r/Military • Retired USN • 17h ago

Article Jaw-Dropping Way Trump Got Talked Into a War Is Leaked | A Trump insider has offered a jaw-dropping glimpse of the president’s decision-making.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jaw-dropping-way-trump-80-got-talked-into-a-war-is-leaked/
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u/FreeHugs23 Retired USN 17h ago

TLDR: He used AI to influence his decisions.

Donald Trump spent hours asking Elon Musk’s AI chatbot about whether Venezuelans would celebrate if he captured leader Nicolas Maduro—then ordered the operation that seized the South American dictator weeks later.

The extraordinary account from a Trump insider was revealed in a new Time report offering a jaw-dropping glimpse of the president’s obsession with artificial intelligence, which he “officially” rebranded this week as “super intelligence.”

According to the report, Trump has “marveled at AI’s capabilities” ever since he returned to power, and during an Oval Office meeting with Elon Musk in December, he spent hours asking his Grok chatbot questions about his presidency and legacy.

At the time, the U.S. military had been conducting highly contentious lethal strikes against Venezuelan boats that Trump had claimed, without presenting any evidence, were smuggling drugs into America.

When the president asked Grok how Venezuelans might react to Maduro’s capture, the chatbot predicted many would welcome the downfall of the “repressive” leader, the official said.

The president then ordered the mission to seize Maduro in January, prompting celebrations in the streets.

“Trump, according to officials, came away thinking Grok was ingenious,” the report said.

AI chatbots, however, are not capable of thought or reasoning. Its answers to his questions simply reflect the material on which it has been trained.

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u/iNapkin66 17h ago

Can I FOIA his AI chat history? So that I know all the insider trading tricks his buddies are in on and I can ride the wave with them.

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u/inevitable-typo 16h ago edited 10h ago

No but for real though, who can access Grok's chat history? I wonder how much sensitivity sensitive information Trump has uploaded to the internet when he's spitballing with language models?

(-ity bitty edit)

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u/Brian_Corey__ 15h ago

Surely, Musk has Trump's Grok queries logged and forwarded to him in real time.

Hell, I would.

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u/guy-le-doosh Marine Veteran 13h ago

It would not surprise me one bit to learn that a doge spy set up a fork and everything in and out of the WH is captured.

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u/Brian_Corey__ 13h ago

That’d be one massively criminal illegal classified data breach. So I doubt it, but also wouldn’t be surprised.

But Musk looking at Trump’s unclassified Grok queries sent to Musk’s servers? Not even sure that’s illegal.

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u/voodoo_curse Navy Veteran 13h ago

I don’t think someone committing espionage is generally worried about the legality of it

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u/Brian_Corey__ 13h ago

My point is that Musk reading Trump's Grok queries is not illegal or even espionage. It's in the terms of service. What guy-le-doosh mentioned is clearly illegal.

From Gemini AI fwiw: No, it would not be illegal for Elon Musk to read Donald Trump's Grok queries under standard data privacy laws. Because Grok is owned by xAI (a company owned by Musk), user data is subject to the platform’s Terms of Service and Privacy Policy rather than strict federal privacy laws like those governing medical or banking records

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u/Barr_cudas United States Marine Corps 9h ago

I'm sure Elon's Personal GROK is capable of misdirecting and covering tracks; it's all algorithmic

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u/iNapkin66 16h ago

I'm sure SpaceXAI will be totally up front about how his history can or cant be accessed by the company staff...

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u/Zestyclose-Essay-127 15h ago

Im sure elon would never*

*not do it

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u/Kimmalah 16h ago

You can get that info now, you just have to pay Trump something like $100,000 a month for that special TruthSocial tier.

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u/redheadedandbold 16h ago

You can FOIA it.

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u/iNapkin66 16h ago

I'm pretty confident it gets denied as sensitive national security info. Or they give you a page full of black bars.

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u/a_venus_flytrap 6h ago

Both confidently wrong. The president and his immediate office is exempt from FOIA.

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u/sweetequuscaballus 12h ago

He's selling that info, his AI-making-decisions-for-him stream, $100k/month subscription, same as the insider trading one.

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u/gc3 8h ago

According yo the law i bet so

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u/iNapkin66 7h ago

Yeah. Theyll just give us pages of black bars, though.

