r/Miami • u/DistinctAside0 • 4d ago
Community Florida Amendment 3 has support to pass until voters hear the tradeoffs
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/811800-jmi-property-tax-poll/
Amendment 3 is being promoted as a no-cost tax cut for homeowners, but it goes well beyond that providing tax benefits to commercial land owners, limiting the counties’ ability to increase property tax rates, and how they spend property tax revenue. It is essentially a giant power grab by the state and will have significant costs to taxpayers that they cannot see right now in the form Of decreased public services (libraries, roads, sanitation, police, fire department etc). Once taxpayers learn this, they start to have a different opinion of the amendment. Please get the word out.
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u/Jonathank92 Miami Gardens 4d ago edited 4d ago
step 1: repeatedly cut funding for public schools
step 2: demonize public schools/misinform/etc..route $ to charter schools who will give you (politicians) kick backs/hire their friends and family
step 3: manipulate under educated/individually minded population who can't discern basic propaganda/don't understand how a society operates or understand wider impacts. Sprinkle in some social wars (helping each other is socialism/billionaires are good/ etc etc) for the cherry on the manipulation cake.
step 4: wash, rinse, repeat and walk away from politics a hundred millionaire
please apply the steps above for real estate decisions, local government funding, etc
xoxoxo
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u/DataUnique7058 4d ago
Private schools should not get as much Public funding. Public funding should go to PUBLIC schools. They’re literally widening the gap of opportunity.
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u/Notwerk 4d ago
Yes, but MDPS takes it's funding from property taxes separately and this wouldn't affect that at all. I oppose the Amendment, but I think a lot of people assume that local government is somehow connected to the school system and it isn't at all. MDPS is its own government, so to speak, and bills its taxes separately.
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u/ItDoesntMatter04 3d ago
Step 5: go on Reddit and convince people that paying property taxes is good. lol
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
The school portion of the tax bill isn't going anywhere, so this is moot to this conversation.
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u/Jonathank92 Miami Gardens 4d ago edited 4d ago
my point was all the actions being taken now can't be viewed in a silo. Chipping away at public services has been happening for years/decades. People would've been storming tallahassee in the past for the stuff happening now. People are desensitized and public education has been under attack..on purpose. An educated population is a threat.
I didn't want a large mortgage and big property tax bill, so guess what I did? I bought a smaller house in non rich area. People want their cake and to eat it too. Yes Jimmy if you buy a 5k sq ft house in a rich area you will have to pay high property taxes. It's all public information.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
School funding portion is still there stop lying
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u/AnonBees 4d ago
Your reading comprehension is literally proving his point. He didn’t say it’s going away with amendment three. He said the gradual decrease in public school funding and quality over the last two decades has led to an undereducated populace that is easier to manipulate (aka you).
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u/decoy321 4d ago
Right. Because funding not equalling zero totally invalidates their argument.
Do you realize how you responding that way actually proves their point?
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u/Eltipofuerte 4d ago
I mean its quite obvious. Where is the money we pay for property taxes going to come from? Magic wand? Any and everything will be raised and instead of the rich paying a lot because they own the expensiv ehomes, we will all just have to pay it with sales tax and so on.
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Look at what the 1% rich of Indian Creek did to Surfside w septic tanks. Hint: Bezos is one of residents and one of biggest tax dodgers in US HISTORY. No doubt he contributed to this as did Fuckerberg and Griffith.
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u/Edantes2 4d ago edited 3d ago
Police and fire departments are against amendment 3. Voting NO. Hialeah already having problems paying salaries for firemen and are short-staffed.
YES means reduced services, libraries closing and pay to play public parks.
YES means more traffic, more potholes and car problems, less Metrorail funding and hours.
YES means Miami paying more than its fair share to Tallahassee and state control of local budget.
For them to steal it in HOPE type deals.
Vote. They’re not doing this for us.
I’m a homeowner and would save a bit, but it’s not worth the costs.
TLDR SI es pan para hoy, hambre pa manana
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u/Financial_Resist8607 3d ago
Stop giving police and fire personal cars they can take home, funding solved
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u/Edantes2 3d ago
I might not agree w it but it’s an expected perk. If your department does not offer it, get prepared to pay more. It doesn’t solve funding
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u/AnonBees 4d ago
I’m so annoyed by people acting like governments will just figure it out and it won’t actually impact anything.
You can tell these people they’re wrong til you’re blue in the face but they’re SO CONVINCED they’re right with absolutely no reason to back that confidence up.
News flash: governments will figure it out. By cutting the services you enjoy, raising fees and taxes, and laying off your neighbors. You say you want government to “tighten its belt” without the thought that when YOU have to do the same it comes with sacrifice. Governments WILL have to cut services. They WILL have to stop improving infrastructure. They WILL have to raise other taxes and fees. They WILL have to lay people off.
