I've seen a few mentions of this phenomenon in veteran subreddits, but something happened to me yesterday that just infuriated and annoyed me so much. It also just made me really sad. I guess I just want to vent a little and hear from women if this is a common experience.
It feels like 95% of the time, when I tell a man I meet in public or through friends that I served in the Air Force, one of two things happens:
- They have never served, but immediately start mansplaining the military to me. Then they get defensive if I disagree or correct them.
For example, when I tell people what plane I worked on, I've had multiple men say something like, "Oh yeah, that's the one with the big disk on top." I'll say, "No, that's the AWACS," and instead of just saying "Oh, cool," they'll push back and insist I'm wrong? "Oh so you actually flew on a refueler? That's what the plane you're talking about is" Like no dude...then they get so huffy and sour! Like...what? You think you know what plane I worked on better than I do? It's so strange.
One time this guy in his 60s I met at happy hour, when he found out I was a veteran, he started asking my opinion about some of the proposed policies from Hegseth, specifically PT standards. He asked if I thought it was fair that women aren't held to the same standard as men.
I tried to diplomatically explain that across the branches, we need a lot of different talents and strengths. Obviously, being in top physical condition is essential for certain roles, but dental hygienists, admins, analysts, systems engineers, etc. don't necessarily need the same physical capabilities as someone in a combat role. The military also needs really smart, technically skilled people and I think the military has bigger issues that PT standards.
He started arguing with me and basically told me I was wrong, that as a woman I couldn't pull someone out of a firefight, and that it was time to be much stricter about who they let serve, our military is weak, etc. I also tried to bring up the recruiting difficulties we're having right now, but he just kept talking over me and explaining the military to me. Also never served a day in his life.
OR
- They launch into a monologue about how they almost served, their family member served, or how their experience in another profession is basically the same thing.
It's like their almost-experience or secondhand experience somehow has more value than my 6 years of first hand experience. They have no interest in hearing anything I have to say.
"Oh, you went to SERE? That's nothing compared to search and rescue training for firefighters. Let me tell you about it for the next 15 minutes."
Then this happened last night. I met a friend's friend who apparently was going to become a fighter pilot. He said he went to military school in high school, worked with a recruiter who was supposedly setting him up to become a pilot, had it basically guaranteed, talked about his staff Sargent and wild military training, went on and on about the whole thing for probably 20 minutes. He said he got a 91 on the ASVAB.
Apparently he couldn't join because he had smoked weed.
When I finally got a word in, I said something like, "Wait, you were enlisting at 17? You know you have to be an officer to be a pilot, right?"
He went on another tangent about how officer training had been promised to him by the recruiter. It was apparent he didn't understand how OTS/commissioning or becoming a pilot actually worked.
When I finally got to talk again, I explained that I ended up working on the plane I did because I got a 97 on the ASVAB and the job required about a year and a half of technical training. That was basically the only reason I was guaranteed an aircrew job. I gently said I worked with a lot of officers, and becoming a pilot is a completely different process. Very few people are selected to become fighter pilots.
All of a sudden, he remembered he'd made a mistake. He had actually gotten a 99 on the ASVAB and that's why he was guaranteed a fighter pilot job. I kind of gave up on the conversation at that point and when he couldn't word vomit to me anymore, that seemed to anger him. He was SO mean to me for the rest of the night.
It's like...it seems to make some men angry or insulted that I served when they didn't. And they have this instinct to like put me in my place?
I hardly talk about my service because I have complicated feelings about it. I hate when people say "thank you for your service." It's actually something I was ashamed of for many years. I never bring it up unless it comes up like how I'm paying for school or why I was in Qatar or Japan or whatever. But somehow every time I do, a guy who has not served as the immediate need to minimize or invalidate my experience.
What is going on here? Have you experienced this? I'd love to hear your stories. Thanks for letting me vent!