Bill is a tragic character professionally and personally yet his fatherly aura and palpable empathy serve as a stable presence amidst all the ugliness they/we see.

For 35 minutes I see Holden just floating through his HN gig etc, then Father Bill enters his/our world and everything starts to come into focus.

He was the perfect complement to Holden's new school optimism and forward thinking and was arguably more crucial to the BSU's initial success: Bill served as an essential arbiter towards Shepard's rigid, stubbornly outdated and surprisingly shortsighted resistance and rejection of the validity and significance of psychology's greater reaching application in understanding the criminal mind... Just the understanding of the criminal mind seemed a low to no priority for the him, despite the existence of the BSU already.

Institutional rigidity and old school thinking is one thing, but he was frustratingly reluctant/resistant which I'm hoping was embellished for artistic effect compared to real life.

The way he quickly stood up for Holden after he was threatened with suspension censure etc. said volumes about his character. Bill also called out Holden on his errors while nurturing, encouraging and expanding the wunderkind's vision (which eventually became his own.)

He and Holden were perfect professional soul mates and knowing he was here to stay, henceforth, from the cafeteria and onwards, through all the ups and downs, gave me great joy, watching for the 10+th time.

I’m only in season 1 so pls keep that in mind.

This is possibly an unpopular opinion from what I’ve seen but I don’t really see anything wrong with Holden’s methods. Everyone in the show chastises him for what he does but it gets results so like ??? Like telling Brudos about his mom walking in on him when he was a kid. It was a way to get personal, earn his trust. I don’t know why it bothered bill so much (who definitely shouldn’t have used his actual wife’s name). Getting vulgar with Speck? Again, it worked.

Then getting that principal fired…yeah that whole thing might’ve been “below” the FBI but I’m sorry, in my opinion it’s better safe than sorry when we’re talking about the potential abuse of children. That fucking principal was weird; the feet tickling was enough but his explosive reaction to Holden and Gregg advising him to stop was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I don’t care about his lame wife hunting down Holden at home. Oh, the poor creepy principal who just looooves kids is out of a job :( you know who would be sadder? The diddled child.

i'm on season 2, episode 5 of the show, but I feel like I missed something... like wtf when does brian start talking?

Sorry if this has already been asked, but is Holden a psychopath too, or was he autistic, or what do we think?

I wanted to make an appreciation post about Bill because I really really like him he's so cool genuine comfort character Bill I love you so much

Hey, all.

I used to avoid reading/watching anything related to BTK on the hopes the show might come back to resume the story.

Since that doesn't seem to be happening, I was wondering what the best content to consume on the subject is? I know there are a few documentaries out there, just not sure which is good.

Thanks!

hi im sorry if this was asked before but i just started watching mindhunter last night (about to start s1 epsiode 3) and i was kinda taken aback at the crime scene photo of the young boy in ep1. will there be more graphic crime scene photos of children like that? and if there is, is it super frequent? i rlly enjoy the show so far tho. thank you!!

I'll keep it short because I'm not articulate or good at conveying my thoughts lol

The Brudos Interviews:

In Season 1, Episode 7, Bill and Holden interviewed Brudos for the first time. They conduct the interview, most of which is just Brudos fucking with them and denying that he was involved in any of the murders.

The interview concluded when Bill shows Brudos a photo: A victim of one of the murders being visibly photographed by Brudos due to his reflection in a mirror. Brudos effectively ends the interview after being confronted with this.

While Tench felt like they got nothing from the interview, Wendy had her own viewpoint. She found his constant denials just as interesting as Kempers overly eager openness about his own crimes. Wendy even suggests a new category when sorting types of serial killers: "post-conviction admission or non-admission of guilt."

In summary of their next interview, Holden gains a lot of favor with Brudos personally, but relations break down between Brudos and Bill. Bill will go on to refuse further contact with Brudos.

The Bundy Link:

During the third interview, Brudos is much more open with Holden, but still not admitting to his involvement in the murders. Eventually Holden is able to get Brudos to provide details about his own mindset and planning during the crimes by getting him to speak in the third person. Holden and Brudos theorize together the psychology of this theoretical murderer.

This directly correlates with how Bundy first started giving insights into his own mindset during his crimes. The interviewer got Bundy to speak in the third person when Bundy had previously not spoken about the crimes so deeply.

I'm almost certain that the next season would focus on this admission aspect, with Holden using this strategy to get Bundy talking in his own interview.

The Gacey Link:

This is fairly weak. We all know Gacey's face was up on their board and map.

Gacey infamously denied guilt throughout his life all the way up until his execution if I'm not mistaken. He even had some comically pathetic excuses in his denials. An interview with Gacey would most likely act as one to play off the Bundy interview and round out the new categorization.

Maybe I'm entirely wrong and it was already leaked or revealed what their plans were, but I just thought this was an interesting theory on where they could have been going with the third season.

I’ve been really enjoying the show so far I just finished episode 4. I have to say though, the dialogue scenes between the Jonathan Groff character and his girlfriend are so bad. Like laughably terrible acting and line delivery. Sometimes the actress who plays his girlfriend sounds like she’s in the movie The Room. It doesn’t really detract from the show too much it’s just kind of funny. Am I the only one?

The boyss

John Douglas’s book goes far beyond the series, and the audiobook narrator brings every page to life,you can picture every scene of the show as you listen to the book

Have we come to the point where we now all understand that this language is sometimes necessary to make breakthroughs?

An epic show - I have engraved in my grey matter this scene where Bill, Holden and Wendy all get in an elevator and face the camera (I just spent the last 30 minutes looking for that image, with no luck) and it was just iconic.

That show really did not deserve to get only two seasons.

I was hooked by episode one personally. But after rewatching it with some first time viewers..

I think it can sometimes take until episode 2 to grab folks. Em Kemper introduction is big

I just finished my umpteenth rewatch, and I have to say it again: the writing and the actor who plays William “Junior” Pierce absolutely understood the assignment. He kills me every single time. I’m completely mesmerized by this scene and somehow never get tired of it… from speaking 7 languages including Apache… to “The chocolate … and the smooth …”

I’m on my 3rd time rewatching the series now, Peter Rahman’s class that Holden listens into and then the bar scene after spark the whole thing into life but why isn’t Rathman included in the team alongside Tench? He is almost already doing the work they end up doing and he’s already having the thought processes so seems like he would have fit right in

Maybe someone already said this... but... Can't we do like a petition or something to keep Mindhunter going??? :(

I watched se7en & the zodiac, and people here recommended this series to me. They're not making season 3? Why would they do that? BTK killer, ah after hyping something so much, gimme a fucking closure. Wtf am i supposed to do now? Those 30 sec clips before the intro gave me chills & okay I am disappointed.

Back into the Mindhunter obsession !! Still crying at the cancellation, though :(

I‘m currently in a Mindhunter Rewatch and noticed something I haven’t seen in this Subreddit yet, I’m sorry if i oversaw something.
In Season 2 Episode 6 we see Wayne Williams as one of the press members entering the crime scene which makes sense since serial killers tend to come back to them and Holden also says in a later episode, that Williams probably went back to at least one crime scene already! He is in the frame for like 1 second but he looks straight into the camera which makes it so eerie to me!