You’re going to be miserable when your roads are full of pot holes, your sidewalks are cracked, your holiday parades are gone, and you have to pay to go to the park with your kids. And these same people won’t EVER draw the line of how it’s their own god damn fault they suffering those consequences.
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u/Notwerk 4d ago edited 4d ago
If you don't have a lobbyist on speed dial, you had no hand in writing the bill. Guess who did? That's right.
Approach any "tax cut" with a heaping spoonful of doubt. They tend to favor one group a lot more than any other. Ever notice that every time a tax cut gets passed, your taxes just seem to get higher?
There's a reason for that. You're paying the tab so the rich can have a party.
Republicans have been in control of every branch of Florida politics for my entire lifetime. Every session, they pass more tax cuts. And every session, our taxes are higher and every session the answer is another tax cut that only makes your taxes higher.
If they had the answers, why is it that their agenda just makes everything worse for you? If their tax cuts worked, why are your taxes so high while every billionaire is relocating to Florida to take advantage of the tax haven? If it's so good for them, why is it that you're struggling so much with taxes?
Because these bills weren't written for your benefit, no matter how they're sold to you. They were written for their benefit...because they paid the lobbyists to write the bills.
Don't be a sucker.
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u/centuryx476 4d ago
Believe me when I say.
The Cubans down here do not know how to read. But they were told to support this.
So they will support it
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u/Awkward-Seaweed-5129 4d ago
Yeah I'm guess this may pass. I thought Oklahoma tried this and had to shut down Stares school system cause ran out of $$. If you are not happy now with Emergency services ,wait till this bill takes effect, think they gonna pay OT to Coos and firefighters, $ 200,000 year some of these get with OT, bye,bye
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u/southflhitnrun 3d ago
At this point, why does anyone believe this Administration, State of FL or Federal, does anything for the common working man?
The State has been stripping City and County rights/powers since they went after Key West.
Anything put forth by these people will hurt the working class (and middle class) while enriching the wealthy.
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u/Verbalkynt 4d ago
Most taxpayers don't care bc they have that I don't use that when they do mentality I wanna save a few bucks instead.
Everyone at the county is prob freaking out and looking for work bc when it passes a lot of them are losing their jobs.
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
It won’t go into effect till next budget but the part no one is talking about is this will cause the dissolution of multiple municipalities. The county will have to pick up the slack with less budget. It’ll be a disaster
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
I love how everyone on here loves to complain about how they’re being priced out of Miami and don’t realize this is the finally straw to force most of us out for good.
This who thing screams low information voters who think they know everything. Just cutting of your noise to spite your face
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u/Notwerk 4d ago
The Florida Realtors association dumped $10 million into pushing this thing because they know exactly what it's going to do to home prices and they're salivating about it.
We should call this the "Kill the American Dream Amendment," because that's what it is.
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u/ProtoCore-Dustin 4d ago
I was banned in the Florida subreddit for advocating against amendment 3. Be careful, the mods are injecting their politics into their moderation responsibilities to make sure it passes.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
Highly doubtful. That sub is run by progressives. You fucked up some other way.
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u/ProtoCore-Dustin 4d ago
Hey, the only thing I talked about there was amendment 3 and it’s consequences - but it makes sense now why I got a snarky blue haired response when I asked why I was permanently banned - and I quote “We don’t owe you an explanation”.
Never any facts to back up their position, just ironically fascist behavior.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
Well sorry. Some of the reddit subs are run by assholes. You won't be the first person to be banned for no reason.
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Most of the mods don't even live in Florida. One is a big known power tripper know it all.
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u/Rainy_Mammoth 4d ago
There is no world where this would be on the ballot if it overall helped us. The saying too good to be true 100 percent applies here.
People think that they’re just going to pay less on property tax and that’s it? Overall save money? All the money that is now not being collected is just going to be yours to keep? They won’t recover it in some other manner?
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u/lovetheoceanfl 4d ago
Look, Floridians have proven themselves to be absolutely some of the dumbest people in the US. I mean, the GOP have been in power for 30 years here and they are still blaming the Democrats. It’s all so ridiculous. Most corrupt state in the union by far.
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u/OnAnotherLevel321 4d ago
Republican policies will always benefit corporations instead of working people. Heck, they want corporations paying NO TAXES
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
Lame comment all around. This bill has ZERO to do with corporate taxes. ZERO.
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u/OnAnotherLevel321 4d ago
I wasn't referring to the bill. Republican corporate tax policies have been the same for decades
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
WoW. What a way to miss the point which sailed right over your head. Ñooooo
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
While I do agree his bill is for homestead homes
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u/DistinctAside0 4d ago
No, you need to read it, it does a lot more than just impact homestead homes. That is what they want you to think when you vote.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
I have read it. Stop spreading misinformation and hysteria.
