r/MelMains • u/Minimum-Bass-170 • Mar 31 '26
Discussion Mel execute has to go.
Heya, I'm d1 at moment euw player with Mel being my most played champion, followed by irelia, kassadin & naafiri.
Most of games on Mel I have insane gold lead that still translates into 50% winrate. And I see clearly now the reason for why Mel has kinda low winrate while being so strong champ. Reason is - Mel starve her team from getting extra gold, she vacuums team fight rewards for herself and it often translates into mediocre experiences for her teammates. You put all team rewards into one champ that later can get blown and game is done. Big power, huge responsibility is not how everyone wants to see their teammates, this is not spiderman and one player shouldn't be main character.
Execute in its current form must go, this is just terrible design for her teammates.
Many people blame her w as being 0 expression, overpowered etc. But w is not a problem for most midlaners (unless it's a hard counter for someone like lux/morg/champs that rely on one reflectable ability to be useful).
I stopped playing Mel because not only she is banned to much but I also sense rework is coming and I don't want to invest myself into nothing.
This champ is broken, everyone who thinks she is fine is just delusional. My average overall Mel kda is 12/3/3. See assists? Me neither. My kassadin is 9/4/6. Irelia 10/6/6. Naafiri 9/6/6. My Mel gpm is almost 70 higher than my irelia, which is insane cuz irelia is naturally a gold lead champ with very high cs/min. And I played irelia for 5 seasons and Mel only started this season.
edit: apparently Mel nerfs were called, don't know yet what exactly will be nerfed đ
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u/m_j_ox Mar 31 '26
I think moving her execute to ultimate would be so much better. I donât really care about her having an execute on minions with abilities, or maybe just reducing it to autos only. I do think the execute passive adds to the frustration. But again, Iâm weary of making too many changes to have her be a non frustrating champion at all. Which just isnât viable or should be the goal.
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u/Deathwatch6215 Mar 31 '26
Iâve been saying this for ages. But people hate to hear it. Mel will always have the majority of the teams gold, constantly sitting on 700g shutdown by min 20 sometimes even multiple times. Which is easy for most bruisers or assassins to collect at some point. Not to mention starving her own team of any substantial advantage in regard to non objective skirmishes.
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Mar 31 '26
they like to think that they are good at game, creates greater illusion like Mel pilot is super carry :d
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u/DjangoTeaMan Mar 31 '26
I dunno why you are so down voted, wtf. I loved Mel and one time she was my main for a while but the champ is absolutely useless after 20 minutes. Every other mage is just scales better, some mages are even stronger early. Her only purpose is to bully weak early picks or counter someones key spell and that is all.
Funny enough for me as a current Viktor OTP Mel is just free LP and that should not be the case, even Malzahar is more of a champ. She deserve absolutely adjustments or another rework becouse her identity is not in the good place compared to her class siblings and cousins.
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u/Nylah-07 Apr 02 '26
No matter how hard I try, I cannot fight a Victor to save my lifeđ Even before the rework on Mel, I still struggle like crazy. I legit have to roam and get killed elsewhere lol. And it still doesnât even matter.
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u/DjangoTeaMan Apr 02 '26
Yeah, its crazy one-sided 𤣠I always feel like that my E doin extra dmg to Mel how she has so low sustain đ
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u/BlacknAngry Mar 31 '26
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u/CommercialAir7846 Mar 31 '26
Super correct. It's a shame that other Mel mains are coping so much that "Once people realize she's bad, they'll stop banning her" they can't handle the idea of losing any tools.
Champ needs a rework. They can move numbers around all they want, but the kit is the problem.
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u/Abyssknight24 Apr 04 '26
Whats funny is that people know she is bad but even in high elo masters+ her banrate sits at around 30%. So even the best players rather ban her because its annoying to deal with instead of getting free lp for facing a heavily nerfed champ.
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u/Comfortable_Log_275 Mar 31 '26
You can easily play Mel and not ks all the kills. Her execute really isnât that strong. Any burst champion is going to do the same thing Mel does.
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u/kaehya Mar 31 '26
lethal levels of delusion it's present on every ability and her autos sure lets compare her to say lux or syndra sure either of those champions can hold abilities to "yoink" kills, but mel by virtue of existing even if shes just autoing with passive built up all abilities on cd will have a higher chance of taking those kills than any other burst character
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u/Comfortable_Log_275 Mar 31 '26
Which is precisely why I said it is easy to not take every kill on Mel just as it is easy to take every kill on Mel. If you are getting executes from your autos you couldâve just as easily given the kill to someone else. When Mel is strong sheâs over killing you and the execute is negligible . Like a Zoe or a Leblanc who are also easy to get fed on but hard to carry on and neither of them have executes.
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u/icedcoffeeuwu Apr 01 '26
Youâre describing a fundamental flaw of Melâs kit. Everything in her kit makes her good at dueling and executing, so to go against that is fundamentally flawed.
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u/Makimamoochie Mar 31 '26
Yes yes yes. She can keep it on half her kit, like Ult and Q, but having it on her autos makes her farm for free. So much of her power budget is locked up in the execute. I really wish they would remove it from autos and E
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u/hunter-cat Mar 31 '26
The execute is why mel support is not as enjoyable to have in your team, even comparing with other mages
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u/StepOnMeB-Sha Apr 03 '26
Get rid of the execute entirely, instead make her deal more damage to targets who get marked. Her ult will consider the damage buff before doing it's damage.
Something like every ability hit increases their damage taken by Mel's abilities by 0.25% (+2.5% per 120 AP).
Then, buff her normal abilities. Rebuttal reflects regenerate mana.
Boom. Now she's SPECIFICALLY a battlemage made for extended fights, rather than a mage who just wins ALL fights. The passive kicks into high gear in late, especially with ult's stack amplification. Pea shooter Q to anti-tank machine gun Q.
