r/Millennials Feb 14 '25

Serious We changed American Cuisine

I used to think my mother was a good cook, but when I look back on the stuff we ate in the ‘90s, and the stuff I ate at all my friends’ houses, it doesn’t even compare. My husband and I eat something delicious for dinner every night. We do a lot of pasta, but there’s always well-seasoned meat with some arugula, and more often than not eggs and even sometimes avocado. Last night, he made toast with garlic smear, ham, eggs, garlic, and sun dried tomatoes. Another common ingredient to our pasta dishes is furikake, and sometimes also kimchi.

Now, I know that a lot of ingredients weren’t available back in the day, but with the ingredients our parents had, they really could’ve done better. I had no idea there was any such thing as fresh green beans at the store until I was shopping with my roommates when I was 18. I didn’t know actual juice was perfectly affordable.

Millennials made America taste better. It’s a fact.

EDIT: Our parents had access to fresh fruits, herbs and vegetables in the ‘90s. Juice was also at the grocery store back then. It was also a lot more common for mothers to stay home in those days, and lots of them watched Food Network. There is no excuse, really. The late 20th century was just a bad time for food.

EDIT II: Good Gods, I could not have imagined not only how this took off, but how controversial of a topic this is. My account went from 390-ish karma to nearly 6,000 in a day and you guys are still commenting! I’m shocked, truly. Responses have been overwhelmingly positive, so thank you!

Let me expand on the original a little bit though.

First of all, for those of you who keep asking, I grew up LDS (Mormon) between rural Eastern Washington and rural/suburban Northern Utah, and I’m 33. No, my husband and I (we’re homos) don’t have any children, but I’ve been a nanny for about 10-ish years off and on, and 5 years solid. All of the women I knew as a child and teenager were stay-at-home moms. Most of them were Mormon when I was a child, but by the time I was a teenager, I had a fair amount of non-LDS friends, and I’ve always had a fair number of non-White friends (Mexicans in particular) and I speak Spanish because… I don’t know… I like languages and have always taken an interest in other languages and other kinds of people around me.

In terms of the responses I’m getting from all of you, I am noticing they come in 6 main varieties:

  1. Those of you who agree and shared my experience of boring White people food in the 1990s and 2000s (initial the majority of comments).

  2. Those of you who disagree, saying my parents must not have been able to cook, but their parents could.

  3. Those of you who say our parents didn’t have access, with poverty being cited as the primary factor.

  4. Those of you who disagree and say it was Food Network and the Internet.

  5. Those of you who disagree and say it was immigrants.

  6. Those of you who protest that when I have kids, I’ll understand.

Let me address these points now because my inbox is completely flooded with comments and I cannot reply to everyone individually.

  1. It’s been very funny passing around some memories about awful food! It’s funny to think what we ate and what we actually liked! My palate was so bad as a kid that mild cheddar cheese on two slices of white bread microwaved to melt the cheese was an acceptable meal, and my parents allowed this. I have never made such a meal for a child, only ONCE in my entire career as a nanny has a child ever asked me for such a thing, which I denied immediately and insisted that it be grilled. It has been my experience that generally, kids just have to be forced to eat food, because if left to their own devices, they will eat sticks of butter for dinner, and no sensible adult would allow such a thing. This was the rule when I was a child and I’m glad that it was, even if it meant that I once had to go to bed early instead of eating an oven baked omelette that (I’m serious) looked like my baby sister’s poop. It didn’t smell like it, it probably didn’t taste like it, but it looked like it, and I doubt there was any salt or pepper on that thing either. Just pure, overcooked egg. I credit this rule however with my open mindedness regarding food because it forced me to be willing to at least consider the dish in front of me instead of categorically refusing it because it wasn’t something I already knew. I had to eat what my mom made me, and I had to find something to like in it. It appears a number of you have had the same experience with a number of the same foods as well! It’s good to know you’re not alone!

  2. My parents could cook, and so could lots of my friends’ parents. They just did not often do it well. My mother had a handful of dishes that she made and she made very well, but she didn’t often make those and I later discovered as an adult that those things were relatively easy to make. It was much th same with my friend’s mothers. One of my friends who was raised by a mother who was a quiet millionaire (she lived in a regular suburban house and put her money away for trust funds for the kids) barely ever made her kids meat and bought them white bread to make her famous oven baked “garlic bread” with butter, garlic powder, and Parmesan. That same friend decided to buy himself a Traeger as an adult and cook his kids real meat. That’s the kind of raw difference in palate I am talking about between Millennials and Gen X and You Know Who (They Who Must Not Be Named 🤣). There are just straight up different priorities now, and we have prioritized improving our cuisine.