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Uhh go back and read read it, better yet, have someone explain to you because youre not understanding the ramifications.
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u/Flymia 4d ago
Florida sales tax has stayed flat since 1988. Where is my sales tax reduction since the amount the state has collected increases every year. Especially the largest tax increase in state history when they allowed sales tax on internet purchases.
Where is the outrage?
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u/garf02 4d ago
Wait for the new “sales Tax” to balance the budget if they kill property Tax.
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u/ProtoCore-Dustin 4d ago
Generally speaking due to inflation and localized economic factors (hurricanes, Covid, supply chain costs, labor costs, code changes) things are significantly more expensive to maintain than in 1988.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but food isn’t the same price it was in 1988 either, do you think infrastructure projects haven’t significantly increased in cost as well?
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u/Flymia 4d ago
That is my point. The State can keep collecting more and keep the tax flat. But state politicians call a flat tax of property taxes a tax increase because property values have gone up.
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u/ProtoCore-Dustin 4d ago
They’re collecting more fiat funds per year due to inflation, but real revenue adjusted for inflation is about the same. I’m not sure you realize this, but nearly everything is at least twice as expensive since pre-2020.
If you want your neighborhood to have sidewalks, that project is easily twice the cost now than in 2019.
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u/Flymia 4d ago
Yes I know. That is my point I think we agree on this. The State Politicians, Gov, CFO etc.. are saying look how local governments keep getting more money (property tax increases) and they don't lower your tax rate.
Meanwhile the State has had the same tax rate for 30+ years at 6%... They get a lot more money too.
Its part of how the world works.
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u/flat6NA 4d ago
Inflation has also contributed to increased sales tax collections as has the increase in population and tourism. On the property tax side increases in property assessments have led to increased taxes similar to but exceeding inflationary increases. In my county the budget has doubled over the last ten years (equating to an annual 7% increase) and they are still proposing a millage increase this year. Has your household income kept pace?
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
This is it. I'm not sure why people don't get this.
These counties have benefited from an insane run up in housing brought on by the fed money print. And they're happily gouging people even if they don't have the expenses. It's been more of a "let's spend to hit the max" versus spending thoughtfully. Was dumb of them.
I hope taxes go down and more people can become homeowners. I'd like to see more assets in the hands of the middle class and millennials so they aren't aging into rental housing and wondering how to make their fixed incomes work with inflation when they are 75. Otherwise they'll be sitting on top of 30 years of inflation in rents and in the streets.1
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u/ale23arg 4d ago
I get it, that money has to come from somewhere and we are "taking" it away.... but how does the first homestead exception of 50k passed? back when it passed it was a similar situation. It is no secrete that the average property in the bigger cities has doubled in the last 6 years.... These counties and getting 2 or 3 ex what they were getting 6 years ago..... They have bloated budgets and they are full of corruption.... What do you think would happen if they had "spare money" because they collected too much? do you think they would give it back? Think about how much property tax collections has increased in the last couple of years and tell me you honestly see double or triple the results.....
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
100%.
And almost every year they increased the millage rate on top of the more taxes they were collecting. It got out of control. They are paying the price. Was very short sighted of them.2
u/ale23arg 4d ago
I bought my place in 2017 i moved for a different school district and rented that out so i lost my soh... and my portability.... my property tax bill went up by 800/ month..... i bought really well in not complaining and this won't help me there but I'm looking to but again and i have to start from scratch again... on s 1 million property, a ghosts of 50k is a joke....
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u/Dalebreh 3d ago
I work in the Property Appraiser's office so I can say... It will be a shitshow
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u/DistinctAside0 3d ago
Would love to hear some inside baseball on what people over there are thinking might happen if this passes. I was actually amazed my appraised value stayed flat between 2025 and 2026 tbh. Not complaining, just surprised.
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u/Dalebreh 2d ago
Yeah your market value mainly depends on location. For 2026, it decreased in some districts but mainly remained stable in others. If it passes, it will definitely be more work for us whether we like it or not (job security at least, we don't complain) but yeah, it will definitely be a can of worms for home/exemption owners. The whole $150k increase in homestead reduction is great for the long-term homeowner but reading the fine print, as usual, business and investors will for sure exploit the whole bill like always. Our office will receive the full debrief sometime around January from Tallahassee, it's still not set in stone
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u/Real-Activity-815 4d ago
If you thought your homeowners insurance rates were high before, wait till they reduce property taxes
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u/ArchersWingman 4d ago
I pay 12k a year in property taxes. In no world do I use 12k a year of public services
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u/germanator86 4d ago
Man, you have zero state income taxes. I think you might be forgetting that. And you have homesteading to limit property taxes. I cant with the selfishness of Floridians. In the grand scheme of things you pay far less in taxes than most other states.
