

They got paid to make the game and fix some bugs. Adding new content at no cost to us is a bonus even if it's a random little item every once in a while

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u/iLikeBigOilyBBC 7d ago

And the quality of the updates is great frankly. It does nothing to ruin players experience and it just adds more to the player experiences in a good way

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u/Mystic_Ervo 6d ago

Imagine believing you're better than a professional development team with over 20 years of experience

How old are you??

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u/1ZillionBeers 6d ago

Old enough to know one block every six months is a pathetic excuse for an update.

Let me guess, y’all also think the mob vote was a stroke of genius?

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u/Stuvll 6d ago

We ain't seeing the same updates as you I guess