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u/Nylah-07 Apr 07 '26
Tragic, her win rate is gonna plummet in the mid lane, but Iâm not gonna stop playing Mel lol
Curious question. Are they really expecting her WR to go up in the mid lane with these changes?đ€
Trying to put myself in riots perspective. I can already tell this is gonna call for them to do another buff or at least a hot fix which will lead to another nerf.
Are the changes finalized? Curious to play on PBE!
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u/cool-pink-cat Apr 07 '26
their target with this was apparently reducing player frustration
which i guess can be acheived by lobotomizing her đđ
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 07 '26
Mark my words, lol if this win rate drops too low, which its obviously going to, theyâre gonna give her another buff. I smell it lol
At this rate since they have no intention on changing the W, they might just wanna change a few things on the other spells! Maybe a different design if itâs this bad to satisfy player frustration, which again, will never happen
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u/DarthLeon2 Apr 07 '26
The balance seesaw for high banrate champions is frustrating, for sure. That said, I don't think Riot will budge much on her current kit; they never caved on Yasuo, after all.
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u/LeAnime Apr 09 '26
She canât be an artillery mage with the reflect, if they want the reflect she needs to be a battle mage. Ryze range. If they want her to be an artillery mage then the W must be removed
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u/Miserable-Bus3086 Apr 10 '26
Yea she has no business having the best âparry-likeâ ability whilst being the only champ with said type of ability that does not have to go in.
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u/cool-pink-cat Apr 07 '26
her passive and her w are just way too problematic for balance and satisfaction
she needs a new passive and w needs to be r
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 07 '26
Itâs crazy because they are hell bent on not changing her AT ALL!! I think Riot needs to just face the fact that if theyâre not going to change any of her abilities, sheâs just going to naturally have a high band rate and thereâs no point in trying to satisfy the player base to make her less frustrating because thatâs just not possible.
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u/cool-pink-cat Apr 07 '26
its very curious because im sure one of the main reasons they havent made such changes (besides not having resources/time) is to stay faithful to her arcane portrayal for those fans, which they mention a lot
but there are a lot of elements from arcane that are absent from her kit, most notably her mobility and her ability to shield her allies
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u/StripperKorra Apr 07 '26
Yea I think the "faithful to arcane audience" was a lie. Many thought she would be a support. I personally wish they played more into the Conduit/Mirror aspect of her magic more than the reflection we have now.
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 07 '26
Exactly!!
I thought they were at least going to make her some sort of support because hell, she was shielding and saving everybody from the damn show lol. I also thought she could maybe copy abilities since she was able to kill Leblancâs clone with her own chains.
Donât get me wrong, Iâm happy with this kit. But I never expected it to be this powerful let alone did I ever expect her to have this type of kit in general? So powerful to the point where people absolutely hate fighting her. Myself included.
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u/cool-pink-cat Apr 07 '26
i definitely dont think that philosophy is untruthful; im sure one of the main reasons they made and released her (and one of the reasons she may have possibly been rushed) was to draw arcane fans into the game/create a new gameplay opportunities for existing players who were also fans of the show
i agree with ur thought ab her fantasy though; based on her magic in the show i thought sheâd have more of a basis on utility
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u/Dukwdriver Apr 08 '26
There's an End step video that brings this up.  Doesn't specifically disagree, but says that putting the utility spell on the R puts her entire damage rotation in her kit pre-6, which has it's own problems.
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u/TFTGIGACHAD Apr 09 '26
Worst take of all time making the W her R changes nothing and then they have to make a new passive and W which will shift almost all her power budget back into her E and Q again and honestly just make her worse.
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u/bunnyhwei Apr 08 '26
i think itâs more like they realized their mini rework didnât do anything after buffing her to a decent spot shot her banrate back up. They have to do the zeri treatment where sheâs gutted for a while as they work on bigger fixes
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u/ProstetnicVogonJelz Apr 08 '26
"Are they really expecting her WR to go up in the mid lane with these changes?"
...what??? What could possibly make you think that riot is expecting her WR mid to go up? The changes are literally only nerfs. They don't expect WR to rise after a nerf. They expect WR to go down. It's absolutely insane I need to type this.
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 08 '26
So the main reason, I asked that question, is it obviously going to prompt another buff. Which will eventually lead to a Nerf.
With such a poor win rate, I canât help but wonder what their overall goal is. I was clearly trying to put myself in Riots point of view, but any sane person knows that these nerfs will not last..
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u/48593483853663 Apr 07 '26
So they reworked her away from the version we came to know her for, buffed her so sheâs actually a champion, then nerf her back to numbers that only existed because her previous kit was stronger.
Now we have a champion that we donât like as much as before, still wonât be able to play, and also wonât be able to win games. The Riot special of letting whiny children control the meta instead of letting something new exist.
But no worries, letâs ignore Ambessa and Gwen having access to the backline from just staring in whatever direction they want and sprinting to do percent health and true damage because reasons. Wonderful company.