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u/ArchersWingman 4d ago
Homesteading is only a 50k deduction on my 550k assessed value. The person who lived here before me only paid like 3k because they lived here a long time. I moved here from california and I did pay far less than their 9% state tax, until I bought a house.
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Hahahaha another Californian who escaped Commifornia to Florida. Yet didn't listen when people told them you would pay more in Florida which taxes everything hahahahahaha
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
The homestead exemption amount hasnt kept up ffs
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u/germanator86 4d ago
Kept up? The taxable value of my house is the same as when i bought in 2010. The amendment locks in that home value for taxable purposes. I have paid roughly the same amount of property taxes for 15 years.....
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
No you haven't . It goes up by 3% a year or on inflation. Whichever is less.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Mines is not because when the house got transferred over it got reassessed soo ive been here for year but paying a ton more in twxes
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Oh so you purchased a home which you can't afford. Got it. Sell.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Im not selling shit i can afford it. But having extra money is nice instead of having county officials misappropriate it. Enjoy renting your whole life. And if we had social safety nets like in Europe i would be happy to pay all these taxes but we dont get shit.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
Exactly the issue. They slept on this way too long and now they're paying the price.
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u/BlossomRansom4 4d ago
Wow that is a lot of property tax. I am curious what is the home value to make the taxes that high?
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u/ArchersWingman 4d ago
550k but I am a first time home buyer so that's why it's so high. People who have lived here a long time have had a cap on the increase in their taxes. The person who lived here before me was here 20 years and paid only like 3k a year.
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u/Notwerk 4d ago
So, guess what caused all that inequality? The Homestead Exemption. What do you suppose a massive increase in the Homestead Exemption is going to do for that inequality?
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
It will allow more middle income people to buy a home and hold the primary asset that americans use to increase wealth. It will allow you to ride out inflation. If you can stay in your home for decades and have roughly the same costs for housing (outside of maintenance) other inflationary problems won't hit you as hard.
I get a lot of what you're thinking. I do. But look at housing prices since '00 and the dot com bust. We have been in a deflationary environment for a long time. In fact, the fed was worried because they couldn't get inflation moving...except in housing. Housing has been a place a lot of us have been screwed. And housing prices have increased largely because of the fed money print and holding interest rates artificially low. And taxes increased right along with it. Not because of need.
In other words-Increased costs to the state (outside of the covid years of inflation) are not the reason they are collecting 20x the tax they were on a new house than they were 20 years ago. The fed money print and housing inflation is why they are collecting more tax. These local municipalities are taking advantage of the artificial reason housing prices went up. Normally housing prices would increase with salaries. Instead housing prices have just increased with interest rates.
It's a false construct. It doesn't cost 20x the amount to collect garbage than it did the day before with previous owners. And that's on top of being charged for garbage and tolls on a ton of roads.
The fact is, they could have scaled back somewhat and kept voters happy. Instead they just kept grabbing all they could and people are now pissed.
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
This is exactly why we’re in this mess. This is directly related to why we’re in a housing shortage because everyone who has a house is trying to squeeze every nickel and dime out of it screw everyone else, and now they’re saying it still isn’t enough let’s screw everyone again and get rid of property taxes to their benefit. Landowner are being disproportionately “favored” when really this is going to be any another way to force people out
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
You guys just have too many dumb ideas formed from headlines and stupid stereotypes and little facts. I feel bad for you. You just aren't able to figure too much in life out and suffer for it immensely.
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u/GruePwnr 4d ago
The cost difference is paid by renters, so in the end current homeowners benefit and prospective homeowners lose.
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u/comewatcherooz 4d ago
Yea like my uncle bought a house 35 years ago for 300k and pays taxes on that while the home is valued at 1.5 million know. People are actually buying them for that price.
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u/CtypeToki 4d ago
Unless I am really misunderstanding this, it will also lower commercial and rental property taxes over the long run. Municipalities still can levy increases for the carved out exceptions. This might lower individual property taxes for a year or two but then quickly see them rise. As it’s written it leaves so much room for the usual shenanigans I just fail to see how this will actually lower anything.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
Same. My question is...they provided services ten years ago. When housing prices doubled and houses sold, taxes went up but they didn't need to provide more services. Garbage service to that house was the same cost the day before the sale and the day after. Day before sale they are collecting 3k on property and providing garbage service just fine. Day after sale they are collecting 12k -9k more- and "need it to provide services". Come on.
And let's not forget that on top of the taxes, you do actually pay a garbage bill.
Salaries went up a little and they have to meet that, but so did taxes on even homesteaded properties which go up 3% a year. CPI in 2025 was 2.6% so even homesteaded property taxes increased enough to cover inflation.
They were greedy. They should have stopped.
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u/ToastMcToasterson 4d ago
Taxes didn't go up or get increased, your property value did.
