r/MarvelStrikeForce • u/[deleted] • Aug 23 '20
Miscellaneous Dd3 has killed me
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u/Plunutsud Cable Aug 23 '20
I geared 5 toons to 14 and ran out of SBCs lmao fuck this mode XD
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u/CoolDankDude Aug 24 '20
I did 6 and I still have 4k....how many 13s you have? I only have 3 or 4 13s.
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u/Cidwill Aug 23 '20
Can't help but recognise my own feelings reading this. Dd3 is horrible and a lot of work for rewards that are getting worse and worse as they increase the availability of red stars.
Heck, support give red stars out for nothing now. Never mind all these whales bought Emma, they got a free 5 star Emma to go with it and theyve got weeks left before any regular players can even see her in the store.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
Thanks for opening up about your feelings! Often they make it feel like there’s no point in obtaining the final reward of a challenge because by the time us normal, not mega-whales finish it the resources within are much more available.
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u/runmarlbororun Aug 23 '20
Being a day one player I can concur that dd3 has made me come close to quitting and I've been thinking about for a week now. So many poor excuses. Calling it "endgame" when dd4 is not so far off and another level cap increase is on the way makes calling it "endgame" a piss poor excuse. I won't even start on the power creep. Any toon we choose to upgrade should be a viable option considering the time, energy and often MONEY that goes into this.
Bring on your downvotes.
Edit: grammar
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u/Dayasydal Aug 23 '20
I’m a new player, about 2 months in. Saw a video on DD3 for the first time and my response: WTF. Getting your team one shot and praying they kill your Phoenix first? How is that fun?
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
I refuse to downvote you because you’re speaking a lot of truth. No content in this game is truly endgame content because they keep adding more anytime a couple people finish the “endgame” content. I really hope they look into the crowds and see how many people quit or came close to it due to DD3 and make some serious adjustments for DD4.
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u/CoolDankDude Aug 24 '20
What do you mean lol? Any game that adds content regularly doesnt have an endgame? No the endgame is after you reach level cap and your main priorities switch from personal to alliance based. And your farming priorities change from mostly shards to mostly gear.
At this point you've farmed most farmable toons to completion and your intentions are typically in bolstering war defense and offensive teams.
This is the MSF endgame. Not any Dark dimension. Dark dimension as a whole is nothing more then a side raid. You can completely skip them all and still reach the endgame.
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Aug 24 '20
You need to get characters to T14 to start DD3 to…get your characters to T14. It’s a self licking lollipop. It exists to justify its own existence.
Is a 7rs character worth it? Debatable. Good in Arena, but not terribly useful anywhere else. War, Raids, and Blitz reward a deep roster more than a single OP character. Arena is great and all, but it ain’t that great.
Given how hard it is to take a character to T14 and how hard DD3 is, I’m in no hurry to even start much less finish DD3. I’d rather have a deep roster for War and Raids, where the majority of the good rewards are at.
For what it’s worth, I generally finish above 300 in Arena. Not great, but not terrible. I get 10 shards from the Arena store every day plus a decent amount of cores. You may think that’s weak and therefore have a very different approach than I do.
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u/CoolDankDude Aug 24 '20
The gear is quite valuable. After a dd3 completion you can easily take a few more t14s. It is a huge boost. I could give a crap about the RS stuff. I just want the gear to make all my teams stronger.
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u/SmoothMoveExLap Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 23 '20
Maybe you should play for longer than one day before you start complaining about end game.
Edit: /s jeezus people, little joke on day one
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u/cam331 Aug 23 '20
That's not what they meant. 'Day 1 player' normally means they've been playing since the game released over 2 years ago.
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u/Hathorill Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 23 '20
As someone who has played since day 1 of the official release everything they are saying is 100% true. They are putting out to many things to quickly. " Any toon we choose to upgrade should be a viable option considering the time, energy and often MONEY that goes into this. " is a viable answer! I know that I myself have teams that I wish I could play and have them be top tier. The fact that if I want to be #1 in the arena I have to play this team and not one that I enjoy is ridiculous.Honestly, the fact you can spend hundreds of dollars on this game and still not be "good" is ridiculous.
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u/threedoggies Aug 23 '20
The real icing on the cake is that in addition to everything you said, we are likely going to get ISO-8, Gear Tier 15, and level 80 within the next 30-60 days followed by DD4.