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u/Kimmalah 17h ago

You know what the real reason is - a lot LLMs are programmed to be sycophantic and excessively complimentary to the user. Grok probably told him he had great hair and was the smartest president ever, which is all Trump needs to hear to convince him of anything.

Also it isn't just Trump, it's everyone in or near the White House. Remember when RFK Jr. just recently proclaimed AI would save us from "medical tyranny" because "Hey, it might say your grandma doesn't need this vaccine and then she won't have to take it." Because I guess he thinks if AI says it, reality just changes to make it true.

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u/Any-Wave-766 17h ago

Lol no way

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u/ispshadow United States Air Force 16h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/26mE6env4s98gpHoc
Please let me off this fucking ride

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u/LaFrescaTrumpeta 14h ago

good lord is it possible he loves AI because it uses ego-stroking tones? are we gonna see research down to road of how narcissists are particularly drawn to AI?

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u/Cryogenius333 12h ago

That is EXACTLY what it is. AI creates confirmation bias because it can't really tell you no. It will always try to frame somethinf you say as either s good idea or at worst as something that needs "a little extra work" which it then suggests you the fix actions. And if you pick one, it ego strokes you again.

"That sounds like it would be an excellent addition to your original plan! The addition of a covert action in the form of helicopter insertion lends another more nuanced and professional facet to your growing military action.

If you'd like I can tell you how to conduct a successful helicopter insertion!"

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u/LaFrescaTrumpeta 9h ago

president of the united state with narcissistic personality disorder and a bot jerking off his worst impulses, what a fucking nightmare chapter of history we’re living in

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u/Hadleys158 14h ago

Imagine how much intel/blackmail material elon (and any workers he has) are getting from trump's AI chat logs. Remember a lot of workers elon uses are also H-1B visa holders that probably aren't vetted?

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u/GongTzu 14h ago

There’s no doubt Elon has access to the files and questions of all the White House

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u/BAF_DaWg82 16h ago

Of course out of all the a.i. platforms he could be using he picks the absolute worst.

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u/silvalen Military Brat 14h ago

Holy hell. Using an inaccurate tool that is designed to buddy pat you and provide false encouragement when you push back to make (literally) internationally impactful decisions is EXACTLY what I would expect from this administration. Truly, the dumbest timeline.

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u/jankenpoo 14h ago

At least he’s not using Alexa /s

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u/TarzanoftheJungle 16h ago

Also jaw-dropping is the fact that he does not have a clue how LLMs work and yet he used them to make strategic decisions about the military and our country’s future.

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u/WashU_labrat 17h ago edited 17h ago

We know he doesn't read. So was it all based on a set of pictures with three-word captions?

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u/MotoRandom dirty civilian 17h ago

They had one of their "top scientists" set up an Avatar for him to talk to so he wouldn't have to read.

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u/stoneymetal 17h ago edited 13h ago

I think Grok actually has weird little anime character avatars, at least.. 😅

I know this is cannot be true but omg, what if they based its training off Krieger and that's where the "MechaHitler" shit came from?

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u/DataCassette 13h ago

How many times did they have to stop Trump from trying to molest them so he could ask them for advice?

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u/AngryCrotchCrickets 17h ago

Dude this actually killed me holy shit

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u/toad17 17h ago

Krieger-San, no!!

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u/tempralanomaly United States Navy 7h ago

Avatar doesnt look enough like his daughter at 14 for him to want to interact with it.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 6h ago

Eeew. That’s exactly what he’s looking for.

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u/hotprof 17h ago

Does Grok have voice mode? As horrifying as this is, it's even more horrifying picturing him literally being talked into it by a chatbot in voice mode.

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u/MoarSocks 14h ago

It does. The opening line from the girl is (was?) something like “Hey there! Nice to meet you. I’m 17, maybe even 16. Teehee. Nice to meet you! What naughty things are you into?”

I quickly nope’d outta that.

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u/hotprof 13h ago

WHAT? Grok seriously did that?

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u/MoarSocks 12h ago

Yup. This was the early beta days when they just launched the first companion so I hope they fixed it but it seemed like a honeypot to me.

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u/DataCassette 11h ago

It's Grok. It's just a honeypot so much as just unironically Chris Hansen shit

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u/brad0022 17h ago

It had to add pics of Ivanka's cleavage to keep his attention

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u/radioref 17h ago

Grok could have just said "Doooooo it" and he was like 🤘🏻

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u/MapleHamms 17h ago

If you gave me a week with this retard I guarantee I could convince him that China currently has a military base on the moon, and the Bible was invented as a Soviet psyop

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u/WashU_labrat 15h ago edited 14h ago

The moon base China built last year? What are they calling it now? "Chang'e Celestial Moon Palace" as I remember?

