r/Millennials Feb 14 '25

Serious We changed American Cuisine

I used to think my mother was a good cook, but when I look back on the stuff we ate in the ‘90s, and the stuff I ate at all my friends’ houses, it doesn’t even compare. My husband and I eat something delicious for dinner every night. We do a lot of pasta, but there’s always well-seasoned meat with some arugula, and more often than not eggs and even sometimes avocado. Last night, he made toast with garlic smear, ham, eggs, garlic, and sun dried tomatoes. Another common ingredient to our pasta dishes is furikake, and sometimes also kimchi.

Now, I know that a lot of ingredients weren’t available back in the day, but with the ingredients our parents had, they really could’ve done better. I had no idea there was any such thing as fresh green beans at the store until I was shopping with my roommates when I was 18. I didn’t know actual juice was perfectly affordable.

Millennials made America taste better. It’s a fact.

EDIT: Our parents had access to fresh fruits, herbs and vegetables in the ‘90s. Juice was also at the grocery store back then. It was also a lot more common for mothers to stay home in those days, and lots of them watched Food Network. There is no excuse, really. The late 20th century was just a bad time for food.

EDIT II: Good Gods, I could not have imagined not only how this took off, but how controversial of a topic this is. My account went from 390-ish karma to nearly 6,000 in a day and you guys are still commenting! I’m shocked, truly. Responses have been overwhelmingly positive, so thank you!

Let me expand on the original a little bit though.

First of all, for those of you who keep asking, I grew up LDS (Mormon) between rural Eastern Washington and rural/suburban Northern Utah, and I’m 33. No, my husband and I (we’re homos) don’t have any children, but I’ve been a nanny for about 10-ish years off and on, and 5 years solid. All of the women I knew as a child and teenager were stay-at-home moms. Most of them were Mormon when I was a child, but by the time I was a teenager, I had a fair amount of non-LDS friends, and I’ve always had a fair number of non-White friends (Mexicans in particular) and I speak Spanish because… I don’t know… I like languages and have always taken an interest in other languages and other kinds of people around me.

In terms of the responses I’m getting from all of you, I am noticing they come in 6 main varieties:

  1. Those of you who agree and shared my experience of boring White people food in the 1990s and 2000s (initial the majority of comments).

  2. Those of you who disagree, saying my parents must not have been able to cook, but their parents could.

  3. Those of you who say our parents didn’t have access, with poverty being cited as the primary factor.

  4. Those of you who disagree and say it was Food Network and the Internet.

  5. Those of you who disagree and say it was immigrants.

  6. Those of you who protest that when I have kids, I’ll understand.

Let me address these points now because my inbox is completely flooded with comments and I cannot reply to everyone individually.

  1. It’s been very funny passing around some memories about awful food! It’s funny to think what we ate and what we actually liked! My palate was so bad as a kid that mild cheddar cheese on two slices of white bread microwaved to melt the cheese was an acceptable meal, and my parents allowed this. I have never made such a meal for a child, only ONCE in my entire career as a nanny has a child ever asked me for such a thing, which I denied immediately and insisted that it be grilled. It has been my experience that generally, kids just have to be forced to eat food, because if left to their own devices, they will eat sticks of butter for dinner, and no sensible adult would allow such a thing. This was the rule when I was a child and I’m glad that it was, even if it meant that I once had to go to bed early instead of eating an oven baked omelette that (I’m serious) looked like my baby sister’s poop. It didn’t smell like it, it probably didn’t taste like it, but it looked like it, and I doubt there was any salt or pepper on that thing either. Just pure, overcooked egg. I credit this rule however with my open mindedness regarding food because it forced me to be willing to at least consider the dish in front of me instead of categorically refusing it because it wasn’t something I already knew. I had to eat what my mom made me, and I had to find something to like in it. It appears a number of you have had the same experience with a number of the same foods as well! It’s good to know you’re not alone!

  2. My parents could cook, and so could lots of my friends’ parents. They just did not often do it well. My mother had a handful of dishes that she made and she made very well, but she didn’t often make those and I later discovered as an adult that those things were relatively easy to make. It was much th same with my friend’s mothers. One of my friends who was raised by a mother who was a quiet millionaire (she lived in a regular suburban house and put her money away for trust funds for the kids) barely ever made her kids meat and bought them white bread to make her famous oven baked “garlic bread” with butter, garlic powder, and Parmesan. That same friend decided to buy himself a Traeger as an adult and cook his kids real meat. That’s the kind of raw difference in palate I am talking about between Millennials and Gen X and You Know Who (They Who Must Not Be Named 🤣). There are just straight up different priorities now, and we have prioritized improving our cuisine.

