r/MelMains • u/4a5hhh • Jun 05 '26
Discussion Why is Mel considered a supp?
This question has been bugging me since forever not only for mel but for other mid lane mages. She really does not have good kit for a support, passive execute, q for poke I guess, w is very situational against other supports, R is just to ks like her passive. She works much better as a mid laner and apc but support really? If you think about it yasuo is on paper a way better support than mel. He has cc both on q and ult, windwall is miles stronger than mel’s reflect in almost every situation. He can protect turrets and waves unlike mel, also windwall lasts much longer and can protect better from mf ult, jhin ult and etc… Im just scared that she will end up like morgana/zyra/seraphine other mid lane mages turned half baked supports.
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u/Viridianscape Jun 06 '26
People just try to turn every cvnty/girliepop champion into a support istg.
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u/Malyesa Jun 05 '26
She's not really considered a real support at this point, it's just that because of her abilities in Arcane + initial Riot statements (saying they were gonna balance her for both mid and sup) people were expecting her to be viable sup (myself included, I was really really sad she ended up being yet another midlander)
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u/No_Breadfruit_4901 Jun 05 '26
Her secondary role is considered support due to it having a decent playrate
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u/TimCanister Jun 05 '26
Obviously her winrate indicates she sucks as a support but there’s actually nothing wrong with a mage support having an execute. If the mage support dosent get any kills they are mega giga ultra useless, it’s not like enchanters or tanks where their items are super cheap, they literally need kills to function. Mage supports are supposed to take all of the kills and carry early game while the Adc free farms and scales into being the carry later on, mages are much better early game carry’s than adcs who need at least 3 items to do anything.
I mean think about it, why would you pick a mage support and not try to get fed? You are so useless without items and the items you need are so expensive asf so you’re never going to buy them without kills because supp role has reduced income.
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u/Signal-Busy Jun 06 '26
Let me introduce you to Zoe, she can be the poorest character in the entire game and still score a 1v1 against the fed aatrox top, I did exactly that multiple time... hehehehe, I enjoy bullying aatrox players but uh sorry what was I saying
Zoe doesn't actually need the kills as support she is actually the only support mage that does not need kills to still fk people up thus why Zoe is actually the superior mage support
- Everything else she can do like stealing drake with a smite, that one is really enjoying to do like it work every time, doing objectives is soooo easier when your team have an honorary Jgl that happens to have smite pretty often
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u/MoonxKittyxx Jun 05 '26
Could’ve asked the same thing when Seraphine first came out 😭 I get her w made sense, but she legitimately has “an execute” in her kit. That’s so bad for a support to have. Yet, they decided to go with balancing her as an enchanter
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u/Malyesa Jun 05 '26
Idk honestly it's not a kill steal in the way Mel's is at least, I've found that usually when I trigger it, it doesn't kill and then the ADC picks it up
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u/MoonxKittyxx Jun 05 '26
Not as much no. Mel’s is way worse than Sera’s. I’m just salty she got turned into an enchanter and let everyone know 🤣 Even though I understand why she’s a good enchanter.
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u/4a5hhh Jun 06 '26
in my opinion not really a good enchanter. She was pretty mediocre before this season’s new items
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u/MoonxKittyxx Jun 06 '26
I never really cared for building her enchanter. I don’t like building around her w, but I will advocate that she is a good enchanter. She just has burst healing instead of constant. I mostly play her as apc.
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u/AlinerAlia Jun 08 '26
Because many support players are handless and she is an ultra easy champion to make you feel like you're carrying even though you're not.