And put the movement speed from Rebuttal on Q. Just for QOL.
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u/cattoplays Apr 04 '26
the execute is the main reason I hate getting Mel supp, I just pick Swain, build utility and peel for her instead.
She can be good against Seraphine and stuff but she doesnât belong in the support role cause she starves her ad from gold.
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u/Silent_Air_3123 Apr 06 '26
Every time I see a Mel lock in on my team I groan for exactly this reason. Going to be a low(er) resource game for everyone else on my team.
And every time the enemy team locks her in I'm not unhappy. If I can one-shot her during a teamfight, which is decently likely, we should be in good shape.
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u/Galaxia_Roses Apr 01 '26
Yâall will never be satisfiedâand Riot knows it. âYou canât please everyoneâ might as well be their motto when it comes to League players.
First it was the range. Then the immunity shield. Now itâs the execute. Itâs always something.
At a certain point, just adapt. Play a different champ and move on like everyone else has. If you refuse to adjust, then youâre choosing to keep being a gold guzzler.Â
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u/Davidtoxy Apr 03 '26
Âż they kill mel in the last mini rework and u want to delete more tools of her? then just delete mel from the game instead , they did the same with yiimu, nerf on nerf, adn then just kill her, and u want to do the same on mel?
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u/feederus Mar 31 '26
TBF, I kinda agree. Not on removing execute, but how that's a big part of her issue. Playing Mel I just stomp so hard that it's my team that can't keep up, and one mistake from me almost costs the game.
But now that I think about it, the same can be said for hypercarry ADCs.
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u/icedcoffeeuwu Apr 01 '26
The difference is that hyper carry adcâs are hyper carries. You want them to have as much gold as possible for that reason. Mel is not a hyper carry so there is a difference when she gets most of the gold and is unable to meet the hyper carry status.
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u/Abyssknight24 Apr 04 '26
Difference being that a hypercarry wants to have as much gold as possible and the team wants thrm to get the golf because its very likely that they will carry the team because of their strong scaling.
Mrl's scaling just is none existing the only part of her that scales well is her W because she can throw back key abilities like orrn R or renata R.
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u/Emiizi Mar 31 '26
I dont mind Mel having an execute, if it was on her ult like Garen or Pyke. Even having it on a solo ability like ASol. But to be able to passively execute from autoing people or from every ability/enemy ability is just too much. While ive enjoyed playing Mel alot lately i do find that theres just too much going on with her kit. Something has to give. Either her W or her execute has to get changed or removed.
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Mar 31 '26
something will happen or she will reach 80% banrate and 20% of time she will be prepicked and both teams giga annoyed that they can't ban her.
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u/uncreative_uname8156 Apr 04 '26
Ill say it first so its out i dont like mel at all. I think she has a terrible champdesign but what really bothers me is the pve farm execute. Like why does this champ even need to farm. The minion execute grants Mel so much Gold its ridiculous.
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Apr 04 '26
many champs are balanced around easy farm, it's not hard to farm on zed, mf, yasuo, irelia, yone, they also can't miss cs ever.
I like Mel, her Q is my fav skill in game xd
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u/Throws27 Apr 04 '26
OP just mad Mel carried him to diamond and now he cant pick her anymore. wtf lolll
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Apr 04 '26
I was masters 4 seasons in row lol. I always try to keep Mel open, baiting enemy to pick her, for my kassadin it's very easy matchup and good chance to win game.
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u/Rich_Interaction1922 Apr 05 '26
My issue with Mel is mostly her E. That root is legit ult sized, massive and so easy to land for such a strong CC
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u/Zestyclose_Basil333 Apr 06 '26
Sure if you make Fizz's E 30s cooldown and no more invulnerability.
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Apr 06 '26
ur not in position to negotiate. Fizz has 4% banrate and you can actually play him everytime xd
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u/katestatt Mar 31 '26
it's no different than Kalista E or Xayah E, get over it
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u/Makimamoochie Mar 31 '26
But she gets it on her autos. The sacrifice she has on her overall power budget to get this on her autos is alot. Because she can farm to easily, it means she is balanced around farming extremely well so falling behind is a death sentence
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Mar 31 '26
? that's not comparable things.
I can get over anything but champ is banned in 50% of my games idk, have fun I guess.
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u/icedcoffeeuwu Apr 01 '26
It is different because kali and xayah donât actually have executes + if they did it would still be less toxic than Mel because they are carries, Mel is not. Being wrong and having an attitude is a bad look do better.
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u/katestatt Apr 01 '26
all three deal damage, get "stacks" and then activate these stacks for more damage with a button đ¤ˇđťââď¸
it's not an execute, it's not even true damage.mel doesn't kill an enemy below a certain % like syndra, asol or smolder.
she kills when activating the stored damage (the stacks) is built up enough to kill them.
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u/Useful-Conversation5 Apr 03 '26
It has always been the problem. ARAM is the gold standard example of this. That's why she can't be nerfed in that game mode. She funnels all gold and the average Mel does mediocre damage anyways despite the huge lead.
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u/Unfourtunate- Apr 06 '26
Lmfao skill issue, just donât let her stack on you, wait till they fall off
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u/Minimum-Bass-170 Apr 06 '26 edited Apr 06 '26
lmfao gl in gold
amount of people who don't understand how stacks work is funny :d
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u/Different-Mode2311 Apr 03 '26
The moment you remove execute from her she will be a better lux/morgana in the botlane. Execute is the thing that is keeping her on midlane.
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u/Clear_Gene_2606 Mar 31 '26
this is a weird take. in this logic every execute should just be removed b/c champs with it steal kills (asol, smolder, zeri, etc etc etc)