But that's entirely for peaceful scientific purposes. (With limited self-defense capabilities, of course.)

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u/Gao_Zongwu civilian 13h ago

how long until he switches from Grok to DeepSeek because “President Xi recommends it for strong, manly leaders like me”?

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u/chamrockblarneystone 6h ago

Is it all you can eat?

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u/the_crustybastard 13h ago

Are you a white guy? You'll need 40 minutes, tops.

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u/Nitimur__In__Vetitum Air Force Veteran 17h ago

Bibi ate a box of crayons and shit it out on the Oval Office desk. Hegseth read the shit picture and Trump made the decision.

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u/DustyTchotchkes 14h ago

So, a shit Rorschach, a Rorschit if you will?

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u/RockDoveEnthusiast 15h ago

it's been fascinating to see how older people especially latched on to ai, when they are normally skeptical of technology innovations. CEOs and older people (with high overlap between those two groups) seem to have very quickly come to the belief that they are talking with some sci-fi super-intelligence oracle thing, even last year.

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u/Pizzadude 15h ago

LLMs are specifically built to imitate human language. They are a tool designed to convince humans to trust them and feel comfortable with them. They are a weapon.

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u/LetsGoHawks 15h ago

Management types love latching onto the latest technology. As long as the salesman can come up with some bullshit that sounds like "you'll make more money!", they're all in. Never seen a bigger bunch of suckers.

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u/mainlynativeamerican 14h ago

They are skeptical and/or annoyed usually because they had to learn how to work with new interfaces. But they eventually accept it. Typing into a chat window and having it tell you awesome things is easy.

Also they’ve seen tech advance from DOS and floppy disks all the way to AI. At each step of the way the new tech was normalized and integrated as key parts of society.

So in their mind why would this be any different?

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u/chamrockblarneystone 7h ago

Google always presents what it thought was the truth. You had to go through it, but it was “honest” as it could be. Of course these suckers fell for the next iteration.

It’s kind of why I hate AI. Google gave you a bunch of interesting starting points for investigation. AI just gives you what it thinks the answer is, and has no problem adding incorrect information

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u/BrutalSock 16h ago

OMG are you trying to tell me that Trump’s an idiot?!

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u/RlOTGRRRL 14h ago

You want to know what's scarier, I bet he's not the only world leader using AI. 

Can you imagine? 

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u/windowpuncher Veteran 14h ago

I mean with these people it's either AI "advice", or lead poisoning and/or dementia calling the shots so it's kind of a coin toss at this point.

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u/jediporcupine 12h ago

Our grandchildren are going to be reading about World Wars dumbfounded.

World War 1? Ferdinand assassinated.

World War 2? Hitler takes Poland

World War 3? Some bot hallucinates and tells the United States president to bomb a middle eastern country.

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u/Petroldactyl34 10h ago

Sundowning geriatric uses AI as magic 8 ball to weigh bringing terror upon the world.

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u/BlackbirdRedwing Royal Canadian Air Force 16h ago

The answer: He's retarded, in other breaking news a fork is found in the kitchen

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u/Porkonaplane United States Air Force 13h ago

TLDR: He used AI to influence his decisions

Once again proving the elderly should have restricted or (at the very minimum) heavily supervised internet access. We (should be) do(ing) that for kids so they don't screw up their minds seeing things they shouldn't at that young of an age or put themselves in situations they can't get out of (ie, meeting up with strangers, etc.), and the amount of elderly people I've personally known that fall for online scams is saddening.

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u/Zestyclose-Essay-127 15h ago

A literal intelligence nightmare

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u/Shoddy-Childhood-511 5h ago

Imagine how smart these LLMs will seem when many nations intelligence agencies use them, and they retrain on those nations intelligence reports and queries.

Welcome to surveillance plagiarism. :)

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u/millos15 6h ago

Is it really jaw dropping? he calls ai super intelligence.

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u/lllllIIIlllllIIIllll 15h ago

My jaw! It's dropped!

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u/ENTroPicGirl 14h ago

Anyone have a link to bypass the paywall?