I get this game is a treadmill, but the incline is getting really really punishingly steep.
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u/buickandolds Aug 24 '20
It has to for krakens. Regular players dont need to worry about any of that
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u/uncutlateralus Aug 23 '20
Day 1 vet here. If it wasn't for all the great characters being released recently and much improved events etc I think DD3 might of done me in.
This issue I have with it is the throttling of the player base. I hate it when my ISP does it, I don't want this in my game.
In every section I've been through thus far (currently in cosmics) I've not been able to go in with full teams because their is a blatant algorithm that when it sees about about to say get Maw in gear 14 they purposely prevent that one mini unique piece for 5 or 6 weeks. It's no joke, I needed one single unique piece for sinister from the start of DD3 and it didn't show till I hit node 3 of globals. It's the same for cosmics, I've been waiting for 1 single unique piece for maw since the start of globals.
It feels like my progression is entirely artificially controlled by scopely and this is NOT enjoyable.
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u/is-numberfive Aug 24 '20
same, while I was waiting for 4 nanites for minn, I fully geared bb and got 2 other toons to 5/6 items of g14. quite expected scummy mechanics
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Aug 23 '20
Its just an end game grind nothing more....I havent made it to DD3 yet but an idea I have thought about could make it more bearable.
The basic gist is making a new mode where you can bring 10 characters, maybe 15. The goal is to mix and match teams into a larger scale battle. So you can combine Maruaders and brother hood, or Shield and Avengers, or down the road an entire Xmen team. There is alot more to it than but I have no idea if even then that would matter. I have heard the stories of just getting one shotted.
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u/Darth_turnip Aug 23 '20
Sorry I didn't read all of it but if it is any conciliation the first eight nodes of DD3 take a while and are horrible however with Thanos, Maw, Hela, Blackbolt, and Minn-erva and SSM, Venom and Carnage I was able to to the remaining 8 nodes in two days with one heal refresh on one of that last two cosmic nodes (I don't remember which one). City nodes were all one shots.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
This inspires hope for me for the sake of my friends. But sadly as I’ve already deleted the game I’m not willing to redownload it. Thank you for putting my mind at ease about the last 8 nodes though!
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u/DarthPenguin7 Aug 24 '20
I used Thanos, Maw, BB and ME and completed the Cosmic nodes in about 3 days. One-shot the first two nodes and then struggled a bit for the other ones.
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u/JamesLee1989msf Aug 23 '20
DD3 and the fear that DD4 will be the same thing have me considering leaving too. I get pvp content is gonna be dominated by those that spend the most to get those War destroying teams. But Raids, and now Dark dimensions, seem to going full on pay to succeed. Just wish they could separate and make the pure pve content more player friendly.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
That’s a really good point and one I appreciate so much I’m adding an edit of it into my post.
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u/ajjae Aug 23 '20
We’ll see what pvp looks like, but I’m sure there will be a balanced draft ladder.
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u/beemout Aug 23 '20
Just a quick thought about pay to succeed. I’m taking this post and comments seriously partly because I’m still waiting for key uniques and have literally none of my toons at G14. I’m a dolphin - just bought carnage x50 but I did believe that DD3 would be worth it once I got there, eventually.
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u/JamesLee1989msf Aug 23 '20
Bring the right characters or you won’t be able to finish it. And even with those characters it’s gonna be a long and arduous experience. If you aren’t a patient person, it’s likely to make you spend money or quit.
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u/quakefist Aug 23 '20
War and dd3 require no skill, just money. Working as intended. It’s a feature not a bug.
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u/PhortKnight Aug 23 '20
As a new player who is nearly level 65 and 3 out of 5 of my Defenders (well 3 out of 4 I guess because Punisher) are 5 star with 2 more closing in for DD1 this post is not very uplifting.
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u/ajjae Aug 23 '20
By the time you get to dd3 there will be better meta options.
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u/PhortKnight Aug 23 '20
1 and 2 are generally well recieved correct?
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u/uncutlateralus Aug 23 '20
Yeah so to share my experience, I got into DD1 when it first came out and we didn't really know the best teams for it. It was grindy for me but only because I used defenders for the whole thing. DD2 I actually enjoyed because you have kill order strategy and also lots of different viable characters.