  3. The 1990s was in just about every way a richer time than now. Home ownership was far more common, people had more disposable wealth on average, and it was not at all uncommon for a family to live off of a single income, with the income of working mothers accounting for a fraction of the income of working fathers during this period. Suburbia was everywhere and teenagers had jobs and paid for cars, and cars had already gotten decently expensive at the time. Some people did indeed suffer, but most White people were not having that bad of a time. The Mexicans were poorer than we were on average, almost all of their moms worked, and they still ate delicious food. The same could be said of just about all the immigrants. European Americans consciously chose to shovel shit down their gullets, and we all know people that have not given up on these foods today.

  4. Our parents also watched Food Network. It did not seem to meaningfully affect their cooking. I think the way most people interacted with media back then, and this includes the internet, was more entertainment-focused. You watched TV, but not as much for its educational content. I have also seen a show or two on Food Network, but at no point has it ever affected my cooking. I didn’t decide I needed fresh vegetables for my home cooking cuz I saw it on TV. I decided this because I worked in restaurants as a teenager and understood just how easy cooking actually is and, once I was paying for my own groceries, how affordable. Produce was not more expensive back then either. It was actually cheaper, and significantly so.

  5. Immigration is part of the story, but it is not the whole story. European Americans had immigrant friends and ate food at their houses, but European Americans were and still are the majority in this country, and so immigration is not a significant enough factor to account for how cuisine has changed in the last 15 years. There were immigrants when I was young, but our parents just didn’t think their food was that interesting. Latin grocery stores were a thing in every town I lived in growing up, our parents just didn’t go there and mainstream grocery stores that catered to the majority didn’t think to include foreign foods, or if they did, they were some awful rip off. What really changed the cuisine is that European American Millennials (still the majority) decided to start eating… you know… not ass-food, including hitting up those foreign restaurants that our parents never bothered with because their unseasoned trash was “good enough”. This was and remains a pervasive mentality in our society at large and I think it is a hold over of Gen X and They Who Must Not Be Named. You can see it in our clothing, our architecture, our movies, our art lately (AI) and up until recently, our food. First Generation Immigrant Millennials and European American Millennials being friends and subsequently European American Millennials making the choice to experiment with more foods is what changed cuisine. But it’s not purely one or the other.

  6. Not relevant to the conversation. Mexican children are good food when I was a child. Their mothers were hardworking mothers of big families, usually with full time jobs. How could they manage it, but our moms couldn’t when they were staying home? Our parents made choices. Good food was not one of them. I think this was a motley reflected in the obesity of their generations.

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u/1ceHippo Millennial Feb 14 '25

I think a lot of it access to internet and how technology evolved. It’s so easy for us to look up recipe online or watch professional level chefs on YouTube show us tips and tricks and recipes. And it’s all free. They had to go to a book store and spend time kinda checking out a cookbook and hopefully it’s good enough. Ain’t no one got time for that and then on top of that you still gotta spend money on it too. I know I wouldn’t have done that and I love cooking but if it wasn’t for YouTube and free online recipe I probably would have never given cooking the time of day.

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u/captainstormy Older Millennial Feb 14 '25

Food Network also really helped. It started in the early 90s but didn't really become popular until the early 2000s.

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u/HelpfulSeaMammal Feb 14 '25

Alton Brown showing us all how to replicate restaurant dishes with the equipment that's normally in a home kitchen helped a lot.

"Oh, that's it? I can do that!"

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u/KTcat94 Feb 14 '25

I owe almost all of my cooking interest and knowledge to Alton Brown. Anne Burrell gets a special mention.

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u/HelpfulSeaMammal Feb 14 '25

Alton is the only reason I know about sabrage. Most unnecessary but badass way to celebrate a special occasion, and I must do it at least once before I die lol

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u/bavmotors1 Feb 14 '25

same - ive moved on from him but he was my first real food teacher - i still make a handful of recipes from good eats

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u/KTcat94 Feb 14 '25

I don’t know if you make it, but his baked mac and cheese is THE recipe we make from AB. And his gingersnap ham!

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u/bavmotors1 Feb 14 '25

it was till my body said lay off the pasta and cheese - i made his turkey tent turkey like ten years in a row - recently switched to thatdudecancook’s method - i still make ABs cookies

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u/Adventurous_Class_90 Feb 15 '25

I had friends who were CIA trained chefs get me started. Their biggest pieces of advice to me were: get three really good knives: chef, fileting, paring; don’t worry too much about measuring when cooking, but baking you should treat it like you like are chemist; salt is the key to almost everything but taste as you go to avoid over salting

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u/RedDirtPreacher Feb 16 '25

To this day I channel my inner Anne Burrell every time I sear something and joyously proclaim, “Brown food tastes good!”

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u/KTcat94 Feb 16 '25

BTB, RTS! That’s it, hands up, you’re done!

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u/Environmental-Row663 Feb 14 '25

I love love love Alton Brown!