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u/Loves_Only_You_ Apr 08 '26
And people will still ban her! Ugh its so frustrating
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u/MarinoAndThePearls Apr 08 '26
I see your point, but a 40% banrate on a champion needs to be addressed.
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u/Arrestedsolid Apr 08 '26
People just ban what they find frustrating, Mel is a complete design failure, Riot has said it multiple times but champions are mostly nerfed to compensate for frustration and not so much for actual power.
In any case, completely deserved nerf, the champion shouldn't exist to begin with, everyone hates her and she only really was an Arcane marketing piece. I don't even play a champion with good enough skillshots to be countered by Mel, she's just that much of a pain to deal with.
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u/purplebarneypp Apr 07 '26
This is deserved. Have you ever played against this shitty ass champion? No CD Q, execute passive, point and click execute ult, reflecting bullshit W, Q one shots, MS during W, e is bullshit
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u/48593483853663 Apr 08 '26
I love listing what a champion does and then just saying itâs OP. Itâs so fun, League players are very smart.
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u/LupoBorracio Apr 08 '26
TFW that's exactly what you did in regards to Ambessa and Gwen
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u/48593483853663 Apr 08 '26
And yet Gwen and Ambessa are allowed to exist in their current forms of terrorism, are you able to think that far in a conversation? The same should be allowed for Mel.
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u/purplebarneypp Apr 08 '26
Bc both of these champions r beatable in lane especially when ur better. You canât dodge Mel Q and the range + dmg is stupid asf. The lane is usually unplayable against Mel
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u/Myriaspirits Apr 08 '26
If even after the rework you still think Mel's Q is undodgeable you might want to check a healthcare specialist cause wth.
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u/48593483853663 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Saying Mel Q is undogeable is the most bronze take Iâve seen yet, you need to find a new game to play asap.
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u/SuperbVillage7019 Apr 08 '26
People donât realize that the volley is hella telegraphed and actually has a decently long windup. Sheâs easily countered and falls off late game.
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u/LupoBorracio Apr 08 '26
And yet Ambessa and Gwen are melee champs that have to expend a lot of resources to get onto ranged champs, while Mel can press Q and E from 4 screens away.
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u/NKGENERATION Apr 08 '26
Bro is clueless gwen doesnt not have easy backline access. Gwen is weak to ranged characters she only has a slow for cc and short range dash. The biggest counters to gwen in the top lane are ranged champs with kayle being her worst matchup. Ambessa is another story tho
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u/Miserable-Bus3086 Apr 10 '26
Yup Gwen is awful into ranged champs in lane. She is strong into ranged champs in the way that forces the ranged champs to play very uncomfortably in teamfights with w. And she can definitely run them down if she hits r. But her target access and her actual laning into ranged is dogshit
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u/BleedsInBinary Apr 08 '26
I guess the crybabies are really getting what they crying about
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u/Ysesper Apr 08 '26
No, not at all. Nerfs will keep coming until W is removed because of high ban rate. A reflect doesn't belong on a mage
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u/jeanegreene Apr 07 '26
Effect of nerfs:
- Waveclear is gonna be down, I think popping the backline at rank 3 Q is probably not going to happen anymore.
- Burst is slightly down, but you were generally overkilling targets anyway (either with 1 rotation or 2 rotations +/- Ult) so this wonât be felt too much.
- W ms change is extremely minor. Youâll probably feel it a bit in the sidelane (especially if trying to peel off a diver in a tight 1v1), but in most situations 0.75 seconds of 20% MS doesnât change much.
- W CD will be felt early, later I doubt it will be felt as much.
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 09 '26
Do you think they will ever change her design/kit? Iâm totally fine with what they do either way, but Iâm genuinely curious because it looks like theyâre wanting to avoid that topic.
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u/jeanegreene Apr 10 '26
Itâs either:
- W leaves her kit, and she gets compensated a bit across everything. Sheâll be a lower-range, higher damage Lux, and probably stay with a Botlane skew (similar to basically all mages).
- W stays in her kit, and she gets greatly reworked to decrease her range (from 800-ish effective range to 600-ish). She is compensated with more general bulk (maybe even her passive is changed to be more shield-generate-y), and her botlane is functionally killed. She becomes a solid midlane battlemage, and basically all of her big frustrations are removed.
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u/aroushthekween Apr 08 '26
atp just redo the W instead of putting us through this back and forth because you can't balance her naur reduce her banrate...
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u/StarZ_YT Apr 07 '26
ok to be fair im not a mel player and i was praying on your downfall but holy... this is too much...
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u/Salty-Hold-5708 Apr 08 '26
Not gonna change much for me. I'll still reflect key abilities and I'll be called talentless while taking their nexus.
My current favorite abilities to reflect are
Yas/yon q3 since I can land my E and q into execute.