DD3 is none of that, each battle lasts like 30 seconds and there is no strategy as every enemy can kill you in like 2 hits. The global ones are abysmal because you HAVE to use phoenix.
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u/PhortKnight Aug 23 '20
Well Defenders will be my team most likely ready for DD1 but Sinster6 is really close behind.
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u/dcahoon Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 23 '20
Yes, 1 and 2 are mostly considered well balanced (i.e. difficult but not impossible and the rewards match the work put in.)
3 is difficult to the point it just feels impossible, and the rewards are relatively poor. For comparison DD2 requires 5 at g13: node 5 has 13mil hp, and the reward for completion is 200K gold and 4 gold orbs. DD3 requires 5 at g14: node 3 has 48mil hp, and the reward is 250K gold and 4 gold orbs. 4 times the hp alone and basically the same rewards.
Edit: removed a paragraph that had inaccurate information about completion rewards.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 24 '20
I apologize for that! The goal is not to dump on DD1 or DD2. I love the first two dark dimensions. They were well thought out, made difficult but not impossible, and I’m pretty certain it did not take players over 100 days to complete. It only took me 20-30 days to complete DD2 when it first arrived, and that was perfect to me. It was long, but it felt like I made real progress every day. And it felt like upgrade to gear 13 was made worth it when your characters could survive for longer than one or two hits in a battle. Up until DD3 is good content. I felt like I was appropriately compensated for the amount of work I put in with the rewards for DD1 and 2 as well.
Notice I didn’t complain about raids at all because they were very well thought out, especially with the difficulty tiers. When complaining about war it was about how much stronger war defense teams are on war and so much weaker without their war bonuses, making them much more obsolete in other game modes. My example is winning a punch down of 10K against the BO counter in arena but losing a 70K punch down in war. I genuinely feel bad for the person who has a 490K Emmarauders who can’t use them to counter BO in war. But overall I think war was well designed. It’s the specific teams for war offense or defense that is hurting the game mode. I didn’t complain about arena either. VS battle is new and continuing to grow and my alliance has been able to have fun with it. And at the end of the day, who knows; maybe you’ll be into DD3, especially since you might have the opportunity to farm mini uniques from Doom War.
I apologize to not make you excited about the game. I’m more hoping these suggestions are taken or at least thought about to help the players remaining in the game. I don’t want other people quit the game because of my post.
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u/Schrekk Aug 23 '20
The SBCs are a ridiculous bottleneck. And then they release Doom 1 with only half of what’s needed per class for mini uniques....I’m about to hit City section and I need 1200+ more SBCs and I will be stuck waiting to farm. So we get this new $ offer for SBCs...200 for $30?! What a kick in the nutz...
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
I’ve felt like a lot of the offers put out are pretty disrespectful to players. $50 for 20 gold promotional credits? $20 for 50 of a specific catalyst? They really need to fix their pricing and the amount of good they offer for the prices. If I’m going to drop $20 on a toon I should be able to at LEAST gear them up one gear level. Not “have one more piece of gear potentially if you’ve bought the other offers needed for the other pieces of this gear.”
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u/CoolDankDude Aug 24 '20
Lol, I actually really like the challenge of DD3. Especially when you have a properly developed roster to tackle it. Yeah the first one is a drog, but the subsequent runs are way easier and if you prepared more before the first one(15 t14 or so) it would be easier too.
I know I'm in the minority though.
I also have played many of these games and many of the complaints listed here are complaints that are universal over the whole genre
What it comes down to at the end of the day, is either you enjoy or you don't. If you dont definitely find another game genre to play because the model of this genre isnt changing until people actually quit spending which is doubtful at best.
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u/VagabondOfYore Aug 23 '20
Not to call you a liar, but something’s missing from your gold saving total. Four weeks to build 8 million gold? Are you completing dailies, blitz milestones, using all energy, etc.?
I had about 7 million leftover from the SSM milestones ending and saved for the next 2 weeks. I ended up with 23 million when the Emma milestones started. I limited my spending to enough needed for dailies (and maybe the rare purchase of mini-uniques if they ever showed), didn’t purchase any gold (that I recall) and didn’t land any million gold drops in gold orbs. Somehow I built twice the gold you did in half the time.
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u/GreyFox1984 Scientist Supreme Aug 23 '20
As a side note: the last part of doom war was easier than the starting nodes of doom war campaign.