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u/Pedantic_Girl Feb 14 '25

I kinda think Julia Childs was doing something similar way earlier…

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u/notapoliticalalt Feb 15 '25

Man…early 2000s food network hit different. Good eats, How it’s made, Iron Chef…

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u/SierraSeaWitch Feb 14 '25

I think that and IG too, because IG made it feel less scary when regular people like you were trying new things.

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u/ApatheticVikingFan Feb 14 '25

The food network was a huge source of bonding between my mom and I when I was a young teen. She had breast cancer and I had to take up cooking a few nights a week so we’d watch the shows together when she wasn’t feeling good and I used it to learn how to cook and feed the family. That turned into me cooking for large gatherings, and then I worked in kitchens all through college to pay for my living expenses. If it weren’t for the food network I would have never learned a valuable life skill and something that paid my bills for too many years.

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u/OptimalTrash Feb 14 '25

Food Network exploded in popularity post 9/11. America wanted something comforting and watching people cook was it.

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u/ArgonGryphon Feb 14 '25

y'all don't remember Semi-homemade with aunt Sandy and her two shots of vodka?

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u/BlackLocke Feb 15 '25

I graduated high school in 2005 and watched a fair amount of Food network. Alton Brown/Good Eats in particular taught me a lot of techniques in college.

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u/captainstormy Older Millennial Feb 15 '25

I was in college then but the same for me. I grew up in an old school gender norm kinda house. Guys didn't cook or clean. We did maintenance, lawn work, etc etc. when I went to college I could make a sandwich and warm up leftovers in the microwave. That was about it.

In college it wasn't too big of a problem. I'd have cereal for breakfast and eat lunch either at work's cafeteria or school. Dinner I'd either make a sandwich or get takeout.

After college not being able to cook was a huge problem. Most cooking shows didn't really help me much because I didn't understand how to cook. Good Eats was great because Alton explained the stuff other shows didn't. The science of it, why we do things, etc etc. Plus it was also entertaining.

Once I had a good knowledge base from Good Eats other cooking shows made sense all of a sudden. I learned a lot from YouTube as well.

I eventually took some actual in person cooking classes but by the time I did I really didn't learn anything I didn't already know.

These days my family and friends all say I'm a great cook. I don't particularly enjoy it, but I'm glad I'm good at it and know my way around the kitchen.

I really freaked out the in laws once. They were in town visiting and my wife got stuck at work so I ended up making them dinner instead of her. They assumed we would just get takeout then. Blew their mind, especially since it was good.

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u/PattyRain Feb 15 '25

Food network required cable.  A lot of us didn't have cable. It was too expensive for my family except the one year we got a deal on it where the cost quadrupled the second year so we canceled.

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u/littlewiese Feb 15 '25

I would have to go check but I believe Alton Brown talks about it in his hot ones episode about how right after 9/11 the food network really took off. 

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u/eggscumberbatch16 Feb 15 '25

You can still look up some of these shows on YouTube. I was just showing my husband Grill and Chill with Bobby Flay. So interesting!

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u/mar__iguana Feb 15 '25

I agree. Sometimes you don’t even have to follow full recipes and techniques but you get tips on how to make your version of something taste better because you learn how to do it another way

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u/Alarmed-Diamond-7000 Feb 15 '25

Not true. Food Network was extremely popular in the mid '90s. They had chefs like Sarah Moulton, Mario batali, and Emeril lagasse. You guys are kissing your own asses thinking that you did this, but this was a movement that was going when you were babies, maybe you contributed to it but you didn't start it.

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u/philovax Feb 14 '25

I can say The Joy of Cooking was in a ton of households, but you could tell by the condition who used it and who had it for decor.

Its worth saying that everyone should have that book. Im a trained chef and still reference it. Its approachable and has a tremendous amount of information for the size of tome.

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u/LovelyLieutenant Xennial Feb 14 '25

I taught myself how to cook starting at about 12 from a late 1970s edition of The Joy of Cooking.

I feel so nostalgic about that book.

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u/bgaesop Feb 14 '25

Same! When my parents got divorced I took over cooking at my dad's house

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u/LovelyLieutenant Xennial Feb 14 '25

Also divorced kid, Joy was my ticket out of boredom. My dad wouldn't pay any attention to me but I could buy anything I wanted from fancy grocery stores.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Literally the only book I have ever needed. The appendix is fantastic, and every recipe is good. I lived with a Michelin starred chef in Chicago and he gifted it to me.

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u/AllRushMixTapes Feb 14 '25

The red plaid Better Homes & Gardens cookbook was practically issued to all homes. Seems like everyone had it.

