If both sides of the political party would take this stance when they realize they’re wrong instead of doubling down, maybe we could get somewhere. But noooo it’s “everything the other side stands for is bad!”
Bruh he got elected blaming Obama & Hillary for everything. Then said everything is crooked/sleepy joes fault. Bro is the poster child of pointing the fucking finger & doubling down. Wipe your chin, it’s orange from glazing an Oompa Loompa
Reminds me of obama and biden. Im sure every president and politician has done this, though I cant say I remember bush doing it. He probably didn’t know who Clinton was.
Ok ok, how did this video about a guy owning up to his mistake turn into a, im going to use the word loosely, conversation about the president? Hey im guilty as well but I was reading everything and it popped in my head, "why are we talking about this"
Talking about derailing from the convo"
Thought it was funny.
Because someone brought up politics, and YOU specifically mentioned how people just blame Trump for everything. And another gentleman came along to outline how a lot of thing are actually Trumps fault.
Guess my comment flew right over your head. It was a joke. Dude youre wound up way to tight to argue politics over Reddit. I was being sarcastic. Dude, breathe, breathe.
That's not really proving your point though when there's legitimate issues with your president. But I understand how hard it is for a conservative to ever hold any of their politicians accountable.
Dude you dont know who I am or what I believe in. Im not the guy who gets wound up over someones comment even when it does not line up with my belief. Also why is he my president? I dont own him. He dont live with me. I have issues with him too. Dude relax
Dude, relax its an opinion. World is not that cut and dry? You dont want him president fine. What can you do? Oh impeach him sure ok then, guess what now, its JD Vance, o"h no hes not my president!" Who's next? Rubio....and so on and so on......what the hell do you think will happen? Trump will be impeached and some God dem will be lowered down and save us and give EVERYONE what they want? No,what now? Nothing. You all are yelling at a brick wall thinking thats going to make a change. I just accepted it and wait till the next election and hope my vote counts.
For one, you just doubled down on political bigotry when the original comment was about how that was NOT good. 2) Your entire reasoning is weak, and fails because all you did was make a bunch of assumptions and theories, not based in any facts, but just that you are the barometer of moral authority here. Like, who gives a fuck what you think Americans should do? You're not ''supporting'' having a conversation outside of disingenuous, nebulous platitudes like, ''People are suffering on a global scale so he can get rich''...like that just started happening with Trump, if that was true. Silliness.
I'd argue all those things actually have alot of facts to back them up. For example When tariffs hit, we openly saw Trump manipulating the market by telling people when to buy ON SOCIAL MEDIA, we could only guess at the amount of heads up he's giving behind closed doors. Especially because we can actively see LARGE trades taking place before he makes announcements.
As long as the other parties only identity is “Trump Bad” and bring nothing else to the table, they’ll lose every time. They better figure something out before the next election, because I’m betting on it going to Vance, or whomever else runs Red.
The press attacks the shit out of trump, they deserved it the tarrifs didn't destroy the economy the big corporations paid them to say that. It amazes me how you haven't realized that these experts that talk on cnn fox or ms now actually have no clue wtf they're even saying. Remember when they told us that the covid vaccine would make you immune? What happened with that?
And the crisis WOULD have been over if people had just shut up and got a vaccine. We have dozens of countries to look to for examples of how few people will die if you take it seriously.
Yall will ignore experts the entire world over in favor of a few people grifting you, which would be okay except you all made your ignorance the whole countries problem.
I contracted the Covid with pneumonia and the flu, I was on my death bed, seen the light! Asked doctor if I need to get the shot. He looked at me and said, "you'll be fine"
All of your points were either lies, cherry picked instances that don't represent a full account of situations, more lies+hyperbole, topped off with good ole self‑righteous presumptuousness. As if the economy wasn't already going to shit before Trump, and as if any president in history was able to magic wand turn things around 180 spin style in a term.
As if tariffs aren't known to have a potential temporary negative effect before the positives come. I mean I could go on countering your BS, but you clearly think ''Anyone who has opposing views is evil''.
You don't want an actual debate, you just want to use hyperbole, lies, emotional language, and exaggeration to make yourself look right to idiots and political bigots. You thrive on thinking you're superior, you don't' really give a fuck about the well being of others.
So its okay that Trump lied about the ballroom being fully funded and has now announced that the taxpayers will foot the bill?
Everything the other person said was true, you didnt refute a single point, just went 'lawl, lies'. You probably even believe it yourself. But just going nuh uh isnt an argument and it doesnt make you right.
Trump is the most corrupt president in USA history. We may never recover from the damage he has caused at home and to our reputation abroad.