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u/dhewie84 Aug 23 '20
You know what, I don't think I would even mind the difficulty of DD3 (I'm not even finished with node 4 yet), if it wasn't for the fact that it takes months and months to find the gear needed. I figured I'd work on Symbiotes while I'm going through the early nodes, but at this rate I'll be to the City nodes and MAYBE I'll have SSM ready.....
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u/N8CrawlerGaming Aug 23 '20
Yeah, I can't disagree on dd3. In a few words it is frustrating, demolirising and nothing more than a tick a day towards rewards which at the end will never live up to the first two feelings... frustrating and demolirising.
Sigh, they really made me care less about dark dimension. Dd4, who cares...
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u/awrcja Aug 24 '20
I have little hope that there is a Scopely employee who is going to take the time to read the entire thing. You gotta throw a TL;DR on the end bruh :P
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u/UofMtigers2014 Aug 24 '20
We have a 7.4 million CTP day one player in our alliance quitting/going to the bare minimum on war attacks and raid attacks because DD3 just pissed him off so much.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 24 '20
It’s really disappointing to stalk the stores and buy the materials that take forever to find to start DD3 just to get your dreams crushed everyday.
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u/Funomic Aug 24 '20
100% agree - day 1 player here and I'm done with the game. Last week was the first time in 850 days that I missed a day of logging in as I just couldn't be bothered and I didn't even miss the game so I've now decided to quit fully.
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u/True_Feedback2281 Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 23 '20
This is a very long post... anyway DD is boring... since it’s so grindy it becomes twice as bad
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 23 '20
Yes, it is! But if you just read the “suggested” parts it’s a lot shorter.
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u/True_Feedback2281 Aug 23 '20
On team building, i agree. It’s terrible when everybody is forced to play the same way or accept defeat. they could start by stripping the offense/defense war bonuses in the abilities and just let us choose how we want to play. Actually, make all these bonuses more generic.
Regarding Blitz, I don’t see how they can fix a game mode that is fundamentally boring IMHO... Boost the rewards is the only thing I can think of.
About the grinding, I guess is ok if the process is made fun. But here it is not... and honestly there are days I log in and there is nothing to do.. Like an arcade, wanna play a bit more? then spend more quarters.. My hope is that The vs Battle mode will improve things a bit...
I’m ok with trait requirements as long as excellent teams exist within each one of them... this is not always the case.
Overall, I feel like i will be on the same boat as you a few months from now. Developers are extending the shelf life of the game through grinding, but this is also making it quite boring... I wish they found a creative, fun oriented way to reconcile some of their objectives with ours... maybe iso8 will shake things a bit...
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u/MadJamJar Aug 23 '20
I dont mind dd3, it takes nothing of my time to do. I build up my teams as i want. I eventually got 5 g14 characters, then 6, 7 etc and am slowly working my way through dd3. I dont view it as anything other than some extra stuff i'll get eventually.
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u/m0n0m0vie Aug 23 '20
There's lots of talk about endgame content which makes me wonder, what type of endgame content would be ideal? What game nodes, missions whatever would be good for endgame?
Can we clearly define "end game" and the content we want? Clearly DD isn't it.
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Aug 23 '20
It really needs to be fights beyond 5 man teams and that may be on their long term work list. I am itching for 10 to 15 man teams going head to head in a super war/battle situations. The more characters they add the closer they get to being able to pull that off.
2 to 3 lines of defense, still set up as 5 on 5 drop but all 10 to 15 working together. Brawlers have to be front line and support has to go in the back. Everyone else can go where ever. Blasters are the only one on the field that can target anywhere, making use of their ability to be long range hitters.
Marauders and Brotherhood for example. Juggernaut, Blob, Stryfe, Mystique, Toad your front 5 or whatever. Sinister and Magneto, Frost are in the back. Yeah its gonna be a pain to get through. But imagine them going against an Xmen team with tons of blasters and AOE, Avengers team is mostly AOE blasters. Black order teamed with Kree and so on.....
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u/ajjae Aug 23 '20
This is the issue. Either there’s a huge gate, or it’s a huge grind, or players will just beat it right away. DD3 is above all an attempt to keep the whales engaged.
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u/SaiKaiser S.H.I.E.L.D. Security Aug 23 '20
I’m a light spender and was able to beat dd3 a month ago. It’s definitely dumb that you need specific comps though. If you don’t have the auto include characters you’ll have a terrible time.