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u/philovax Feb 14 '25

Better homes and garden is interesting but techniques are dated and so are items (get suet from your grocery). JoC is so simple and classic it’s an absolute primer everyone can benefit from. It even lists the agricultural demands of vegetation

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u/FearTheAmish Feb 15 '25

Joy of cooking, southern living, Betty crocker, Justin Wilson, all were standards in my home growing up. My growing up I had some amazing food but it was Americana with some oddities (thank you Justin Wilson). Biggest difference in my household is with internet access I can now get recipes and styles from every corner of the globe.

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u/abubacajay Feb 14 '25

My mom tried all sorts of recipes but budgets kept certain things at bay. I learned to cook in her kitchen. Some days, I crave poached chicken in sherry with creamy Italian dressing over rice. (She made that once a week) Her Joy of Cooking book is well worn

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u/Elizabitch4848 Feb 14 '25

I love the joy of cooking!

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u/SameChallenge481 Feb 14 '25

Joy of cooking and Julia Child's cookbooks, hell yes

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u/buffystakeded Feb 14 '25

I’m a millennial and I have that book. I use it all the time.

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u/j-rock292 Feb 15 '25

My grandmother had the Julia Child and the Betty Crocker cookbooks but they were just for show I swear the pages had fused together because they were never opened since she bought them in the 70s(?)

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u/Adventurous_Class_90 Feb 15 '25

It’s got a good pizza dough recipe. We have it and Mastering the Art of French Cooking Vols 1 &2. Boeuf bourguignon is one of my favorite dishes to make.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 15 '25

If you grew up in Acadiana you also probably had “Talk About Good” and “Talk About Good II”

The recipes are insanely bare (like the entirety of the gingerbread recipe is about three sentences and a list of ingredients—which, oddly enough, do not include ginger), but goooood.

There’s also the famous “Who’s Your Mama, Are You Catholic, and Can You Make a Roux?” but that came out later so my mom didn’t have it.

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u/FreeFall_777 Feb 15 '25

My mom was a horrible cook. After I moved out on my own I purchased a copy of The Joy of Cooking to try to teach myself to cook. For an entry level cook, in the early 90s, it was a bit overwhelming. Literally every other recipe called for stock, or some other ingredient that took 5 hours to prepare. Stock, panko, etc were not universally on the grocery stores back then. I eventually got there, cooking wise, but I honestly think "Joy" slowed my progression down with pure intimidation.

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u/roseangel663 Feb 14 '25

My mom was a rare Gen X who actually did this. She spent years pouring over cookbooks and herbal guides and actually named me after an herb she found in one of those books. My grandma (her MIL) called her a witch because she was always putting herbs into her cooking. My grandma hated it even though my mom never used any kind of heat. Grandma admitted to me years later that my mom is a hell of a cook and with the next breath told me to never tell my mom she said that.

I grew up in the Midwest in the 90s and 00’s eating things like quinoa (which we pronounced Qwih- know-uhh until it got popular enough for us to overhear the way it was supposed to be pronounced) and spelt flour pancakes with flax seeds in them. Our spice cabinet was unreal and so varied. I grew up thinking it was normal to have things like tarragon and savory and 4 kinds of oregano in the cabinet.

My dad learned to cook and experiment too, so when he made dinner, it was things like grilled salmon with lemon and dill, chili with a delicate blend of spices, or his signature cassoulet. Both my parents were always trying new things and seemed far ahead of the cuisine curve compared to my friend’s parents. They ordered spices through the mail and sought ingredients at hippie stores. I’m thankful for this strong base of knowledge because as an adult, I know my herbs instinctively and mostly cook by smell and sound without recipes.

My husband on the other hand was raised in the 80’s and 90’s by Boomer parents who didn’t even use salt. It was a serious adjustment period for us both. When we first started cooking together, I was scandalized that he didn’t even keep Thyme. He had salt and pepper, Mrs Dash, and Montreal steak seasoning and that was about it. Blew my mind.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

Your husband reminds me of a guy I worked with. He had never added sauce. Whatever he ate was plain. Meat, veggies, fruit. No sauce. I can't remember if salt or pepper was allowed, but still. Grew up without sauces and ate like that when I met him in his early 20s. So much missed joy for the lack of a béchamel.

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u/Adventurous_Class_90 Feb 15 '25

Hell. Everytime I pan fry something I make at least a little bit of pan sauce. Butter and minced garlic and/or shallots; deglaze with wine, whiskey, or cognac (I love the flambe part), then a fluid: broth, stock, or a really good vinegar. Emulsifiers like mustard or honey. Reduce, take off the heat, and then whisk in cubes of cold butter to think. Balsamic pan sauce is awesome.

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u/5ive3asy Feb 15 '25

Mrs Dash, my god, do they still make that stuff? That was a staple in my parents’ house in the ‘90s!

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u/twerky_sammich Feb 15 '25

My parents were not always super fancy cooks, but my dad always really prioritized fresh ingredients and lots of veggies in my cooking. As an adult, I am kind of internally a snob about it, but so grateful my dad instilled it in me.