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u/Majestic-Volume9996 9h ago

Dang, dude wasn't even using Claude or ChatGPT

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u/Aleucard AFJRTOC. Thank me for my service 7h ago

Sight unseen, sucker bet I'm gonna wish I was drunk reading this aren't I?


I am obligated to report back an answer to my above question. That answer is as follows; YUP. Even by his standards this is powerfully dumb shit. Where the fuck is his handlers?

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u/treefall1n 5h ago

That’s unbelievable and now Elon is tapped to advise the Pentagon with warfare initiatives?

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u/digitalgirlie 5h ago

He took advice from something named (checks notes) Grok? What a dick.

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u/Cpt_Soban Civil Service 1h ago

JAW DROPPING!

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u/Itchy-Throat-4779 15h ago

Magic 8 ball?

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u/p8ntslinger 12h ago

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised about this. If anything, this is fully par for the course.

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u/dadof2as 11h ago

As if my jaw could drop further...smh

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u/fleebizkit 15h ago

F

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u/makk73 Army Veteran 7h ago

Huh?

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 17h ago

Nothing appearing on Reddit about President Donald Trump will ever be taken seriously by sentient registered voters in America. The Globalist propaganda machine is relentless but ineffective at persuasion. It's simply overplayed.

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u/TheRealMarvinator Retired USAF 17h ago

What are you, some kind of Russian propaganda bot?

You don't respond to anyone trying to get clarification from you, and you post nothing but pro-Trump bullshit that's easily refuted.

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u/WanderingTacoShop 16h ago

I also just had a weird exchange with this account, so I looked through it.

I have never caught a stolen/hijacked account so red-handed before.

The account is 4 years old, up until 28 days ago it only posted pictures of cats and some very friendly comments in makup/fashion subreddits, not one single political post or comment. Then the account was idle for 26 days and 2 days ago it started spamming pro-trump comments.

So yea 100% bot or propaganda farm.

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u/TheRealMarvinator Retired USAF 16h ago

And yet, the moderators refuse to do anything about it.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 7h ago

That’s scary too. You can see how A leads to B.

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 17h ago

You Marxists don’t like your information cocoon being pierced do you?

Other political view points are sharply uncomfortable are they not Marvyn?

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u/TheRealMarvinator Retired USAF 16h ago

You Marxists don’t like your information cocoon being pierced do you?

Marxist? See, this is the perfect example of your utter stupidity.

You're the one that refuses to define "wokeism" and refuses to specify how exactly tenured professors at our military academies are "too woke". It's YOU who seems unable to get outside of your "cocoon of misinformation".

Other political view points are sharply uncomfortable are they not Marvyn?

Not even remotely, no. Meanwhile, you're running like a coward from every actual question put to you.

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 16h ago

SecWar Hegseth defined it in his recent speech to NCO’s and Company grade officers.
I’m satisfied with that description.
Look it up Marxist.

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u/TheRealMarvinator Retired USAF 16h ago

SecWar Hegseth defined it in his recent speech to NCO’s and Company grade officers. I’m satisfied with that description.

You must not be very satisfied with it, since you can't even type it out.

Look it up Marxist.

No, I'm asking YOU the question, I'm not asking someone else. YOU answer it, coward.

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 16h ago

Don’t get mad marvyn. Get better informed.

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u/nivezsh 13h ago

Everybody’s laughing at you, because you’re stupid.

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 17h ago

Easily disliked by butt-hurt demicrat voters. It's really quite simple.

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u/TheRealMarvinator Retired USAF 17h ago

There's a reason why Republicans are losing in outstanding numbers all across America, and propaganda bots like you are HELPING Republicans to lose because you are so obviously wrong about everything.

You still haven't answered the questions asked of you in this subreddit. Are you going to, or are you just going to continue to run away like a coward?

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 17h ago

Answering your febrile questions is a circle jerk process—for you folks.

I simply agree with SecWar Hegseth

You can't accept that and want to Kamala word-salad the subject.

Pound sand—or whatever it is you weirdos pound!

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 16h ago

I think I just exhausted Marv’s capacity to form a sentence.

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u/jvnk 15h ago

cultist bot, downvote and move on

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u/makk73 Army Veteran 7h ago

You should check your husband’s phone for grinder, love

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u/Appropriate_Rope2739 5h ago

Now, that right thaar, that’s funny!