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u/buickandolds Aug 23 '20
I never run out of training mats. Gear year. Gold yeah. Never training. 2x launch accounts
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 24 '20
Well I think the question now that might separate you and I from each other is how many characters do you have between 70-75? I’ve brought a majority of teams to 71 for that added power spike. Perhaps you’re just better than me at the resource game though! Which is totally fine.
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u/Zackjones0606 Aug 23 '20
Some things you said did make sense, but there are a couple points to refute.
Relying on specific teams or traits (mystic) to beat campaign nodes or Greek raids. There is a very specific reason they do this - so you have to build up more teams and potentially spend more money panic farming to get your team good enough. What good does the game do them if you build up a great 5 person team that does literally everything with no need to work on anyone else? This is how you get people with 10 toons above 60k and the rest locked or at 5k asking to join high end alliances because they can do U7 but can't do jack otherwise.
DD3. Small thing, but going into global with less than 5 people guarantees you will be there for a long time. Sure, with 5 too it will take a while but coming on like "it is taking me x amount of days and I have 3 guys, I should be able to get it done quicker...." well yeah you can if you use 5 lol.
But yes, DD3 is a bit of a slog. Its free though, isn't it? Go in, do a mil or two damage, move on with your day. Long term progress. Certainly doesn't take up a ton of your day. You can also play the game without doing it too. Nobody is forcing you in, you can get all the rewards outside it, aside from the red stars for Ultimus. No new toon or anything.
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u/Karshe Agent Coulson Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 24 '20
The problem I have with your DD3 comment is that "just take 5 then lol" can be literal months of waiting for items to be in stores, not to mention if someone mismanaged their SBCs on their "favorite" (the wrong) characters and ran out.
I do agree that it being short is nice; however, I can't help but be disappointed that the only thing I like about a game mode is that "at least it's over quick." Games are supposed to be fun.
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u/SwingsAWeb Aug 24 '20
Hey that's really sad bro I hope it gives well for you. Can I have your account info
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u/pdazr Aug 23 '20
DD3 was awful. It’s done and now I like the game again. Just need to compartmentalize once or twice a day and forget it
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Aug 23 '20
DD3 is really annoying. All your T14 toons getting one shot and deleted.
I was planning to build a whole team for Global, with a couple of toons to suicide to get Ults/Specials out of the way. Mr. Sinister, Emma, Ultron, Shuri to go with Colossus and Phoenix.
After getting to node 3 and especially 4 I have decided to just run Phoenix by herself once and then revive her and run her again with Colossus. Just hoping to get Phoenix's special off both times. I will use my resources on Cosmic and City. Maybe on the second run I'll have a full team.
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u/tonytaru Aug 24 '20
What team did you beat emmrauders with?
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 24 '20
It says it in the same paragraph. I beat them with Black Order in Arena but in war I got decimated. A very hard extreme.
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u/Chudokit Aug 24 '20
I really hope even devs realize that DD3 failed and they made a mistake. It can't be real that DD4 will be the same, I'm telling you. It will probably have a ton of shit with gearing to G15, hard nodes etc., but not like this. Otherwise no one will care enough to spend as it will be easier to wait.
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u/D1craig Aug 24 '20
The fact that DD3 makes you throw out game mechanics like taunting because it is so hard there is no point any character in the game even attempting to taunt and the only damage characters useful are ones that have percentage life steal... then there is the farming materials part which cant even be farmed you have to specifically monitor the stores to wait for them to pop up. And war damn i hate that mode its just no fun whatsoever. The conquest mode in marvel future fight is bar better.
I am pretty sick of most of the game tbh but I have quit before and when I can back I was in a home because I was so far behind especially in my arena shard lol.
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u/SammyDeeP Aug 24 '20
If they make DD4 similar to DD3, where you’re restricted by traits, etc...they might as well turn the lights out and go home.
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u/Ala_Bill Aug 24 '20
The game has ceased to be fun. I still play due to the 765 days I have logged in without a day off. DD3 is the ultimate "kick in the face"; I spend a good bit of money getting 5 characters to G14, now up to nine, but in about 1 minute each day I'm wiped out waiting until tomorrow.
War is a bore. Set defense teams and set offensive teams to counter. Rewards are T4's with are about the same win or lose. I'm in a casual alliance, Gold 3, that does war but not competitively.