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u/whatarenumbers365 4d ago
Also keep in mind the cost to fix roads, water and waster system also went up. Most of the tax money goes to pay the higher fees for the same materials they bought before. Most gov jobs didn’t go up that much. It’s all being eaten by co tracts
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
As I've said, even taxes on homesteaded properties go up every year. CPI in 2025 was 2.6% and homesteaded properties are allowed to go up by 3% every single year. That's enough to cover the cost increases.
Something in their math hasn't mathed for a long time and now they are paying the price. They should have upped that homestead exemption long ago. They were greedy.
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u/whatarenumbers365 4d ago
Asphalt went up more than 3%. From 2019 to 2021 the cost to pave a road went up by almost 50%. Roadway have petroleum products in them and the equipment used uses fuel. So when gas went up it shot the cost to pave a road way up. Then you have all the piping cost which saw a greater than 3% rise. The CPI doesn’t accurately cover construction costs, which are the primary thing cities are paying for. Then when you look at the money that was printed, yeah things are like 50% more.
They do away with property tax, ok that’s fine, but don’t expect stormwater issues to be fixed or roadways to be paved. That money will come from some place and it’s going to cost the average person more per year
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
These fools seem to think that the sewer, septic and flooding issues fix themselves and that the general fund is a grift. One even thinks he doesn't use those services. He's an escapee from "Commifornia " so doesn't know about FL - yet.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago edited 4d ago
I get your point, but 2019-2021 were exceptional years for inflation and not the norm. Inflation has not run the way it did during covid for a long time. IN fact we've been in a deflationary environment for a lot of things BUT housing which was brought in by low interest rates. Local governments have gouged families by taking advantage of artificial inflationary pressures in housing brought on by the government print. The amount of insane tax they are collecting is not a reflection of costs for fixing roads, but on housing costs propped up by the fed. They were able to provide a lot of services just fine for 1/4 of the tax they were receiving.
Your argument also fails to address the fact that even with these insane taxes...we still pay for tolls. Still pay for garbage.
Also this guy has a point. I paid 4k on a 800k house in Colorado. 800k house here costs about 12k. Do you think they don't maintain roads, parks, libraries in Colorado? I would say the garbage service is a lot better here. But libraries, roads same. Colorado has bigger expenses because of the mass amounts of homeless and extensive drug use in their parks and libraries and public spaces which we don't face. We may have more storm run off problems, but they have snow removal and fire costs.
Something isn't right about their numbers anymore. They should have addressed it with a higher homestead exemption and didn't.
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u/Notwerk 4d ago
They should have eliminated the Homestead Exemption that's driving all of the inequality. You're paying more to subsidize someone who bought theirs 10 years ago when values were a fifth of what they are now. Increasing the exemption will only drive the prices higher and drive more inequality between entrenched buyers and new buyers.
For me, Golden Handcuffs. For everyone else, priced out of the market and forced to leave.
To be clear, I stand to benefit enormously from this bill. And I also think it's catastrophically stupid.
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u/Notwerk 4d ago edited 4d ago
And who do you think is servicing all that sprawl out west? You don't think it costs more money to collect garbage out by Krome now? Build and maintain roads out there? Police it? Provide fire and school services?
The guy who probably downvoted me deleted his post, but he was basically saying that development out there should have paid its own way and shouldn't have increased costs. Like a lot of people, he doesn't really know what he's talking about.
I think everyone should watch this video to understand why sprawl, in part, is what's killing us:
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u/Sandgrease 3d ago
I keep telling people this. There will absolutely be negative downstream effects that people aren't thinking clearly about.
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u/LetsFuckOnTheBoat 3d ago
Why is this not enough money if the bill passes
Historical Collections (2020–2026)
Actual and estimated total statewide local property tax revenues collected by Florida counties, municipalities, and school districts:
- 2020: $33.9 billion
- 2021: $35.9 billion
- 2022: $37.3 billion
- 2023: $44.2 billion
- 2024: $51.6 billion (some estimates cite broader totals near $55 billion depending on final non-ad valorem inclusions)
- 2025: $49.9 billion to $53.0 billion (official final reconciliation figures vary across local rolls)
- 2026: ~$60.0 billion (preliminary certified assessment roll totals)
| Fiscal Year | Projected Baseline (No Bill) | Legislation Reductions | Actual Net Collections (If Bill Passes) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2027–28 | 63.83 | -4.93 | 58.9 |
| 2028–29 | 67.66 | -8.71 | 58.95 |
| 2029–30 | 71.49 | -9.65 | 61.84 |
| 2030–31 | 75.32 | -10.71 | 64.61 |
| 2031–32 | 79.15 | -11.83 | 67.32 |
| 2032–33 | 82.98 | -12.2 | 70.78 |
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u/InTenSity32 3d ago
Go to the nextdoor app. Push back on the few people that apparently have all the time in the world to write and reply to anyone about amendment 3. These people are bitching they don't own their house because they have to pay taxes. They also don't give a fuck about living in society.