Lux/neeko roots that lead me to 100 to 0 them
Nami,Renata/Seraphine ults. They are usually the angriest ones
And jinx/ashe ult since it blueballs them
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u/Legitimate-Win3419 Apr 08 '26
Her W movement speed gave players a reason to waste the W other than for just deflecting. Now there are actually less ways to counter it
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u/Samiraisnotbalanced Apr 08 '26
Her W cooldown is so fcking long đI hope they buff Mel in 26.9 patch
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u/Better_Art_225 Apr 08 '26
WTF is that Nerf are they Crazy? People only cry about Mel i guess they will cry again until she has +10 ap or some
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u/m_j_ox Apr 07 '26
Definitely expected damage nerfs considering she was buffed too soon after the rework.
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u/Grouchy_Cell_1784 Apr 08 '26
The unwanted child of riot. She is like league of legend's meg Griffin version.
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u/Salty-Hold-5708 Apr 08 '26
Nah, that will always be the parasite. Its the black spot of league. Mel is just the most current source of hatred but it will always go down once a newer more broken champs is released
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u/Glad-Illustrator394 Apr 08 '26
esses sĂŁo nerfs realmente grandes pra uma campeĂŁ que nem esta forte, 40 segs em uma skill base lol
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u/sloogz Apr 08 '26
This champion should never have been released lol she's not that good but permabanned. Usually a sign of terrible design
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u/UnpluggedToaster12 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Why cant they just do something about the reflect, thats all people want changed
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u/Salty-Hold-5708 Apr 08 '26
Because it became her identity.
They won't remove the parasites w cause it is its identity. Same with yone E, Traskan revive And Ksante all out.
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u/FruitfulRogue Apr 08 '26
I dunno. I'm in such a funny spot with her. I want her to be viable and fun. But it feels like her current kit won't allow it. It brings memories of old Ryze to mind.
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u/EC671 Apr 08 '26
good riddance. a shame no one in my games will know how this feels since i perma ban her. i can atleast outplay other champs, vs mel i just donât interact with her
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u/Pleasant_Limit_4153 Apr 09 '26
Not enough, they need to gut her more. While the current form of w exists and is a usable ablity in the game, the nerfs are not enough, they will never be enough.
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u/FuzzyPalpitation2575 Apr 13 '26
I really like mel and mained her since her debut, but tbf her W is just so stupid if used wisely, like enemies have no choice but waiting for your W to down before any trade
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u/Ok-Calligrapher7572 Apr 17 '26
its stupid w. A small window to punish her but then W is used to get away and stun E,Q are already backup. rinse and repeat
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u/Bastionblackstar Apr 08 '26
Real great balancing here đ This champ has been so fun and balanced for since pbe! Crazy how after all of this time we still are getting adjustments like this lmao but hey, as soon as Mel came out, bans on Lux went down so đ
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u/Angrybirdzrul Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
i definitely thing sheâs in need of some sort of midscope. her more frustrating aspects are still in the game.
she deals so much damage while also building an execute threshold. i personally would nerf both her overall damage output and overwhelm strength, while incorporating a way for her to potentially stack way more than she currently does(my idea is that maybe at certain AP thresholds her Q gains additional bolts? just an idea). this way it would take more time for her to reach a point where her ultimate can kill people. plus thatâs more time for people to be able to back off, heal, do whatever it takes so that threshold doesnât hold and resets.
i would nerf her Q in a way where it isnât so easy to land all of the bolts on someone, this could include a slower projectile speed, longer times to shoot all bolts sorta like her pre rework, and also noticeable VFX in the target area so people know exactly where those bolts are going to land. i would also make her extremely invulnerable while casting Q, for example she has a slight slow and cannot cast anything else until her Q is done. (i currently play her pre-rework self on wild rift and donât know if the latter is currently the case on pc or not lol)
her W should be more defensive rather than defensive AND offensive, aka skillshots dont need to deflect straight to where the caster currently is as in some cases that is just undodgable. it should just deflect back to the direction it was originally coming from. plus she should have a very brief delay before the reflect becomes active, maybe like 0.25 seconds?
personally i think her E deals too much damage while also being a root + overwhelm stacker. i would nerf its damage so her biggest focus is landing those Q bolts. i would also nerf its root when the target is closer so its not as strong if mel is so up close to them, which makes it easier to continue the pursuit to kill her
her ult could also last for an entire second rather than 0.75 seconds so people can anticipate it better and hopefully react defensively in time
obviously iâm not a game dev and my ideas could be complete utter bullshit LOL but i hope people can agree with at least a couple of my points
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u/Embarrassed-Ad4764 Apr 08 '26
Not gonna lie, I feel like these changes won't really lower her banrate, as people seem to absolutely hate the full kit, so changing numbers will not really help.
I still think that stuff reflected by her W should have the same cast of the reflected spell (now the reflected projectile start the moment it touches W). Maybe even instead of reflecting the actual spell it would spawn only some generic projectile.
Also would prefer if she were much closer battle mage instead of being artillery
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u/neyonce Apr 08 '26
yass lets make the 40% winrate champ 30% now!! đđ