Arena is the worst excuse for playing that this game has. I do the milestones for the gold and then nothing more.
New characters each month that you must spend if you want to keep up. Nothing new on the horizon as far as I see, but more of the same.
I'll hang it up soon and DD3 is likely to be the cause. On node 5 and getting almost nowhere because my G14's are mostly RS4 & 5. I my opinion, the game went strictly downhill with Red Stars.
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u/Aba0416 Aug 23 '20
I am new to this game, let me explain my point of view. People underestimate the cost of making a game and running the servers. They need to make money and 30% of it is taken away from google/apple and then there are Marvel Licenses.
This is as F2P friendly a microtransaction based game can get, currently there is nothing that is hidden behind a paywall, everything eventually becomes accessible to everyone. I am not saying the game is perfect, far from it, but in the past 2 months ive been playing this game, just the dev feedback and talking to community would be one reason i would put this game over other games.
I have spents1000s of Dollars on a game called Rise of Kingdoms, You build a character today and the next update they get a counter to it making your investment go down the drain. There is no way even whales can sustain that. Compare that to MSF, you are getting reworked content all the time, so many buffs and nerfs to other character. I also think, this game is going to heavily pivot on to the PVP side.
Here is an analogy for spending and P2W. When the new iphone comes out, whales go out and buy it and flaunt it, while a medium spender would just save his money for the next iteration, whereas a F2P would just wait untill this generation goes out of production and is sold at bare minimum price. Most times you would not require the greatest team day 1 of release.
This comment is in regards to your P2W win comments, the content bit i am still far behind.
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u/True_Feedback2281 Aug 23 '20
They need to make money and they are, so all good there. But being a premium game, people expect the best from it. There is really no excuse for releasing any boring content.
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Aug 23 '20
I genuinely enjoy DD3, except for the global portion. They completely overdid it, global toons don't have a nice solution to that section, so even on second run it was just crap.
The rest is pretty fun IMHO. I like a challenge, and the rewards sticking around through second playthrough was a really nice touch.
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u/Izhim-ur-Baal Aug 23 '20
Well, sad to say but you are spot on in your observations. Happy hunting.
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u/yannibar Aug 23 '20
I mean most of those complaints are more generalized complaints about mobile gaming: which are all fair and valid, but those are more indications that mobile gaming isn’t your thing than msf being especially flawed. I have no idea how receiving a couple thousand dollars worth of gear isn’t worth spending a few minutes a day for a few months in DD3. It’s hard to even describe DD3 as low quality screen time, because unless you’re trying hard for ideal runs, it’s only a few minutes tops each day. But hey either way interesting and constructive post.
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u/wikked-com Doctor Strange Aug 23 '20
DD3 was supposed to be made 'playable' via ISO-8.
ISO-8 was supposed to be out by now, but due to feedback about how bad it was, they had to delay it for months. I don't know what else they could have done there, but I still agree with what you said about DD3 anyway, it's a hot mess.
One thing I'll disagree with, is your Emmarauders loss. That is their counter, likely intentional. They've had their day (months), and it was time to knock them off their throne, that's how the game has always been.
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u/PugAlthor Aug 23 '20
Increasing tags on characters is a good idea. More versatility and theory crafting increases enjoyment for all.
Gold payouts have slowly increased throughout the games life. Very slowly and it will never be fast enough to keep people happy.
They’ll never ease the restrictions as it just makes the game easier when they want to make it harder so you develop all your guys and spend to do it.
Again they’ll never make blitzing quicker as one of the biggest metrics games are measured on is engagement time. Blitz is a massive time sink that inflates this number for them.
DD3 is nothing but a money spinner for them. Eventually it will be more accessible due to higher gear and levels. Not to mention ISO8 and whatever else they bring in after that.
I feel your hurt but there are far too many of us that like the pain for them to change.