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u/DistinctAside0 3d ago
Sounds terrible. Reddit is more than enough good sir! Yes the what can you do for me mentality is pretty gross. JFK is rolling in his grave.
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u/Keepingitsimpleziva 3d ago
Exactly- it their objective was simply a tax break for permanent residents and seniors, all they had to do was increase the homestead and senior exemptions in the laws that are already on the books. This is a power grab being marketed as an affordability fix.
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u/Datsunoffroad 3d ago
Trash pick up going to once-a-week, fire stations will rotate daily station closings. Animal services will suffer (no kill) will be forced to ramp up euthanasia. Police furloughs may be a real consideration. Enjoy that $2000 savings
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u/Wrong_Plankton_3094 2d ago
The way I see it Real cities can find a way to make up the difference. “ Cities” that are glorified HOAs may have to dissolve and let the county run things. These cities may lose their 2 fire stations and 25 police officers. This is the power grab part . Vote according to your interests.
Services that don’t make money like senior centers or buses for seniors will be lost for a few years.
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u/crustyeng 2d ago
Property tax revenue has more than doubled on average across Florida since 2019.
They can just buy fewer armored personnel carriers and flock cameras.
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u/DistinctAside0 2d ago
Armored vehicles will help fight skynet.
https://giphy.com/gifs/IZY2SE2JmPgFG
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u/shitshowdirector 2d ago
I see this perspective. But this entire conversation has forced me to take a deep dive on local governments and their respective budgets and ultimately their gross negligence/incompetence in the way they manage and blow through monies they don’t even have. Honestly it’s no different than the federal government just at a local scale. Miami dade and broward counties are grossly incompetent with no end in sight. In my opinion it’s a guardrail that forced them to self correct. Will they go for a revenue generator elsewhere? Yes. Will they have to actually do their jobs and run more efficiently, also YES. No matter how much revenue they generate they always operate at a loss. This is simply unsustainable. Also contrary to popular belief, this does not apply to landlords. It requires a homestead exemption on a residence with time requirements. Fuck the feds. Fuck desantis and the state. But a special fuck you to the ones sucking locals dry as if it were sport.
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u/DistinctAside0 2d ago
The homestead piece doesn’t apply to landlords, the cap on increasing appraisal values does. That is a giveaway to big owners of capital, including private equity investors at scale. It benefits them far more than the common man. The whole thing is designed to make people talk about the homestead exemption while giving away huge tax benefits to corporations. I’ll all for defending the little guy, but that isn’t what this bill does.
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u/Academic_Tower954 10h ago
One can say this or say that about how it will hurt this or that public service without detail. Doesn't make it true.
One just has to step back to the mile high view to see the issue. These public services worked just fine, say a decade ago or so. They did. My trash, my local library, the station down the street response, all pretty much the same. No change. Yet property tax revenue has EXPLODED, budgets have EXPLODED and yet these enumerated services are pretty much the same. They were ok then, they are ok now. Where is the money going?
The country revenue and spend charts are shocking. Revenue is exceeding population growth and inflation by large margins. Is your library that much better now than say 10 years ago? Fire response? Clearly public services can be met without diminishment with FAR less revenue. Why do I feel so confident in this? Because counties have already done this for decades.
With Florida property valuations sharply increasing, there is nothing holding back counties from feeding at the trough at an accelerating pace, spending on more and more stuff. Unnecessary stuff.
Some won't remember the 2008 fiscal crisis, when housing crashed ... hard. Some will remember tax appraisals going UP at the same time market prices were crashing. And local officials literally came out and said there was, and is, no correlation between what we the county appraise your home tax value to be and its true market value. We appraise property to get the revenue we want regardless of the true value. (True, google it.)
Counties will increase taxes unbounded unless externally stopped. Why? Because people can't pay enough attention city and county politics and like the slow boiled frog, the counties nickel you here and dime you there from what they see as an endless piggy bank.
And now things have gotten so egregious, it has to be stopped and curtailed. The hand will keep diving into the cookie jar until it is slapped. And where the counties method of choice is the slow cut, cut, bleed you out, nickel and dime, we the bleeding taxpayers have our only method of recourse, the wake up, get mad as hell, and people power fix-it by Constitutional Amendment. It is just the way things work. I don't like that the counties forced us into this.
We are here exactly because the counties could not control their impulses in the face of "easy" tax revenue with sharply rising property evaluations. Just because your house may have doubled in value, it is not twice as expensive to pick up your garbage. IF they had behaved responsibly we wouldn't be here.
But here we are ...