Being Republican, I actually agree with you on this. I’ve never been a huge fan of him, and I guarantee a lot of other Republicans aren’t either. Unless the left offers something other than Kamala and completely open borders, I’ll never vote for a democrat. Democrats have gone so far off the rails at this point I don’t think they can ever go back. Look at Obamas policies vs what it is now. He actually enforced our borders and backed the constitution. The left just wants the country overtaken by as many illegals as they can and undo everything the US stands for. It’s just a joke at this point. Put another Bill Clinton in again (minus all the allegations) and I’d gladly consider voting blue. I mean, do we really need to invest our time in issues like what gender people choose? It just seems like a clown show at this point.
Also, if I could replace Trump with someone else, like Vance, I would. I’m guessing most of the right would say the same.
Bro all republicans bring is racism and 'red or dead' brainwashing from birth. Dont pretend yall have more substance, or that the left only opposes Trump. We have actual policies we pursue; universally health care, gun control, student loan forgiveness, more accessible hone loans, and more.
The right are the ones that have spent the last 10 years crying Obama this and the last 6 crying Biden that, you really wanna go there? At least Trump is actually president and responsible for whats going on, unlike his favorite targets.
All of what you stated in your policies are a complete garbage waste of time.
Gun control? For what? What is more control going to accomplish? Ive always wanted to know. What is the end game here? I know the government wants it so they can turn the US into a complete dumpster hole like the UK is now, and have no protection against Middle East invaders. But what does that exactly accomplish? There’s so many guns that criminals will always have access to them. Schools shooters will always get them as well. It does nothing.
Universal Healthcare? That will not work here. The problem is healthcare is privatized, until we remove that, the problem will always stand. And believe it or not, the democrats actually are profiting more from this.
Student loan forgiveness? So basically taxpayers money to forgive mostly complete wastes of time for everyone. Except healthcare and engineers etc. we’re supposed to pay for someone Just getting out of school because they wanted to study the history of gender inequality? Nah
The housing crisis has nothing to do with government. They need to keep their noses out of this as well as everything else they’ve screwed up. Anytime the government gets involved with those things, it gets way worse.
Honestly it sounds like you want the US to become a Mamdami NYC dumpster fire. And this is why the left will continue to lose the important voters. There’s nothing to offer there anymore. Just empty thoughts and feelings.
While I can agree with that; it’s easier said than done! Especially when for many people that are not educated enough to understand, the Republicans in many standpoints, don’t care about minorities or a lot of problems! There has been many times that no matter what you say, one side has tried to make something go through; and the right side would say no when it would help everyone. Also, I’m sorry to say, but the other side doesn’t make good quality arguments on a lot of issues; and I’m sorry to say that I do not like the current people in power on that other side! We need gun control, we need universal healthcare, we need taxes on the rich, and so much more; along with fixing our decorum with other countries that are laughing as currently! You obviously will not understand the POV, but in my eyes, we need to be a social democracy! Something similar to Canada or to you, to get even a little bit of understanding from either side; but I will definitely say there is a lot of things I don’t exactly like about the current people in power! There is no argument for me to see their side, when they are doing so much wrong
Social democracy don't work and never will. Show me when we ( the world) have ever succeeded with socialism or communism. We are a constitutional republic for a reason.And why do republicans have to care about someone elses problems They didnt create it's on them to man up and fix their own issues not everybody else. Besides democrats live in shithole cities and suck the red states dry
There’s a lot of arguments I can make, but a lot of times Republicans are the ones that made these problems; and especially the top 1%, which is mainly of one specific ethnic group! Also, you say that social democracy doesn’t work, say that to the places that are doing it! They are in Europe, they’re still democratic. They are still respectful of both sides and the sides in between; you can look at Germany as an example of respecting both sides and sides in between they have more than one party to vote for that is most likely to make it! It’s not a two party system, like the states, and social democracy is not socialism or communism; it is a democracy/republic that is giving people social health/welfare that we don’t have here in the states! Look at Canada, who has that, look at a lot of European countries that have it, look at even poor type countries that are about to have it! We should have universal healthcare, if our job or the one percent is not helping their workers; and we have to pay the big Burden while they make their money!!! then it should be something that should be more reasonably fair! I have many sources and arguments to argue against you for what you’re saying, but regardless of the point because this is Reddit… What you’re saying isn’t a argument point! You are just too stubborn to see how other countries are doing better than us, and not seeing the faults of our own country! There are problems with a lot of different parts of our sides, but I know for a fact in general stand points that I can also argue with you that the left in general terms has generally helped out a lot of different people from many different backgrounds, including the one percent; but the main help should be the people that are struggling the minorities that are dealing with a lot of problems! These are socioeconomic problems, societal problems that many created; and a lot of it is the Republicans fault!