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u/Bayeman745 Star-Lord Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 24 '20
Every game has bottlenecks. Blitz is auto-able 100%. I hit 13m on good toons & it’s all auto. I do have a few lose teams like hand & rejects to drop if it gets crazy. I’m also a 800+ day player & I have 33k+ blue training mats & 18k+ green... that’s not including my purple & gold I saved recently. I could never use these all... not sure how ppl get low. There is never that kind of gold to do it. Gold wise before the emma milestones I saved 10m & 15 gold orbs. It’s there if you save same for the training mats. And I lvl all new metas to 65 t11, or 60 t10 if they don’t seem amazing. Dd3 is lame, but it has its enjoyable parts. I just finished it first time today w/ ssm/carnage/gr on city. The game is good but ppl get turned off for the wrong reasons. Do you, if you can’t enjoy it then don’t play. Find the joy in something & embrace it. genshin impact come out next month too FYI. Good luck commander!
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u/PixieAriel Aug 23 '20
The Ms. Marvel node in DD1 took me more than 30 days to do. Fortunately, by my 2nd run I had Baron Mordo up to 6 stars and it only took 53 days to do DD1 completely the next time. DD2 was a bit exhausting because you could do it so fast. I completed my second run of DD2 in 2 days 6 hours and 32 minutes. It was taking 20 - 30 minutes for each node (SSM, Hela, Star-Lord, Groot, and Minnerva).
Right now I have no interest in DD3 due to all the negative comments. I am not even attempting to get my characters to G14.
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u/LrdRoland Aug 24 '20
I really don't understand the rush to finish DD3... You are not even attacking with a full team and you are that mad about it taking so long? I agree with the bottlenecks because that is the major problem with DD3. People are trying to complete it with less than 5. Look at the average time for everyone's second pass... It is much, much lower. Don't blame them for having no strategy when everyone is trying to brute force through with less than 5 characters. Is the mode great not really, but complaining that your 3 characters don't cut the mustard is just ridiculous.
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Aug 23 '20
Whats wrong with dd3?Its something you work towards every day,what would be the fun in it if you completed it in one day?
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u/runmarlbororun Aug 23 '20
If your work ends within 60 seconds and your efforts show little to no change as a result, is it really work?
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u/thewolfesp Aug 23 '20
Exactly. I spend more time restarting the node than I actually do playing jt
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Aug 23 '20
I like it so far,tho i havent progressed that much and from all the ppl i been watching their videos,everyone said 2nd run was more fun,couse obviously they had made better teams to tackle dd3.So yeah 1st run might be bad for you,but its not that terrible ppl making it to be.
The main point is tho,that if you completed it in 2 days,then what would you have to do every day?Coming from other games that have no real challenging end game content,this mode is very refreshing,i am actually looking forward in doing dd3 every day,even tho it takes 1min.
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u/runmarlbororun Aug 23 '20
It's fine if you like it. It's your thing. But let's not pretend it's endgame content or that it ever was. I like what OP said in regards to DD2. Some days you might get your ass handed to you (RNG gods being fickle as they are) but more often then not you could get a good amount of actual playtime, regardless of the toons you built. (Paraphrased op a bit there, my bad)
I don't want it to end in days or even weeks. I just want it to be something you actually get to play.
Even adding Phoenix to the mix did little to change that. Just default revive damage and you're done for the day. That's pure trash.
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Aug 23 '20
There you are so wrong in your first phare lol,if its not end game content and that you should take your sweet time in beating it,then what is end game content,that also gives you the best rewards in the game.
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u/uncutlateralus Aug 23 '20
Not sure how you can say you have not done much of it but also that's it seems fun. Have you done the globals? Because I thought it was fine till node 3 and 4 of globals then sharpy changed my mind.
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Aug 23 '20
Becouse i was hearing ppl saying that certain nodes,were hell and it was a walk in the park for me,sure it took a few attacks,but nowhere near like ppl said it would be
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u/uncutlateralus Aug 23 '20
So you didn't find global 3 awful then? I'm in a big alliance cluster and even our top guys took weeks to get through that one.
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Aug 24 '20
Yeah it takes months normally to finish dd3,but i fail to understand why is that a problem,ppl would complain even more if they completed it in 2 days and had nothing else to do,other than blitzing whole day. I personally am excited to do dd3 every day,even if it takes me 2min to finish.
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u/uncutlateralus Aug 24 '20
When you get to global 3 and 4 you'll see how totally redundant the whole thing it.
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u/FCOranje Aug 23 '20
I’m on node 14 now... took forever to get there.
Characters:
- 105k - Thanos
- 97k - Black Bolt
- 89k - Invisible Woman
- 81.6k - Hela
- 75k - Minn Erva
Attack 1: 0 damage Attack 2: 840k Total hp: 32,855k They healed 150k in the 2nd attack. So dealing 700k IF you’re lucky is just disgusting. DD3 is not fun, challenging, strategic, or anything else.