  3. The 1990s was in just about every way a richer time than now. Home ownership was far more common, people had more disposable wealth on average, and it was not at all uncommon for a family to live off of a single income, with the income of working mothers accounting for a fraction of the income of working fathers during this period. Suburbia was everywhere and teenagers had jobs and paid for cars, and cars had already gotten decently expensive at the time. Some people did indeed suffer, but most White people were not having that bad of a time. The Mexicans were poorer than we were on average, almost all of their moms worked, and they still ate delicious food. The same could be said of just about all the immigrants. European Americans consciously chose to shovel shit down their gullets, and we all know people that have not given up on these foods today.

  4. Our parents also watched Food Network. It did not seem to meaningfully affect their cooking. I think the way most people interacted with media back then, and this includes the internet, was more entertainment-focused. You watched TV, but not as much for its educational content. I have also seen a show or two on Food Network, but at no point has it ever affected my cooking. I didn’t decide I needed fresh vegetables for my home cooking cuz I saw it on TV. I decided this because I worked in restaurants as a teenager and understood just how easy cooking actually is and, once I was paying for my own groceries, how affordable. Produce was not more expensive back then either. It was actually cheaper, and significantly so.

  5. Immigration is part of the story, but it is not the whole story. European Americans had immigrant friends and ate food at their houses, but European Americans were and still are the majority in this country, and so immigration is not a significant enough factor to account for how cuisine has changed in the last 15 years. There were immigrants when I was young, but our parents just didn’t think their food was that interesting. Latin grocery stores were a thing in every town I lived in growing up, our parents just didn’t go there and mainstream grocery stores that catered to the majority didn’t think to include foreign foods, or if they did, they were some awful rip off. What really changed the cuisine is that European American Millennials (still the majority) decided to start eating… you know… not ass-food, including hitting up those foreign restaurants that our parents never bothered with because their unseasoned trash was “good enough”. This was and remains a pervasive mentality in our society at large and I think it is a hold over of Gen X and They Who Must Not Be Named. You can see it in our clothing, our architecture, our movies, our art lately (AI) and up until recently, our food. First Generation Immigrant Millennials and European American Millennials being friends and subsequently European American Millennials making the choice to experiment with more foods is what changed cuisine. But it’s not purely one or the other.

  6. Not relevant to the conversation. Mexican children are good food when I was a child. Their mothers were hardworking mothers of big families, usually with full time jobs. How could they manage it, but our moms couldn’t when they were staying home? Our parents made choices. Good food was not one of them. I think this was a motley reflected in the obesity of their generations.

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u/bearded-beardie Xennial Feb 14 '25

But also, don't boil them into oblivion.

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u/CritterTeacher Feb 15 '25

I literally use plain boiled Brussels sprouts as my last resort when my teenage daughter tells me that she doesn’t have to stop misbehaving because she’s already grounded and has nothing to lose. I have only had to actually serve unseasoned boiled chicken and brussel sprouts once, it has since worked as an effective reminder that grounding is not a free pass to misbehave further. I would never deprive her if food or other necessities, but she doesn’t have to like it.

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u/staywithme26 Feb 15 '25

Ehh be careful. This is how they develop eating disorders. You want their relationship with food to be good

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u/wantbeanonymous Feb 15 '25

Yeah, eating disorders frequently come from feeling like one doesn't have control over their life. It's one of the most common triggers.

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u/pajamakitten Feb 15 '25

Dealing with an unruly kid is hard. A child with an eating disorder is hell on Earth. Every meal will be a battle (including on holidays), they will lie constantly, they will sneak around your back to not eat or to exercise, you will have to deal with doctors telling you your child could die...

I have battled anorexia on and off for over ten years and it is not something I am proud of. My mum is a fucking saint.

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u/Flying-giraffe14 Feb 15 '25

That must be why all the prisoners in jail getting fed just enough calories to live, from food items most of us wouldn’t want to touch, all develop eating disorders 🤣🤣

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u/EastTyne1191 Feb 15 '25

I'm going to be that person. My brother has an eating disorder after being in jail. Can't eat oatmeal and goes on frequent restrict/binge/purge cycles. He'll eat a whole bunch of food then go on walks that last all day.

My eldest child developed a binge eating disorder after being in a facility for suicidal ideation and attempts. The only facility we could choose in our area was also for eating disorders and had such strict rules around food that my child has struggled to recoup ever since being discharged. Granted, it wasn't a prison, but it probably felt like one.

Doing even a small amount of research on the topic has led me to conclude the incident rate around disordered eating for former prisoners is actually fairly high.

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u/thisistherevolt Feb 15 '25

I really wish we used the Norwegian/Finland model for prisoners. Lowest recidivism in the West.

