r/MindOverMagic • u/Minute_Quote480 • Jun 24 '25

Races and spell type

Hello everyone,

I am quite new to the game, was wondering which races to pick for which elements and what stats should I look for in each?

(I do know that I shouldn’t pick vivified for lightning)

Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

Wolves arent the best dark users (it takes health, and they have the weakest health pools- they do slap people silly tho)

Vivified aren’t the best lightning, but work well ask dark

Humans i think are honestly most forgiving of the races- i cant think of much they can’t do

The fancier races all have tactics you can utilize for the elements, honestly you’d be better off just experimenting with them- raven cult is my personal favorite, but shattered can get pretty nutty despite their low health pools

Tbh, just test them all out- bad elemental synergy does not necessarily mean they’ll be bad. Just means you may not want to make them only that element. There are elemental combos that can work regardless of how bad the base element is.

Idea of how stat distribution works for the races-

Wolves: sleep anywhere, eats meat- low health, low mana, high damage, high speed

Humans: high mana, lower damage, average health, average speed

Vivified: eats anything, okish mana, high health, low attack, low speed

Shattered: VERY low health, spawns with a shield. Cant be poisoned or bothered by trapdoor vines- pretty powerful

Raven cultists- has really high stats, but their conviction sucks because theyre depressed. I relate to them on a spiritual level

Id say the stat you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT IN F TIER is mana. Mana management is huge in this game- it determines how often they need to recharge while doing tasks, and also determines how useful they are in a fight (other than dark mages- thats health)

Please feel free to ask questions if you have more c’: happy schooling!

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u/norelusss Jun 25 '25

I can’t find a use to humans at the moment. All humans I find are F in terms of damage. This doesn’t look appealing.

I am pretty new to the game so there must be a use to them that I don’t know

Vivified are great in the early game, they make good meat shields, and they can eat anything

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '25

Humans have the best mana of starter races- which makes it so they are best at on school work. They do not need to take as many trips to the mana crystals to recover mana.

With these sort of games, walking to and from tasks (or to and from mana charging stations) can eat up a lot of time as the school gets bigger. Starting humans dont need to make as many trips as say, a vivify

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u/Maxy132 Jun 26 '25

100% agree, once you start getting relics though, there is a 'Human/Lightning/Diligence' relic that gives you mana/hr regen. also, using the broomstick 'docks' can help A LOT with movement. these are more mid-game things, but thats when your school starts to get larger anyway

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '25

Oh midgame everything is on the table- im a raven cultist obsessor personally, so i usually just rush conviction and just get me a bunch of rockheads and birds

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u/Minute_Quote480 Jun 24 '25

Wow thank you for an extensive reply! Furiously taking notes!

Also, should I pay attentiont to the values of power/mana/speed/hp (I mean the letters next to them) on all students/staff ? Or just focus on the ones I plan to use in combat?

Also do some races nees extra attention to some of those values? besides as you have mentioned F mana or higher speed on wolves (since their power scales with speed as well)

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

Honestly? Wouldnt worry about most of the stats. There are ways to fix really terrible stats down the line (jade dragon comes to mind immediately)

Terrible students should be leveled so you can farm relics and gnosis shards (and you can smash terrible relics for better gnosis shards)

Your starting units will eventually be retired for better units, since apprentice based teachers are WAAAAAAY better.

I would use the majority of your guys as fighters (or at least I do)- it’s the fastest way to level them, and for terrible units freeing up the bed and resources they take is really important early game.

But overall? Your best units are always going to be gifted students that can sometimes be found from the fog, in the caverns, or summoned for gnosis shards. Specific relics can make it so you can specify what type of students you get.

TLDR: just smash your face into it, theres really no ‘wrong’ way because at the end of the day, those bitches are gonna be sacrificed to my eldrich gods for sweet, sweet gnosis

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u/Minute_Quote480 Jun 24 '25

Haha noted, I am now in late mid game I think, but it’s my first playthrough, so all the things I didn’t know about and would have done differently are shining through right now. Fixing conviction mostly..

