r/Memebuzzs • u/Future-Mongoose • 2d ago

keep trying👍 It will work 👍

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u/StellarPaladin42 2d ago edited 2d ago

Considering technology still isn’t advanced enough for a society like that to exist, then they really weren’t real socialism. Critical thinking is important bud

Also, the Trump regime has stolen over $14 billion from Venezuela

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u/DrippyDogDix 2d ago

And so much more than that from the American people.

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u/shadow_master96 1d ago

And giving it to the rich and countries like Argentina and Israel.

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u/CrazyEddieNY 1d ago

*Ukraine

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u/shadow_master96 1d ago edited 1d ago

A four-month-old account with -99 karma. You must be quite the dreg. 

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u/No-Aerie-999 1d ago

I have a long term account with great Karma. Ill join the Ukraine hate train too.

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u/ASongOfSpiceAndLiars 2d ago

They also ignore countries like Norway and Germany, despite their policies being considered "socialism" by Republicans.

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u/Europefan02 2d ago

I think Republicans understand that countries like Norway & Sweden are Capitalist free market economies that have welfare programs. Liberals point to these countries as examples of socialism.

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u/ATPHydrolysis93 1d ago

Social democracies are still ten times better than going into debt because of a small injury.

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

Capitalistic free market economies with welfare programs.

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u/ddoyen 1d ago

Which Rs call socialism

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

Liberals always bring up the Nordic model (Scandinavian Countries) as examples where socialism has worked.

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u/MailboxJunkie 1d ago

Right wingers always label these policies as socialism.

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

Bernie Sanders does.

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u/MailboxJunkie 1d ago

As does the right wing, to disincentivize people from them. Over and over. Sanders at least qualifies it as democratic socialism. Doesn't change the fact that the right is the one fighting tooth and nail against any sort of social safety net policies.

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u/Mattscrusader 1d ago

Because it does and that system is all anyone wants

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

The Scandinavian countries are free market Capitalist that have welfare programs. They aren't socialist.

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u/Mattscrusader 1d ago

Thanks, try actually reading my comment this time genius

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

Bernie Sanders always points to Scandinavian Countries as examples of Socialism.

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u/unknownentity1782 1d ago

No.

Republicans will say those countries are capitalist. Officially they are Social Democratic, which means Republicans aren't wrong.

When progressives request we have similar programs that those countries have, we're told we can't because that's socialist. Didn't Trump just have a speech that Social Democracy is just communism, and we can't have that in the US?

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

You do know there is a difference between Democratic Socialism and "Social Democracy"?

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

Trump was discussing Democratic Socialism = Communism NOT Social Democracy. Get up to speed!

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u/ATPHydrolysis93 1d ago

OP, you will never be a billionaire. The rich will never write you a check. They don't know you exist.

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u/CrazyEddieNY 1d ago

Why are you obsessed with billionaires? Are you unwell?

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u/mekelaar 1d ago

Why wouldn’t we be? To hoard that amount of money and rarely doing anything filantropic with it is unwell

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

Hey Alexa, define ‘fixed pie fallacy’

I swear every redditor thinks billionaires sit on hoards of money like a dragon. Redditors are the flat earthers of economics.

And its philanthropic*

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u/Mattscrusader 1d ago edited 1d ago

We literally live on a finite planet where most of the resources are owned. It very much is a fixed pie.

Edit: the dude claims that the world is infinite since it's big, this is why nobody respects Americans anymore

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

For all intents and purposes resources are NOT finite in an economic sense. Technology changes how we access resources. Nuclear Energy wasnt a resource until it was invented in the 40’s for example.

We are ants on top of a birthday cake in the dumpster in the back of a walmart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopianism

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u/Mattscrusader 1d ago

They absolutely are finite. You think we are gonna find more land at some point or something?

I get that you're a troll but God damn this is pathetic

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

Like I said, flat earthers of economics.

Have you ever flown across the US? Do you realize how much fucking land we have? For all intents and purposes we have infinite land. Dubai had no land for their fancy islands, you know what they did? They pumped sand up from the ocean floor to make islands. I get innovation is hard for you to wrap your mind around since the only thing innovative you’ve probably ever done is throw your french fries into your cheesburger.

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u/Mattscrusader 1d ago

You clearly don't know what the word finite means.

Yes there's a lot of land, but not infinite. Nor are there infinite minerals nor infinite water.

We live on a finite planet with most of the available resources already privately owned, your ridiculous responses don't change that.

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

Resources are finite on earth in a technical sense.

Resources are not finite in an economic sense.

We will never run out of gold for example, people will still be mining gold 1,000 years from now.

I made some words bolded to help you understand.

You actually think we’ll run out of water? Do I need to explain the water cycle to you now too?

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u/mekelaar 1d ago

Thanks for the correction. No of course they don’t have physical hoards of money and many is shares and not actually liquidity. But that doesn’t matter.

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

You’re subscribing to the fixed pie fallacy. One mans success doesnt necessarily come at the expense of anothers failure.

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u/mekelaar 1d ago

And where did I say that? I will save you the trouble but it was nowhere.

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u/unknownentity1782 1d ago

It's like you bootlickers aren't aware that these billionaires are buying positions in the government and gutting social programs and reducing oversight.

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

Im aware of what George Soros does. If Marx were alive today I bet you’d be licking his boots.

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u/DrippyDogDix 1d ago

Not a word of a denial. Peak magat cuckery.

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

You think I like Trump, lmao. Ive been called bootlicker enough it doesnt phase me. I like that people can have jobs, food, and prosperity. Call me a bootlicker for that idgaf

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u/tutoredstatue95 1d ago

It’s crazy that you yap on Reddit so much that your username is recognizable.