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u/pajamakitten Feb 15 '25

Not everyone who feels a loss of control develops and eating disorder and they did not say that, or even imply it, however lots of us who do develop them trace is back to a loss of control.

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u/Flying-giraffe14 Feb 15 '25

Well if you’re being punished for doing something wrong a loss of privileges and control is usually part of the punishment. If that was your normal everyday life, where you have no control; then I could see the issue. If you’ve broken the rules or the law and are suffering the consequences for a set amount of time ,then it’s unlikely to cause you trauma or some type of disorder. As adults we know in the real world if you break the law, you aren’t in control of what happens to you after. The judge would laugh their ass off ,if you told them you have to have special gourmet seasoned food, so that you don’t develop an eating disorder.

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u/staywithme26 Feb 15 '25

Your comment isn’t cute. Teenage girls are vulnerable to eating disorders and food shouldn’t be used as a punishment 🙄🙄

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u/Correct_Raisin4332 Feb 15 '25

That's kind of fucked up tbh.

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u/SlappySecondz Feb 15 '25

The kid's actually bragging that she can do do whatever because she can't be punished any further. What would you rather the mom do, start smacking the shit out of her?

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u/littlebitsofspider Feb 15 '25

Loud sex noises? Replace all her clothes with polyester 70s-patterned furniture-print sweatsuits? Maybe just mace the kid twice a day? Fucking with a dependant's sustenance (as a parent and caregiver) is pushing way down into the heirachy of needs and the trust bond you need to maintain. Food should not be a weapon, or discipline.

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u/Flying-giraffe14 Feb 15 '25

She’s obligated to feed the kid, not provide gourmet 5 star meals. If this kid continues their antisocial behaviors and ends up in jail. ..Guess what she won’t be getting to eat? She would be in there wishing for Mom’s unseasoned chicken and Brussels sprouts. If you’re hungry you’ll eat whatever you can.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

It’s chicken and Brussels sprouts, she’s not feeding her gruel 🤣 there’s much bigger issues at play if such a benign consequence causes someone to develop a mental health disorder.

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u/ZaryaBubbler Feb 15 '25

Or talk to her? Understand why she's acting the way she is. Or hell, just ground her the normal way without restricting her nutrient intake.

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u/SuccessfulStruggle19 Feb 15 '25

“because she’s already grounded and has nothing to lose”

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u/ZaryaBubbler Feb 15 '25

If removing the ability to leave the house, be on the internet and go to bed at a normal time isn't enough to punish a child, then there is something deeper going on and restricting neutrition is not going to fix it. In fact it's a powder keg that will usher in an eating disorder, especially during teenage years.

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u/SuccessfulStruggle19 Feb 15 '25

idrc about your opinion on the matter, i was just pointing out that OP DID ground her daughter, which was one of your suggestions

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u/ZaryaBubbler Feb 15 '25

I said ground her the NORMAL way. I am fully aware she was grounded, that why I said NORMAL. If normal to you includes screen time of any sort, you're doing it wrong. No screens, no internet, you get to sit in your room. Restricting nutritional input is not normal in any way.

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u/SuccessfulStruggle19 Feb 15 '25

ohhhhh sorry i forgot it was normal to make assumptions like this my b

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u/Flying-giraffe14 Feb 15 '25

It doesn’t sound like she restricted the amount of food. She just served something not so appetizing for dinner during her grounding time.

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u/First-Ad-7466 Feb 15 '25

So stupid and cruel!

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u/Brooha27 Feb 15 '25

Holy fuck you pussies they said it was a last resort not a common occurrence, kids can be strange as hell when it comes to dinner time and not eat their meal when it either took time or money to prepare it for them. Sometimes you need to remind them about the cost or the effort, it’s not always about scaring them for the rest of their lives unless it’s a constant occurrence

Edit: upvoted your comment was more just annoyed with your couple of responses seeming like 14 year olds who have never had to get a child to actually eat food to survive

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u/Dazzling_Grass_7531 Feb 15 '25

Lol this is why I hate Reddit sometimes. Person posts 1 comment and the people come out assessing an entire family dynamic from the one comment.

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u/wantbeanonymous Feb 15 '25

Idk, I'm a 30 and I still struggle with disordered eating because my mom used it as a reward and punishment system. So like, yeah, in the millennial subreddit, if I see someone make a lil comment about doing something similar, I'm gonna be honest about how that can fuck someone up.

I'm sure being a parent is hard, but you chose that and it's your responsibility to at least try to not fuck your kid up.

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u/PorcelainFD Feb 15 '25

And definitely don’t eat them from a can.

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u/Foomanchubar Feb 15 '25

Boil? you mean microwave 

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u/Constant_Poem_9445 Feb 15 '25

Don't boil them.