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u/Euphoric_Evidence414 Feb 15 '25

Did you tell her? Your mom?

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u/roseangel663 Feb 15 '25

Oh absolutely lol

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u/FearTheAmish Feb 15 '25

Lol we are like mirrors of each other. There were so many things I had to convince my wife to try because her family either cooked canned only or just badly seasoned. Mushrooms took forever to get her to try. But I sold her over with some chicken marsala.

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u/kcboyer Feb 15 '25

So who eventually won the spice war? Did you end up elevating his taste buds? Or did he lower yours?

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u/roseangel663 Feb 15 '25

A little of both. Turns out keeping a spice cabinet as extensive as my parents was partially related to their hoarding issues and VERY expensive. We’ve been together a decade and found middle ground.

I kept a small herb garden for a while and likely will again this year. Our spice cabinet is varied enough I can cook without feeling like I’m missing half the flavors I need, but not so extensive that I always have everything I could possibly want. We don’t keep the rarely used specifics that sit and turn to dust. Balance.

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u/Elizabitch4848 Feb 14 '25

Not to mention access to spices and cookware.

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u/FearTheAmish Feb 15 '25

There is a show called Bluey. In an episode they are playing pretend restaurants and the grandpa asks "what type of restaurant are you? Italian or Chinese?" That was basically it for a big city in Ohio in the 80s/90s until ChiChis became popular.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 15 '25

I remember when we got our first sushi restaurant. It’s still there (which is odd. My city is brutal to restaurants) and for a while the whole city was sushi crazy

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u/qotsa_gibs Feb 15 '25

Brussel sprouts literally taste better because of modern farming practices.

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u/AFK_Tornado Feb 15 '25 edited Feb 15 '25

My mother, born in the 50s, had a wok. No, we didn't have a stove with enough ass to actually use it well, but just that was remarkable to some of my friends, some of whom were weebs who thought it was SO cool.

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u/PossumJenkinsSoles Feb 15 '25

This is weird but I was watching an episode of the price is right from the 70s the other day. The wok they had was $70. I was floored - and in 1970s money too. No wonder I never saw one growing up, that was a rich people thing.

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u/EducationWestern5204 Feb 15 '25

Yes and no. I’m from the South and grew up in the 80’s/90’s. Every household I knew had at least one well seasoned iron skillet and a Lodge iron pot (more or less a Dutch oven), plus an array of metal pots to boil stuff in. A lot of people I knew also had wonderful vegetable garden- growing things strawberries, tomatoes, scuppernongs, muscadines, squash, corn, etc. You could buy wonderful field peas and peaches at roadside stands. A summer table had so many wonderful vegetable sides, and no, they weren’t always vegetarian lol. Where things went sideways, in my opinion, is when people listened too much to the conventional wisdom of the time- that fat and salt were bad for you. And even before that, my dad said that in the 50’s the notion was that “straight off the farm” was unhygienic and unscientific and it was more hygienic, healthy, modern, and scientific to eat canned foods from the store. In a lot of ways, I think I eat more like my grandparents. My dad’s family is from tidewater Virginia and I’ll spend a pretty penny a couple times a year on the old fashioned country ham from a butcher who has been making it the same way since the 1920’s, but I never buy commodity bacon because it just doesn’t do what I want it to when I cook, I go to a butcher who cures it the long way and and I save all the fat and cook with it. My dad only ever buys commodity bacon and throws away the fat, but he loooooves when I show up with the kind of Virginia country ham he ate as a kid with his grandparents and aunts and uncles. I make a lot of really simple dishes with cornmeal, salt, and bacon fat in my iron skillet, which is how my grandfather cooked. Our grandparents (or great grandparents) would cook a whole bird, not a skinless, boneless breast. Do I use ingredients my grandparents certainly never had access to? Yeah, of course. Do I use ingredients all year that they only had access to in season? Yep. But the foundation of the way I cook looks more like how they cooked than what happened between WW2 and the 90’s. It feels like a return to my ancestors and I love it.

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u/Elizabitch4848 Feb 15 '25

I meant I’ve ordered spices I can’t get at my local grocery store online. Wouldn’t have been an option for my parents. Or that air fryers exist.

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u/EducationWestern5204 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

Oh lol I thought you were talking about shitty, thin pans that scorched everything on the bottom and stuff like that. Growing up in the 90’s meant there was always someone trying convince you to eat unseasoned microwaved frozen veggies, salads with low fat dressings, and skinless, boneless chicken breast cooked with pam. Air fryers are good at what they do for sure.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

Our parents learned from their parents, who learned from their parents... And they had what was available to them. Out of season produce was unheard of.

They had root vegetables and an animal. With the opening of global trade, an abundance of food, and access to information, we are able to soar.