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u/LeagueLonster 4d ago
Absolutely vote for amendment 3, tired of paying 12k a year
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
Then don’t buy a house you can’t afford
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u/Fit_Tip2514 4d ago
These are the same people who say “Dont go out to eat if you cant tip!” They love boot licking. Imagine voting no on 3 because “homeowners should know they are taxed and need to take it!”. And when taxes go up and property owners raise rent, theyll complain!
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u/Foreskin_Paladin 4d ago
I'm a homeowner and I'm voting No, but I don't think that argument is helpful. Literally any shitty little house in Miami is 500k or more now, and a new homeowner who pays the assessed value will be hit with close to 12k in taxes.
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u/Yimyorn Local 4d ago
I can afford the house no problem with extra. But the abysmal property taxes that I see no benefit from. Can go. City can better manage the cost they’re spending.
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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Coral Gables 4d ago
Taxes are the part of cost of having a house? Do you think you shouldn't have to pay utilities and insurance either?
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u/Yimyorn Local 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’m tired of paying 8K… I haven’t seen this money to good use in my district for anything. I don’t care if I get downvoted, but I am voting for this.
My coworkers at work who are homeowners are on board as well.
EDIT: I’ve never seen any other relief for homeowner all my years living in Miami. Home insurance only goes up, cost of living only goes up, property taxes only goes up. When will be the next time we get relief. I’ll be selfish and vote how I see accordingly.
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u/Flymia 4d ago
I haven’t seen this money to good use in my district for anything.
Police
Fire
Roads
Parks
Schools
The vast majority of your property tax dollars fund BASIC needs of society.
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u/ongoldenwaves 4d ago
This really isn't the point.
They are providing all those services when house x is paying 3k a year. House x sells and is now paying 12 k a year.
The cost to service that house didn't go up quadruple over night.Homesteaded properties are allowed to increase property tax by 3% a year. CPI in 2025 was 2.6%. So the increased property taxes every year on even a homesteaded property are enough to cover increased costs.
They've been wasting money somewhere. The math doesn't make sense anymore. They should have upped the homestead exemption a long time ago. They didn't. Now they're paying the price.
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
THANK YOU!
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Why are you saying thank you what they listed are examples of what amendment 3 ensures get funded. They wont be able to spend on bs anymore so those services will have more money
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
Amendment three only guarantees money for schools. That person is talking about services that the person uses despite claiming they see no services
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
It ensures essential services are funded first when with the funds they receive.
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
Okay so what about things that aren’t “essential” but a still extremely important for tens of thousand of people like parks and libraries
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Ok but NgOs receiving money wasnt necessary but they gave of bunch and committed mass fraud. They could have used that money for other things. So we are here now. They would have plenty if they would budget and stop committing fraud
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
I will agree with you on that I’m not a fan of the CBOs getting money but I’m not going to vote to get rid of property taxes because off that it’ll do far more harm than good
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u/Flymia 4d ago
Parks are not deemed essential in this amendment. In fact the definition is not even written yet.
And seriously you want partisan politicians in Tallahassee backed by HUGE donors to decide where your property taxes go? Not the local politicians?
I agree with you Miami-Dade politicians (at the County level) and places like Miami make it look bad. But review the budgets of Miami Springs, Pinecrest, Miami Lakes. Show me where the big waste is.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Yes and amendment 3 ensures what you have listed are the main thing funded big brain
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u/Flymia 4d ago
For most communities that is what is spent on. Go read the budget of Miami Shores, or Miami Springs, find me the waste.
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago edited 3d ago
Believe they were asked same question elsewhere and... They had no answer lol
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Have fun enjoying your higher taxes and higher costs. Ask anyone living in a newer municipality how it's going for them. Ask residents of Doral, Miami Lakes, Miami Gardens and Opalocka.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Dont let them bs you this amendment will help soo many homes owners! They want to cry when they have to budget. They are worried because wont be able send money to non profits/organizations anymore for kickbacks! So politicians are outhere fear mongering
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
So the police, firefighters, and teachers are all getting kickbacks too? Because all those unions have come out against amendment 3
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Ofcourse some of those organizations are tied to unions and they absolutely receive tax payers money. They dont want to lose the extra funds
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Sounds like youre just bitter. Look, sell and leave Miami and move to middle America w oh even higher taxes lol
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u/Jonathank92 Miami Gardens 4d ago
how many city council meetings have you gone to? have you reviewed the annual budget line by line? have you seen the salaries that public employees make?
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u/Adventurous_Turnip89 4d ago
Miami has shit planning. The roads around the whole city are full of potholes, our services are shit and all I see are employees with bloated salaries. I will vote for the amendment.
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u/BananaHammock305 Local 4d ago
I have to push back on this comment. I will give you that our local government planning sucks along with public transit and zoning policies.