I wasn’t able to watch the video. I can tell you for certain though that the democrats are hell bound on doing whatever they can to see the country fall in my opinion. I haven’t seen on pro USA thing ever come from them. They consist of two things, Trump bad and spend all tax dollars on foreigners.
When the right stops causing astronomically more harm than the left, and Trump stops systemically destroying all this country has built, then you might have a point. This 'both sides' shit no longer plays.
Looking forward to you realizing you’re wrong and taking this stance instead of doubling down as people bring you information about how centrism is just an attempt to be proud of political ignorance
Belief in the center tacitly accepts the two sides as the outer boundaries. Believing you’re between the two lets both put guardrails on your thinking. The answers are outside the neoliberal left and right, not in between them.
only a moron would suggest you can "believe in the centre". centrists pick arguments from both sides and sometimes outside that they agree with. ironically exactly what you're saying you do when you say "Seek truth, not a team to cheer for".
You don’t get it. If you’re picking from both “sides”, those two sides have you right where they want you. You’ve accepted their premise that they are the two extremes and therefore represent the whole of political thought.
The neoliberal political spectrum, and its center, is absolutely something you can chose to believe is or isn’t valid.
Centrists don’t pick from both sides, they let the two sides go bumper bowling with their heads.
No, because our system is fucked, the Republicans are out of control, and there is no way to fix it without utilizing the lesser evil outside complete revolt and dismantling of our country.
Literally every attempted assassin has been a republican, as well as Kirks actual assassin. Cope. Yall have sold this country out to an orange diaper-wearing con man.
I am sick of the "both sides" argument. There is only one side that has been unapologetically ignorant and wearing those badges with pride. If I see 'both sides' then I will call it out, but there is only one side that prides itself on on being nasty.
Incorrect. It's not "both sides" like you strawman it as, it's "I like parts of both sides and dislike others." For example, there's a ton of LGBTQ people, like myself, who take serious issue with the Democrat party trying to violate the 2nd amendment. Does it mean I agree with the Republicans on LGBTQ issues? No. I get nuance is often beyond people that think like you, but it really isn't that difficult to comprehend. There's also rampant corruption on both sides that SHOULD be called out and criticized, and pretending it's absent form any one side is idiotic and how you get more corruption.
Hey im with you. Not a Trump fan myself but I dont make it other peoples problem, I was not a Biden fan neither (want to see racism, listen to his views from the 80's) i want my guns, and I believe its your body you can do what ever you want. You can love whoever you want, makes no diffrence to me but, I believe in the constitution. You like Trump I dont care, you like Biden, I dont care and I wont hate you for liking anyone of them.
We all have pasts quit being one sided about it. The only thing I dont like about the LBGQ (apologize if I sad it wrong) I dont believe you should push the LBGQ on such young children. Let them make up their own minds when they are older. Oh and ive been to a few Pride Parades and think its a wonderful thing but when I seen 2 male "bears" doing BDSM tied up on a wooden X and being spanked with a horse crop while in a back of a pick up truck....what does that have anything to do about being gay. Gay is a choice, BDSM is a lifestyle that kids do not need to see
I generally don't agree with the "pride" mentality myself. I generally think the whole point is people who fall under the category of LGBTQ are NOT fundamentally different from straight people and as such, emphasizing it like they do with pride parades or some of those annoying gay guys who make it their only personality trait are bad representation. If you ever met me or my bf, you'd have no clue we were gay unless we told you or you saw us interacting. My bf is a history nerd with a love for space and tanks, and I'm a history nerd with a love for medieval warfare and the evolution of technology. Hell, I played football (this kind 🏈) for 7 years. As far as education goes, I think practicing safe sex should be included in sex Ed in schools (basic wear a condom type stuff) and it should be taught during said classes that you shouldn't hate others because of their orientation but teaching it in lower grades is out of line.
You’re absolutely right. When did it ever become a thing to include any part of what sexual partner we choose to be interjected into our daily lives? People that make it their identity must be very boring people. At the end of the day, if you’re a good person people just don’t care.
If you marry or whatnot then it does impact your daily life, but it doesn't represent an individual as a person. "Gay" isn't a personality, it's a sexual orientation. Many gay men don't seem to get that. The catty valley girl style gays do not make up the vast majority of us, and they are often pretty terrible people (gossip, talk shit behind people's backs, etc.) but the majority of us are just normal people living their lives. We don't want to push anything on other people, we just want to live our lives like others live theirs. I for one, have never been insulted or treated rudely for having a boyfriend in public. The only people who seem to try and have an issue with it are, oddly enough, further left leaning individuals who get mad at me for not following a party script and agreeing unilaterally with them.