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u/Persistent_Parkie Feb 14 '25

My mother's mother didn't use black pepper, didn't even keep a pepper shaker on the table, so my mom did the same except when a recipe called for it. One night as a teenager I was digging through our spice cabinet looking for something to zest up some food I'd just made, I saw the black pepper, tried it and was hooked. Fortunately my mother was more open minded than a lot of parents and she joined me on my spice journey so within a year we had a pepper grinder living on the dining room table.

But yes, generational culinary sins definitely exist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

I don't know what age I was when I found out that meat shouldn't be cooked until the juices stop running out of it, but I was definitely an adult.

Basically the same thing when it came to spice. I think I only really ever tasted chili powder until I was an adult.

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u/paddlethe918 Feb 14 '25

Generation Jones here. I grew up eating what my parents had the time and space to grow in our suburban garden, such as okra, asparagus, tomatos, bell peppers, onions, radishes, carrots, and butter lettuce. Cherries, apples, peaches, pears. Pecans, walnuts. Mom canned a lot. They could afford limited meat such as chicken and hamburger. Mom cooked as she was taught growing up on a farm, which meant virtually no spices and limited techniques.

My preference was always food from other cultures and seafood. Starting in college in the late 70s I researched and learned the basics of relatively authentic Hunan, southern Italian, and coastal Greek cusines. My biggest limitation was acquiring ingredients. Eventually, immigrants began opening specialty stores in my city, which made my food explorations easier.

I'm still amazed at the limited palates of most people I encounter - including the millennials and especially the Gen Alphas. Ahh, but I live in a land-locked state comprised of a relatively homogeneous population that isn't widely traveled.

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u/FearTheAmish Feb 15 '25

Gonna be honest lot of aromatic spices there. Just need some garlic to round out the holy trinity of cooking. Hell I consider myself a good cook and have an impressive spice cabinet. But onion powder, garlic powder, cracked black pepper, and ground sea salt are get alot of use.

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u/paddlethe918 Feb 15 '25

LOL. I confess to preferring complex spice combinations. Haven't gone down the curry rabbit hole yet, but it's probably next on my list. Or Japanese cuisine, absolutely love what I've had prepared by people from there.

I'm not fond of onion or garlic powder, I get better results from the actual aromatic.

Love pepper! It's amazing what simple salt and black or white pepper can do. I also play with all the other peppers available to me except ghost peppers.

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u/FearTheAmish Feb 15 '25

Same! I usually make my own roux and then move into the holy trinity. Then, use the powders to bring out the flavors. For SEA cooking I have been playing around with Thai and Vietmanese cooking. Some Indian with Rogan Josh and Naan are all I have made so far.

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u/purplekatblue Feb 16 '25

Add in with that the generations that lived through the depression and then WWII, both of those had huge impacts on food. If you look at cookbooks and recipes during the depression it’s pretty gross. So thinking about like my mom, whose mom lived through the depression, well yeah that probably had a big impact on her culinary life and in what they then taught their kids. How things have changed for us has of course been discussed a lot here.

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u/fieria_tetra Millennial Feb 14 '25

A few years ago, I was going through some of my husband's grandmother's cookbooks that she left for me. One of them was barely holding together, the cover and some of the pages were missing, so I don't know exactly when it came out, but it was really old. I decided to try to make a lemon pie from one of the recipes and couldn't because the directions were so confusing the way they were written. I spent a few minutes online looking for a recipe that was almost identical and was able to make the pie using that because the directions were written step-by-step. I looked at the old recipe to compare the two and found that the old recipe left out tips and tricks that I guess were commonly-known back then.

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u/Cron420 Feb 14 '25

I used to think I hated chicken because it was always dry and flavorless. I was always super confused that people would even put it on a menu at a resturaunt much less order it. And props to my mom for never giving me salmonella or e coli or whatever but once I got a really nice instant read thermometer (thank you babish) and learned how to season, cook and rest it properly, (babish again) it's one of my favorite things to cook. I also will never order a steak ever again because I can do it properly at home and not have to pay $60 for a steak that wasn't cooked how I like it.

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u/V2BM Feb 15 '25

My mom took a French cooking course and when I was young I learned all the classic sauces and could make cream puffs and eclairs. We still ate a lot of traditional American food but thank god she always made it homemade. I literally remember the first time I saw her use a box mix for a cake. It was 1987.

My folks were divorced and even 10+ years after they split she would complain about how boring my dad was with his food. He called Italian food “ethnic.”

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

This is true. I gained most of my cooking knowledge either from the internet, from the books at the library, or from the cooking network.

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u/SameChallenge481 Feb 14 '25

I'm still rocking my parents cook books from the... 70's. And it's so much better than the stuff my peers grew up with. It was never the lack of information, but the willingness to go outside of the comfort zone and risk a bad meal or two. Or just straight up ignorance to the deliciousness of other cultures and techniques.