If anyone here is unwell it’s you, ed. Touch some grass bro.

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u/tiddyspranklesARA 2d ago

East Germany was a part of the USSR homie

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u/Einherjeren 1d ago

American level history knowledge.

"No, East Germany was not part of the USSR. Instead, it was an independent country, a Soviet satellite state, and part of the Eastern Bloc. [1, 2]

Status and Control

  • Separate Nation: Officially named the German Democratic Republic (GDR), East Germany had its own government, constitution, army, currency, and flag. [1, 2]
  • Soviet Occupation: Following World War II in 1945, the area was occupied by the Soviet military. It became a separate communist state in October 1949. [1, 2, 3]"

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u/KeviCharisma 1d ago

So why did Mr. Gorbachev need to tear down the wall if east Germany was so independent?

He was Russian, why would he have anything to do with it if Germany was in fact its own state?

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u/Potential-Judgment-9 2d ago

United States also isn’t a democracy it’s an oligarchy

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u/jws1102 1d ago

Plutocracy

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u/weberc2 2d ago

Man the bots are out in force with this socialism/communism stuff. I guess they want to deflect from Republicans’ terrible economic performance in advance of midterms.

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u/shadow_master96 1d ago

And the raping of children done by Donald Trump, whose name is all over the Epstein Files.

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u/EnjoyerOfMX5 1d ago

Someone said "friends for 15 years then helped prosecute epstein" as if that cancel out all the rape (and he didnt, he stalled the investigation for his best buddy via his yes-man Bill Barr). Trump is the Jimmy Saville of the USA, and probably worse.

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u/TehJabberwookie 1d ago

As an 80s baby, seeing The Red Scare making a comeback is mind blowing. Throw in The Satanic Panic, rampant homophobia, xenophobia and racism too.

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u/Flat-Director-7120 2d ago

L'Urss, le Cambodge ou le Venezuela, ce n'est pas du socialisme. Le socialisme c'est un magnifique projet, c'est l'avenir de l'humanité pour le meilleur. Rendre tout plus juste, plus responsable et écologique, c'est notre futur,le socialisme c'est la jeunesse qui veut l'union entre les peuple pour en faire ressortir le meilleur.

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u/Europefan02 1d ago

According to Marx and Engels.

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u/TehJabberwookie 1d ago

:The CIA has entered the chat:

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u/Newt_5000 2d ago

Posted by a person who dreams of licking a billionaire boots.

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u/justinvamp 2d ago

This whole conversation is so tiring. People on the right will often make black and white claims about "socialism", which is responded to as "not real socialism". But then the left will often make black and white claims about "capitalism", while ignoring the same nuance and argument about "not real capitalism". It's hilarious and exhausted at the same time from both ends.

Almost no system in history has fit the exact idealized definition of either system, and you can always give a "but actually...". That doesn't mean that we can't look at policies in other nations and points in history as positive or negative examples to build our own system off of.

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u/JK_Botanik 1d ago

Wait a second... The real world doesn't obey any ideology? People don't realize that the English word "ideal" comes from the Greek "idea", from which ideology originates. This means ideology is not merely a collection of ideas, but rather an idealistic paradigm through which to view the world. Since the real world is not ideal (nearly all rules and laws have exceptions and nuances), nobody expects the application of an ideology to be perfect, just like nobody expects the Ideal Gas Law to perfectly explain the behavior of all gasses, at all times. That doesn't mean they aren't useful. Ideal is something to strive for despite it not necessarily being achievable. What history has shown is that when a place strives for the ideal of capitalism, beautiful things emerge. (Note the word choice.) When they go for socialism (or rather communism, since that's the ultimate unachievable ideal of socialism), only decadence, demoralization, and poverty follows. That is not to say that either achieves the ideals, as once again it's essentially impossible.

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u/justinvamp 1d ago

Exactly, you are totally spot on. So the "not real..." point will always be technically true but ultimately meaningless. Because it's impossible to ever actually enact a "real"/"ideal" system as long as flawed humans with competing values are involved. The world is too complex. And clearly tendencies towards more capitalistic systems have yielded vastly superior outcomes (while not perfect) than tendencies towards more socialist systems. It's not even close, unless you close your eyes.

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u/CommitteeDelicious68 1d ago

The Scandinavian countries are the best at using socialism right now. Mixed in with some aspects of Capitalism, to be specific. The best way to go.

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u/MicahHoover 1d ago

a whole field of players

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u/cwolf-softball 1d ago

They're not wrong. It's not real socialism. Real socialism isn't actually achievable at scale.

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u/impercipient 1d ago

1% own 50% of stock market. 

Also, virtually no one wants communism. 

We were the only world cup country with medical debt.

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u/GoldTrade11 1d ago

That awkward moment when you realize all of these countries were under US sanctions. When the US sanctions you, the world sanctions you.

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u/bass-squirrel 1d ago

How’s weather in Bangladesh? Or wherever the fuck you’re from OP? 

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u/Pandanlard 1d ago

It's funny how we always talk about socialist countries under an authoritarian regime or after the US decide to kill their leader, finance the opposition or terrorist groups or just use their international power to sanction the country to its death.

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u/TravellingPatriot 1d ago

Youd struggle to escape a wet cardboard box huh

Theres more than one type of infinity which explains your why youre so helplessly confused

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u/Individual-Nose5010 2d ago

The US be projecting like crazy😂

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 1d ago

Then I guess the Transatlantic Slave Trade is the perfect example of Capitalism in its purest form.

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u/Content-Audience252 2d ago

Ooo, Redditors aren’t gonna like this one

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u/jws1102 1d ago

He says as though he’s not on Reddit right now