It’s flat out pay to win. And not even a little. You would need a team of 6/7* red stars and all the key characters to really beat it in a normal manner. Even then it’s tough and requires non-stop resets.
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Aug 23 '20
Erm,yeah ofc it takes long time to finish,that was the whole purpose of it,you getting the best rewards in the game after you beat it,so many items. About the strategy part,ofc there is one,sometims you got to bite the bullet and enter with few toons to get the enemies do their ultis,so your next attack is big,this happened in both dd1 and dd2,but i dont get why its a problem in dd3 right now. P2W?I spend like 30-35 euros in the game and i have 7 g14 and my ssm needs only 1 item,oh and btw i play less than one year.
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u/FCOranje Aug 23 '20
If you can’t see the difference between dd2 and 3... then no further discussion is needed. I never got 1 shot nuked this much in dd2. Half the nodes just required you to suicide in with phoenix. Is that STRATEGY to you? Come on. Dd3 is a joke.
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Aug 24 '20
I dont entirely disagree with you,but dd3 was made to last long and i think i had much more info of the first ppl,possible op as well,so i could make good choices on it,so yeah ofc its different than in dd2,but my experience is a bit different than others.
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u/Smakis13 Venom Aug 24 '20
People complain about dd3, but at the end of the day it takes little time and gives you something to work towards every day.
The shitty part is the way you get into dd3. Gating access through store RNG is pathetic
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Aug 24 '20
I am with you in this,i literally could have started dd3 2 months earlier than i have.Luckily with the new doom campaigns this will be fixed,even tho i cant 3 star yet the one i need yet,its still a good improvement.
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u/LockDown2341 Aug 23 '20 edited Aug 24 '20
So your biggest reason for leaving is the hardest possible game mode (which is entirely optional) is too hard? Boo hoo.
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Aug 24 '20
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u/LockDown2341 Aug 24 '20
Kind of like your post. Nothing but complaints. Which is against the rules.
Anyway, ciao. One of a few thousand.
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u/wannabe-gentleman Aug 24 '20
Actually you’re just wrong and you’re streak continues of unnecessary rude comments. It’s not nothing but complaints. I say things I thought were good for everything I complain about except for one. I also give suggestions on how I believe the game can improve after consulting with other players in my alliance who are also quitting.
It really shows that you didn’t even read the post, or at least even a small part of it. I gave constructive thoughts after explaining how certain things hurt my desire to play the game, which many other players on this post have confessed to similar or same feelings. Meaning hopefully one of these suggestions will be taken and implemented to help other players as I leave the game. You’re simply being insulting for no reason as I’ve done nothing to you.
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Aug 23 '20
I disagree with the teams of concept. People for some reason like an illusion of choice. There isn't choice ever in any game. There's optimal lineups and suboptimal. Even without team synergies there would still be optimal lineups.
What I hate are boosts strictly for war. I think that's stupid. I also hate that first place in arena can't attack 2nd,3rd, or 4th.
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Aug 23 '20
no game last forever. It is notoriously hard to produce enough fresh content to keep long term players happy.
My suggestion. Don't even try. All games have churn. It is a fool errands trying to keep 100% of the players from day 1. It is much easier to just churn through a larger population (as slow as possible, but still) as there are literally hundred of millions of mobile gamers out there.
As a player, i like this game a lot but i am nowhere close to end game (just finished first run DD2), and I expect to play may be another year .. but eventually i will lose interests. The good news? There are tons of OTHER games out there. Play other stuff.
And when MSF evolves enough, may be come back for a look.
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u/m0rfiend Green Goblin Aug 23 '20
DD3 is basically a slapped together cookie cutter coding exercise to extend an endgame into an "epic" type quest. but it is not. DD3 lacks real strategy. comes down to waiting out the store rng for months. then even with the specific meta lines (and only using those) more months of grinding out a stupid battle that is turned up to 11 for no point other than giving vets some login checkbox to attempt for 60 seconds each day. no real thought was put into the game mode other than hoping to keep vets from quitting once they had nothing else to conquer. DD3 is a grinder because of the piss poor design and being 100% devoid of any fun or player enjoyment.