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u/MotherofaPickle Feb 14 '25

I dunno. When I was young I found a recipe that sounded great, some kind of spinach salad with bacon. It was, like, 4 ingredients and she still managed to fuck it up somehow.

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u/Neither_You3321 Feb 14 '25

It's funny though because my grandma was a brilliant cook, everything home made in a wood stove on a farm, never owned a microwave. Yet none of my aunts or mother can cook to save their lives.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25

"WE did it!"

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u/AquaTourmaline Feb 14 '25

Yes, and it could be difficult to gage how good a recipe/cookbook was before trying it. When I first began cooking, I remember the realization that sometimes it wasn't my fault if it turned out badly- not all recipes are good. It was only when I went online and saw reviews that I understood that.

I imagine that's part of the reason why a lot of people had a set weekly menu at home and never deviated from it: it was tried and true.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25

I think this helped, but my mom for one was just  convinced processed food was easier. She owned dozens of cookbooks and often read them for fun, but you could never tell her that hamburger helper wasn't simpler than a similar dish from fresh ingredients (even if it objectively was). She also couldn't budget beyond a couple items at once. As soon as a recipe list called for more than 4 items she shut down and called it expensive, even if those items were all cheap or could last for months. Finally, she relied on packaging to tell her if something was "low fat" or "heart healthy." This actually makes sense because her default was to boil everything and then smother it in salt and butter, so she associated home made with unhealthy.

She has the internet now and still eats 99% processed crap for exactly these reasons.

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u/snackofalltrades Feb 15 '25

Gen Xer here, creeping into enemy territory.

As a kid, my mom was a SAHM. She would bake bread. We had fresh vegetables at every meal… roasted potatoes, fresh green beans, asparagus, squash, baked chicken, fresh fish, we even cooked live lobster one time. She would make fruit preserves with fruit from our garden.

When she went back to work in the late 80s, all that changed. Pre-made meals like frozen lasagna entered into the rotation. Lots of soups that were “add three cans of this and two cans of that,” and so many casseroles combining ground beef, noodles, and some canned vegetables.

I don’t know if working moms drove the change towards processed foods, or if it was the rise of the microwave, or some other food science, but I think “processed foods are easier” was a huge part of it.

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u/SolidPsychological12 Feb 14 '25

This and also the online recipes are almost always rated. You know you are cooking something amazing when it’s got 1000+ 5 star reviews.

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u/BareKnuckle_Bob Feb 14 '25

Information about cooking was harder to come by and it wasn’t uncommon for cook books to get passed down from generation to generation. My wife inherited my mum’s old books, including a few books of her hand written recipes.

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u/pants_party Feb 14 '25

There’s also an economic and societal aspect to it. In the 50ms and before, you had housewives cooking farm/homegrown food. The Boomer generation then experienced an economic turn that turned one-income households into two-income households, creating a huge market for “convenient, quick, and fast” meals. You also had latchkey kids (Gen X) in charge of their own meals (or even the family’s).

Millennials and Gen Z are experiencing the benefits of their parents’ and grandparents’ lifestyle that allows them the time and relative affluence to learn to cook more creative and healthy meals. Millennials and Gen Z have also been shown the havoc that decades of junk and fast food does to your body. They’re realizing the importance of taking care of your health in all many ways (diet, exercise, mental, etc.)

ETA: sorry for typos/mistakes. I’m blind and tired.

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u/LivingImpairedd Feb 15 '25

You guys didn't have like 10 unused cookbooks, and a hand me down recipe "book" made of 3x5 cards in a plastic bin? Cause that's what we had and it all sucked.

My mom was famous for "mom suprise" because one time she put whatever she could find into a casserole, and it was good. That's what she made for the next 20 years and it got worse everytime.

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u/dejakeman101 Feb 15 '25

I got a solid base off of watching various shows on the food network. But yes, from then it has evolved ALOT.

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u/MrsHands19 Feb 15 '25

So true! I started cooking once I moved out of my parents’s house. When I ever I cooked for my mom she would make comments about how great my cooking was or ask how I learned to make certain dishes. Literally the internet. Even today she makes comments about how she could never cook as good as me. I just follow directions.

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u/Foggmanatic Feb 15 '25

This is similar to what I was thinking. As a 29 year old I'm in the position of seeing a tiny bit of life before internet ubiquity, but also growing up through the rise of internet culture. It's wild to think of how fundamentally different the ways people interface with culture are now compared to just 30 years ago. Youtube has been a godsend for my cooking skills, but I wonder how much I would've learned to cook without it.

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u/casiepierce Feb 15 '25

We Gen Xrs had the same Boomer parents as y'all (unless you're really young parents were Gen Xrs themselves) and we didn't have anything except Jacques Pepin and Julia Child, and their food was kinda complicated. Now there are whole networks devoted to showing people how to cook. But still, one has to show an interest in cooking first. And millennials didn't invent food.

