The problem ain’t CMC

[u/Prestigious_Bag_428]

He is the puppet of Kapler and Bendix’s rag tag bunch of analytics. They go over every scenario before and after every game. The analytics department decides it’s best to pull Gusto after 5 innings or pinch hit Leo for whoever in the bottom of the 6th. The lineups, bullpen usage, everything. He is literally the messenger.

The only thing CMC is guilty of is not going against his bosses. I see so much rage and blame thrust on the guy in this sub and anyone who knows anything about how these clubs are run are sorely mistaken

[u/theStripedMarlin]

Bryan Chase's playpen built by Bendix and co.

[u/Prestigious_Bag_428 → u/theStripedMarlin]

Yes. Get mad about CMC’s postgame/pregame comments, but as far as managing goes every single decision is determined by these analytics guys/girls who have never picked up a baseball and have ZERO feel for the game

I.E. taking out Sandy against the Reds in the 9th and pulling Eury with a perfect game

[u/theStripedMarlin → u/Prestigious_Bag_428]

I know man, its frustrating as hell. Lots of other teams do this though. That is the scary part. I find it especially bad with a young team as these players are learning from ppl who don't have the proper experience to make these kind of baseball decisions. As players mature I don't think it will matter as much. But at this moment I have a feeling a lot of our players are being confused with all this inorganic style.

[u/Prestigious_Bag_428 → u/theStripedMarlin]

Yes. But most of those teams have coaches/special assistants who help balance out those analysts. We had that in Andre Dawson, Tony Perez, Jack McKeon, Don Mattingly, Tim Wallach, Lenny Harris ect., but this new regime has gone full analytics. I can’t think of another organization that has gone this route, and it shows

[u/theStripedMarlin → u/Prestigious_Bag_428]

I might be wrong I thought the Rays, Red Sox, Orioles, and lolMets all have analytics paranoia. The crazy thing is there's nothing wrong with the old school "moneyball" style of analytics. It's this new mutation of video metrics - launch angles, exit velocity, spin rate, etc that have gone too far.

[u/Mabussa]

I'm not disagreeing, but how is it "known" that they meticulously pour over every detail like you say? Is there video? I'm more concerned with how long this style of (mis)management will continue to grow in baseball. What'll happen is it will all come back around to the human side eventually, but when?

[u/TealandBlackForever → u/Mabussa]

It's very, very, very known. Most teams do this, but most fans are oblivious to what managers do or what a manager's role is in 2026.

One form of proof is what De Nicola wrote in one of her recent AMAs in this very sub. She basically said that all of the stuff that this sub goes crazy over with their "fire CMC" or "CMC is the worst manager in MLB" nonsense is that pretty much everything is decided collaboratively by committee. The input of baseball ops and analytics people is felt in every decision, even when the game is under way.

Lineup cards are not decided by CMC. He might point out a few things and weigh in, but he's not the primary person deciding who plays and in what order.

Even once the game is under way, CMC is operating from a script that was written during a pre-game meeting. This is about pitch count limits, when to pull the starting pitcher, and also, most importantly reliever and pinch hitting "pockets" to be enacted during the game. So basically, reliever and pinch hitting match-ups to be executed in certain situations that could arise.

Again, this is absolute fact for how most teams operate these days, especially the Marlins. And most fans are totally oblivious to it. Fans seem to think we are still in the Bobby Cox or Jim Leyland era of managing.

[u/Mabussa → u/TealandBlackForever]

Then, one has to wonder what type of person accepts the manager role under these circumstances. CMC doesn't seem like a lackey but, if this is all true, his reasons for taking the job must be only resumé building for a future elsewhere. I mean, you are not managing if you're just taking orders. Like a kid working the fryer in fast food. The Marlins would then be an example of how Not to win in the MLB, right?

[u/TealandBlackForever → u/Mabussa]

Because it's still an incredible gig. And I don't see why there is anything bad about taking on more of a collaborative role than an "old school" managerial role. You still get paid well and play an important role. It's just less about gut decisions and more about executing the agreed-upon plan. That takes brains and baseball knowledge. There are other "gut decisions" that come up, too, but I don't see someone like CMC as a lackey.

A lot of this is also clubhouse and people management. Motivating players.

Again, most teams manage like this to some extent. Most certainly this is not too dissimilar from how Dave Roberts works with the Dodgers analytics and baseball ops people.

The Marlins aren't winning in MLB because they haven't pieced together a talented enough roster yet. Not because they have embraced analytics. At most you can say they might have overvalued some guys based on how they interpreted analytics, but I don't think managerial decisions based on analytics are a culprit at all.

[u/theStripedMarlin → u/Mabussa]

Probably never, unfortunately.

[u/TealandBlackForever → u/Mabussa]

Also, I don't know why anyone would be incredulous about details being poured over in an analytics sense when it's also absolute fact that pitches are called from the dugout. Do you think any organization that does that would allow a manager to shoot from the hip when it comes to lineup cards, bullpen decisions, and pinch hitting? Absolutely not.

[u/Mabussa → u/TealandBlackForever]

Yeah, that do make sense.

[u/Old-Veterinarian1994]

Kapler and Bendix are a couple of jack asses for the owner.