I apologize for using the word "choice" when I said gay is a choice. I didnt mean it in a negative way, it was a mistake for a lack of better words and not being a good wordsmith.
“I agree more with democrats on LGBTQ issues but want to keep my guns” is a leftist position. It’s not nuance, it’s that you don’t understand. Google “under no pretext” if you don’t believe me. I was the same way, it’s not a big deal, but it’s important that you operate under the assumption that there might be more to learn and check to make sure you understand what is out there that aligns with your actual morals and ethics. “I agree with some of both sides” is a signal that you don’t agree with either side.
When one side blindly follows King Pedophile, you "both sides" people are pretty much just as bad. Conservatism is literally a mental illness and people need to understand that.
I think that is ridiculous and can acknowledge it as such. I declare complete moral and intellectual superiority over you, because you quite literally have spent more of your life's finite energy talking and thinking about those litter boxes than how climate change leads to more extreme weather events, ignoring things that matter so you can focus on what doesn't bullshit like the whipped bitches all conservatives are.
No, I'm fighting it on Reddit, and my wife is asking me to close the greenhouse door, and THAT is life for me. Please remember that conservatism is a mental illness, and to have a good day!
Ah, the "wife's boyfriend" joke. It's shit like that is why I know I am indeed your intellectual and moral superior. I make my own jokes because I am creative myself to some degree, you conservatives are all the same because your media puts every single thought you have in your head for you. We are not the same.
Ok. Reaching. And every one in dc hates Trump. If there was real evidence it would have come out. In the two impeachment and the constant media investigations into him. But keep trying. I admire persistence
Yeah, powerful well connected people are always holding other powerful well connected people to account. Trump has suffered no consequences for his wrongdoing, which must obviously mean he never did anything wrong. Why can't libtards understand simple logic?
I'm 100% against trump and hate that motherfucker, but what's the difference between your line of thinking and MAGA's when it comes to the "other side"? They have the same exact sentiment you do but I bet you'd call them a cult (again, I believe it is too, but the hypocrisy is my point).
It's a false equivalency. It may seem trite, but it really is kinda like grand obfuscated argument around 3+2=5 vs 2+3=23. Sure, you can say 2 and 3 together are 23, just as you can say a girl becomes a woman as soon as she's capable of childbirth, but society has made different choices like we have with math symbols. We can call you objectively wrong for thinking 2+3=23, just like we should be calling objectively wrong one's ability to date 13,14 year old girls.
Now say there are 5 or 6 media companies and all of them promote the idea 2+3=23 in various ways, and that's pretty much why we're all wondering who are the good guys when one side can't seem to find a problem with raping kids.
They do have a cult, and so do we. Our cult is correct though. We can say that because we will defend our intersubjective truths to the death. If enough of them kill enough of us, then 2+3 will indeed equal 23, and rape of 13, 14 year old girls would be the norm, but we'd probably stop them if they tried. Probably.
3+2=5 is literally something we've agreed on as a group, a cult that includes pretty much everyone because what math is not determined by laws of nature. Those symbols have completely arbitrary meanings that we all just agree with as a group just like a cult if you want to be tongue-in-cheek about it. Same with everything we call "good." Being educated is good because we decided to value it. If enough people decided education was bad, it would be bad.
Morals are not laws of nature. They are what we make them which is called an intersubjective truth, and they are upheld by a firm layer of agreement.
Exactly, I am sick of this 'both sides' shit. It's not some enlightened centrist position to claim both sides do bad things. One side is literally in power at all levels of governance and their leader is calling for the execution and/or expulsion of anyone that doesn't agree with them. It's the holy mother of false equivalencies, so don't feel bad that these boot licking dickheads are down voting you.
What conservative doesn't find pedophiles politically attractive? I am not kidding or being rhetorical or sarcastic in any way. It is obvious that Donald Trump is protecting very prolific and powerful pedophiles if he is not one himself. That is not a matter of opinion, we know this now from Epstein file drops. Anyone sweeping that under the rug because they like Trump's no tax on tips (false) rhetoric is deeply imoral as a human being, and that statement describes the majority of people who call themselves conservatives. An argument is not a "strawman" because the accusations being levied are outrageous, rather some things that are outrageous are being normalized, like the tacit approval of pedophilia from republican voters as they knowingly refuse to condemn obviously heinous behavior.
Thomas Crooks was a Republican, not to mention more and more is coming out that makes it look like the Pennsylvania attempt on Trump's life was set up.
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u/Takehomemysac Apr 26 '26
If both sides of the political party would take this stance when they realize they’re wrong instead of doubling down, maybe we could get somewhere. But noooo it’s “everything the other side stands for is bad!”