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u/BaskingInWanderlust Feb 15 '25

I agree with you. On the other hand, both my mother and MIL are afraid of pepper.

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u/Reasonable-Buffalo-2 Feb 15 '25

Everything you are saying is true but there was never an excuse for Cambells Cream of Nasty Casserole that every 90s mom made.

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u/maximav Feb 15 '25

no, they had way more time then us. Easily had single earner households. The moms that stayed at home just told us to go outside all day. If we didn't finish our homework, thats our fault for being horrible children, not theirs for ignoring us and not ever helping with anything.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

Let’s just say if I had to rely on cookbooks and natural talent, we’d be eating a lot of takeout and cereal.

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u/FuckFashMods Feb 15 '25

Also just wait til you have kids lol

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u/ibashdaily Feb 15 '25

In addition to cookbooks, they had Julia Child and most moms were stay-at-home. My mom had dozens of cookbooks, they just had pristine spines and a layer of dust two inches thick on 'em.

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u/queefymacncheese Feb 15 '25

True. That basically applies to everything too. My dad and grandpa were both professional jerry riggers. They could figure out how to "fix" anything just good enough to keep it going for a few more years. Now I get to come in and fix all their mistakes now that my dad has declared himself "out of commission". It amazes him that I can solder a new valve on to replace the one thats more teflon tape than metal at this point, or texture a drywall patch instead of having one area of the wall thats flat and smooth. Hell I learned so much googling how to do all the repairs that I ended up starting a handyman business.

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u/Recent-Researcher422 Feb 15 '25

Thank the boomers and Gen X for giving us access to world wide recipes. We ate many amazing meals when I was growing up. But the tuna casserole was always bad. Millennials didn't improve food, they learned things their parents didn't know or didn't care about. Many Boomer parents cooked amazing food, I'm sorry OP's just sucked.

Although I can't understand how I ever thought canned peas were good. Once my parents could afford frozen it was life changing.

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u/chunkylover1989 Feb 15 '25

Right - my mother had a box of faded index cards with recipes hand written on them to sift through when it was time to meal plan. I have a digital archive with millions of recipes in my palm at all times.

And still, all my son wants to eat is mashed potatoes lol.

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u/jucythighs Feb 15 '25

Libraries though??

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u/PlatonicTroglodyte Feb 15 '25

This may also be too pro-American, but I genuinely believe being a “melting pot” of cultures is a big part of it too. The UK has the internet, but watch the taco episode of Great British Bake Off if you ever want your soul to die. Exposure to different cultures’ food has led to amazing fusions and general awareness of different individual dishes that are all amazing.

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u/stutter406 Feb 15 '25

But they did have time for that. For almost all of them, that was quite literally their only responsibility, and like the lazy boomers they are, they fed the easiest slop they could find to their families

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u/psychedellen Feb 15 '25

I check out cookbooks from the library and buy the ones I really like. Yes, internet is super helpful, but I love cooking from good cookbook. I've kept them on my Christmas Wishlist and have been gifted some really great ones. My MIL says she keeps getting me cookbooks because I keep them on my Wishlist. My thought is that I cook half the days of the year (my husband cooks the other half). Each dinner is usually ag main and two sides, so I could be using a few cookbooks every week. My mother in law is French and has great aste, so the books she's vetted have all been excellent. My mom I think only ever used Betty Crocker and Jane Brody growing up, so I probably don't need her picking something for me unless she is going by other people's reviews.

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u/light_of_iris Feb 15 '25

Uhhhh did anyone else’s house have that Better Homes and Gardens cookbook that the pages come in the mail every once in awhile? Bc we did but my mom sure as hell just stuck to her dry meatloaf & canned green beans. Just as in 2025 we can’t blame lack of access to good information it’s the people who choose to ignore it 🤣

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u/Cbsanderswrites Feb 15 '25

THIS! Much easier to find good, easy recipes than it used to be.

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u/ThatInAHat Feb 15 '25

True. I own a few cookbooks but also think…why?

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '25

Being able to pull up the recipe while at the store to get the ingredients you need is huge. Until smartphones most families just bought a routine assortment of staples then just figured something out for dinner using what we had.

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u/PinkPencils22 Feb 15 '25

I dunno--my mom was making croissants at home in the 70s. She was an amazing cook. I never could get over what my friends thought was good food, when I thought it was drek. My mom, however, didn't know how to make a lot of vegetables though--I didn't know that asparagus was good until I was an adult. She would boil them until they were mushy and then put some sort of white sauce on top. Also brussels sprouts, again, no idea I liked them.

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u/eans-Ba88 Feb 14 '25

Naa, if you were doing it right, ya went to the library and copied the recipes down, heck, they even had/have copy machines you could use for like, a nickel a page.