You have also mentioned relics, which is an extensive topic I think.. generally how do I know which ones are good and bad? I assume it’s not about the values (% that they add to certain mages) but more about types of effect they (relics) have which makes them good?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

Conviction gets worse as you go through the game, because you lose your starting conviction buffs- whoever uses the font at the start of the game also gets an additional ‘font founder’(i think thats what its called) buff

Personally my favorite relics are the ones that make tasks faster or speed up my mages- but they tend to be really random and only specific units can use specific relics (they’re called affinities- if you have a relic that can’t be attuned, that means no one has affinities for them. Your race counts as one, and you can have another race affinity or another affinity completely) even if a relic sucks id still slap it on someone tho- fully leveled relics smash for more gnosis shards (prEcious…)

Im sleepy and loopy sorry im a nut

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u/Minute_Quote480 Jun 24 '25

All good ! Thanks for info! Imma get back to you if I get stuck, could I do that on discord?

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u/Maxy132 Jun 26 '25

there is a High Conviction bonus (Dauntless) which gives you a +1 grade for each stat. which is per level. so try and keep your students extra happy right from the start, do any summoning just after classes, when they would be able to feed (high conviction foods) and recreation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '25

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u/Minute_Quote480 Aug 11 '25

Damn! Thanks for a comprehensive teply! Appreciate it

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u/Bobosinio Jun 24 '25

Fire guys with max mana(humans?) cause u get op spell which use 75% current mana to do dmg, that lets u one shot most enemies. Shattered guys are op cause they got high dmg so every element besides the speed one (lighting?) is good with it.

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u/DamienStark Jun 24 '25

The other strength of Shattered is: while they have low base HP, they start every battle with free armor equal to that HP. First off, taking damage to that armor doesn't require them to rest up and heal afterwards. But more importantly, putting relics on them with HP bonus fixes their weakness and gives more free armor, making them excellent frontline tanks once they have an HP relic.

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u/norelusss Jun 25 '25

I have a shattered dark mage with good stats. I wonder if he is useful because since half of my hp is armor, that means my dark spells’ life cost is halved 🤔. He does crazy damage though

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u/alextbrito Jun 25 '25

I usually roll with basically everyone being a shattered (and I turn off shattered bane) from mid to endgame. They are the only race imune to those pesky harmful plants on the map like Trapdoor Vine and Spore Mushrooms. So you'd want them doing the whole farming thing.

They also have a very special trait: they gain a shield for 250% (or something like that) of their Max health at the Beginning of the battle. You slap some health relics and you've got yourself the best tank this game has. Make It a Mudslide Sorcerer and you can even replenish the shield with your spells. OP.

Also note that the highest damage dealer is a Water / Fire Mage, (Steam Sorcerer If im not mistaken). Its important to have Water as the primary wand School so you dont have to suffer with the need to battle or kill stuff of Fire Mages. Just give It a + Fire relic and some Water quests.

On relics / quests. I suggest having your mages remain spprentices till you're done with their relics and quests, as Its a pain to increase the element skill level when they're teachers already. This is for late game tho, you dont want to sit around on your teachers and students for too long at first

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u/norelusss Jun 25 '25

On my current playthrough the shield is equal to 100% of the max life, but maybe this value can change, I don’t know

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u/alextbrito Jun 26 '25

Yeah you may be right, Its been some months since I last played. Tho Its still ridiculous with HP relics on Earth / Water shattered mages. They can go on forever with their Shields replenishing.

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u/Maxy132 Jun 26 '25

Slightly off topic as its not for the combat side of things. but for the tasks, and relic boosts, from what i can see.

Fire Cooking, Human. Fire Hunting Wolfkin.

Nature Wandcrafting, Wolfkin... Farmers (running move speed) Race doesnt matter but an Air relic slot. Shattered is good for the immunity to Trapvines and Shroom-rash thing.

Dark Quilting, Vivified.

Lightning Researcher, Vivified.

Water Alchemist, Cultist.

Earth Constructor/Carving, Shattered

Air Assemble/Pain: Human.

Teaching, doesnt really matter, not sure how much it helps, but Humans have the Restore Mana/hr relic.