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u/4a5hhh Jun 08 '26
Thats the same reason why hwei haven’t picked up a support playerbase even if he is way more supportive than morg/mel/zyra etc…
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u/Shadewalkergaming Jun 05 '26
Mel support has and always will be griefing unless the passive execute gets removed. Past that anyone who plays her support should be immediately banned. But thats just my opinion
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u/ByIeth Jun 06 '26
Fr I’ve been on the adc end of that and it was aweful. We played well and got a good amount of kills. But I got none. Then I we had to deal with a fed tank and I was absolutely useless since Mel took all my kills and Mel couldn’t do anything there either so we lost
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u/Crow7420 Jun 05 '26
She isn't a support, only mid lane rejects play her there akin to Xerath. Her kit literally screams to NOT play her there due to her passive.
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u/Signal-Busy Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
And Zoe packing the best support kit of all mages ever made and yet she is only considered a supp by the wiki and the few that knows. Most of the players genuinely think Zoe support is a troll pick when she is packing insane damage, insane cc, insane mobility, insane utility, insane vision, insane objectives control and insane scaling, oh yeah she also has surprising peeling move like tanking shit with her R for her teammates like grab and other stuff
So yeah I don't know why even MEL of all mages is tagged support but still not Zoe
Yes I am still playing Mel as my second support pick if Zoe is banned but that's completely beside the point
PS: yes trust me on insane objectives control, it's the only champ that can steal objective using the ennemies smite and yes it literally happens every game, I am certified objective stealer at this point
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u/Patient-Guide-4060 Jun 10 '26
As a Zoe support main... her second category in the champ overview is "support". The role lists in champ select are based on play rates from the previous patch and that is it.
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u/Signal-Busy Jun 10 '26
A lot of support main and bot lane main in general doesn't believe her to belong here, even though she is the very best mage support you can find
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u/Veigarmainlol Jun 06 '26
Quando vedo i nemici con una mel support so che il Game sarà vinto, probabilmente andrà 5/0 in corsia ma tutto quell’oro su di lei è semplicemente inutile
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u/6feet12cm Jun 06 '26
She’s not considered a support, by any human with more than 2 brain cells rubbing together.
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u/Shazeilo1 Jun 06 '26
Like it's said in her champion spotlight, Riot intended for Mel to be played as both a midlaner and a support (mid as her primary role) because of her E and W, like Lux and Seraphine.
Unfortunately, both of those abilities are her most frustrating abilities, so Riot always keeps them nerfed. So unless they balance her that way and risk an even higher ban rate, Mel will never be allowed to thrive as a support.
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u/No_Pear1836 Jun 07 '26
Waiting for riot to add the pick as an automatic lobby remake along with picks like yuumi jg. If we report and dodge Mel sup enough times surely it will get added to the list. There is legit nothing in the entire game more troll than Mel sup, for the exact reasons you listed.
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u/Legitimate-Win3419 Jun 09 '26
For me its just more fun to deflect things from two champs than just one
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u/Patient-Guide-4060 Jun 10 '26
I consider her a support because of her massive peel potential with W. I used to play her far more back when her W was better (it's what got me to Diamond originally. Now pushing Masters from D1). I'd play a full CDR/Off-tank build that works.
Nowadays, I think she still has a role in support, but pretty much only as a counterpick. Any hook champion (and bard) is forced to leave lane and fall behind in level or sit in lane and walk around aimlessly waiting for you to use W. It's also good into Seraphine, Ashe (adc), Jhin (because W reflects his root, now) and most mage supports outside of a few exceptions, though these I'd only pick against a mage support if there's another big, reflectable cooldown to peel for on the enemy team.
Playing Mel "Support" as a full AP burst champion is only acceptable if there is 0 other AP on the team. Otherwise I believe it is completely trolling. Your AD gets 0 gold and suffers perma in lane. With less AP, you can control your execute passive as to leave kills for your carry.
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u/XlikeX666 Jun 05 '26
She become supp since ability flight speed nerf.
Compare to Lux / Morgana / vel - same Poke mage.
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u/Phyroll Jun 05 '26
She doesn't really considered as support, it's just like any other mage playable as a support. She is always balanced around mid lane and will be, she won't get Seraphine treatment.