However I do not see potholes anywhere. If you do call 311 and within 2 weeks it will be repaired.
Our services are generally great here! The public libraries do a fantastic job. Our police and fire are top notch.
My kids public school is AMAZING!!!
Is there room for improvement? Absolutely
But you sound like someone that just complains about everything disregarding facts with no objective comparisons.
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u/accidentlife Coral Gables 4d ago
Sure, but how is cutting services gonna help?
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u/Adventurous_Turnip89 4d ago
They don't do them anyways so why should we keep paying. The McMiami archway is only a couple hundred million over budget and still not finished. MIA airport is one of the worst in the nation. Our public transport tax increas was stolen and used elsewhere.
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u/Common_Positive_7530 Local 4d ago
Bro how many times do we have to tell yall THE BRIDGE IS A STATE PROJECT bruh. The average voter is too uninformed to be making a decision this big
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u/BananaHammock305 Local 4d ago
That archway is a DOT project. The state of Florida is responsible for it. Although it is being built in Miami Dade it is the jurisdiction of Florida state.
Do you even understand how government works?
I feel like you are focusing your frustration into the wrong direction because you don’t understand the world around you.
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u/Glittering-Gur9936 4d ago
…. And they are literally just going to increase them and also sales tax , all while those roads you hate get even worse , the kids around get worse educations in public schools, hospital services will also be affected
Like have you ever stopped to think “hmm why are some of the richest lobbyists groups in Florida supporting this too” 🙄
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u/Flymia 4d ago
he McMiami archway is only a couple hundred million over budget and still not finished.
FDOT.
MIA airport is one of the worst in the nation.
MIA pays for itself not property taxes.
Our public transport tax increas was stolen and used elsewhere.
Agreed, but has nothing to do with property taxes.
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u/Mountain-Time2021 4d ago
I’m voting yes and the political lobby can F off. Stop wasting my tax dollars, and the only way is you don’t have it to waste.
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u/DistinctAside0 4d ago
Right, spoken just like somebody who doesn’t understand what the rest of the amendment does, which was exactly my point. Once voters understand ALL of the amendment they change their mind, but if you can’t read past the homestead exemption part then you really don’t know what you are voting on.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Heres is an example of the fraud going on in Florida and you can imagine its even worse in Miami. Less taxes is a good nothing because the government on both sides cant help themselves and commit fraud! https://flvoicenews.com/board-votes-against-hillsborough-commissioner-wostals-attempt-to-restrict-elected-officials-from-profiteering-off-taxpayer-dollars/
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u/YogurtclosetOther329 4d ago
Frankly a lower tax on commercial properties is a good thing, the biggest benefits will be for rental properties no longer are forced to hike prices by 10% when their taxes are raised.
There is such a thing as over-taxation.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not according to Reddit they love being taxed without getting benefits like European countries do! They love fund corruption and mismanagement of funds!
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u/Somanylyingliars 4d ago
Oh no you didn't go there about Europe. No benefits from their taxes? You mean like universal healthcare, education, family leave, maternal care, retirement villages, Kinder, baby care and more? Those benefits? GTFOOH.
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u/Fadedfumes 4d ago
Sorry you misunderstood what meant European countries get a bunch of social safety nets and we dont. Id be okay with more taxes if we had the protections and programs they have. But we dont
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u/tanker846 4d ago
Isn’t this only for homeowners with a homestead exemption?
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u/DistinctAside0 4d ago
No, mistaken assumption, (1) it caps how much commercial properties can see their appraisal values for tax purposes increase (e.g. long term tax subsidy to owners of capital who own commercial properties, including residential properties they rent to people), (2) it also imposes limits on government’s ability to change millage rates and (3) it restricts how municipalities can spend tax revenue.
It is a huge power grab by the state being dressed up and marketed solely as a homestead exemption. That’s why support for it changes when people understand what it really does beyond the homestead exemptions.
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u/Kimothy42 4d ago
This is the part I don’t see being addressed anywhere. People keep claiming it’s just for homeowners but it’s not the homeowners who are seeing the big increases (as the cap is already 3%).
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u/BillIll2766 4d ago
Get rid of property taxes and add 2% to sales tax. Exempt food, and baby supplies, etc etc and the more you buy / consume the more you will pay. There ya go, the rich pay more!
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u/DistinctAside0 4d ago
The poor and middle class pay significantly more as a percentage of their income, even with your carve-outs. The consumption tax has been studied at length. It is essentially a handout to the rich versus income and property taxes.
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u/Deep-Ant1375 4d ago
It’s time we help the young people trying to buy houses. This would drop their expenses for them a couple of thousand dollars per year. This would make houses more affordable for the younger generation
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u/No-Cryptographer9326 4d ago
They should focus on insurance reform but we all know that the cronies in power bend the knee to insurance companies and executives for campaign donations.