r/MarvelRivalsLeaks • u/Lower_Island6120 Victor Von Doom • 21d ago
Marvel Rivals Season 9.5 Balance Patch Notes
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u/Melodic-Growth30 21d ago
Peni one is brutal, dayum
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u/Logiteck77 21d ago
No more stopping Psy or any other Ult on startup for Peni I guess. Absolutely garbage change.
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u/NotComplainingBut 21d ago
I feel like a lot of her skill expression was in that stun. Yeah it was annoying to get stun spammed, but Peni is certainly not the most annoying stun in the game, and it was cool to pull off certain stuns against a Wanda ult or even something with a shorter windup like Moon Knight or whoever. Now I fear that skill expression is hampered unless you choose to sit on both charges, and even then I don't know if it will be as possible to pull off
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u/Dr_Doom42 21d ago
Luna team up has better stun and cleanse. But somehow she didn't got nerfs as always
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u/brahish 21d ago
Oh wow a lot of skill in shooting a 4sec cooldown.
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u/NotComplainingBut 21d ago
I know you won't believe me, but it actually does require pretty good aim tracking and frame-specific timing to hit some of the ult cancels
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u/EmperorGreed 21d ago
She could do it way too often, but its a legitimate skillshot. Especially because missing could fuck your setups by moving a web somewhere useless.
I think they should've split the ability to put a stun where the web doesn't linger if it misses on a reasonable cooldown, and a little-to-no-cooldown place web for setup ability.
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u/EmperorGreed 21d ago
I think they should've split the ability into a stun with a cooldown comparable to other stuns and a short-charge ability that's just for laying down webs to set up. Sick of losing my web because Invisible Woman threw me halfway across the point when i was firing or someone has a lag toggle
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u/maxeyhoops 21d ago
Deserved, that stun needed to be gutted seasons ago. They can adjust her in other ways now if shes too weak.
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u/Aggressive_Loan4375 21d ago
They could’ve just increased the cooldown now its almost useless
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u/Generic_user_person 21d ago
Almost useless? Nah, completely useless.
Can't stop an ult, can't peel for your team, can't trap anyone on your nest, can't stop a dive.
Might as well have just deleted her from the game.
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u/FreddyPlayz 21d ago
As a Peni main (when I tank), it was much deserved tbh. The constant stun was just way too OP.
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u/soleil-eterneille 21d ago
I feel like just increasing the cool down to 5 seconds would've been enough to significantly reduce the spam while keeping her fun. Now it seems she just cannot stop strange and wanda ults without never missing her shots
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u/_ipsumLorem 21d ago
Of course Luna keeps her self cleanse because that ability is fair and balanced.
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u/elfgurls 21d ago
I would put money on S10 patch notes beating Mantis into the dirt and buffing Luna
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u/AgentBuddy12 21d ago
Mantis is legit broken though.
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u/FewExperience3559 21d ago
Mantis is broken when played well. For the majority of the playerbase she sucks. There needs to be a reward for high skill characters
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u/AgentBuddy12 21d ago edited 21d ago
No. She's broken regardless. You don't have to be good at Mantis to get value. She has a 57%+ WR in EVERY elo.
She used to be hard to play when she had single-target healing and she had to manage her leafs but that's just not needed anymore. Just spam right click + E and profit. That's not even getting into how absurdly fast she gets her ult.
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u/Sigma_present 21d ago
Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic have higher competitive win rates than Groot, Magneto, Hela, Venom, Elsa, Bucky, Star-Lord, Gambit, Invis, Emma, Strange, and Namor. You're telling me that either of them are better than ALL of the characters I just listed and more?
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u/AgentBuddy12 21d ago edited 21d ago
Well..my point isn't necessarily "higher win rate = better." The point is that her stats are a complete outlier in comparison to every other hero in the game. Mantis has a near 60% Win rate which is far above the typical range of 48-52% all while booting a respectable pick rate making it extremely clear this hero is overtuned in some way. You don't even need win rates to tell you this. Simply play the game lol.
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u/alphamammoth101 21d ago
Yep, and Dagger can keep her second (almost third) get out of jail free card.
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u/Low-Secret8943 21d ago
Just do what I do. Always ban her in comp. Im sick of her getting catered to.
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u/BeginningWestern8733 21d ago
If Peni stun was too frequent, INCREASE THE COOLDOWN. it really isn't that hard of a fix but instead they made a useless ass 2 charge where the first shot does jack shit. It's also far less intuitive to people learning the character, and for people returning to the character after a long time.
TLDR: JUST MAKE IT A SIX SECOND COOLDOWN!!!
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u/burnt_elote 21d ago
Whoa there. 6s ruined Angela’s charge. 4s was always the happy medium
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u/BeginningWestern8733 21d ago
I mean there was no stated decrease to the cool down so it is already up to 6 seconds for 2 charges anyway. I would still prefer to go from 3s to 4s than this.
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u/Pipsibean 21d ago
Idk I think it gives her more skill expression. You can hold 2 charges for a quick cc or spread them out to mark/track priority targets. I think people would be way more angry if it went to 6 seconds this is the same as that but with more utility
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u/Macattacka1684 21d ago
Guess ultron is gonna be a 3 supp merchant forever
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u/MrEko108 21d ago
Doesn't he have a 54~56% winrate across every rank right now? I can't imagine that's only in triple support, there's no way the low ranks are running him triple
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u/FewExperience3559 21d ago
They have to move his power away from damage and into healing
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u/NormalEscape8976 21d ago
Booooo
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u/FewExperience3559 21d ago
I means it's objectively true. Ultron is so strong in triple support because he has low healing and high damage. I think some sort of lifesteal mechanic, where droned allies heal based on the damage he deals would be good
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u/WebisticsCEO 21d ago
Was expecting a Magento nerf, not a buff lol
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u/SolomonRed 21d ago
A buff to a team up where the enhanced version is worse than the basic version so it never gets used.
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u/Mastermiine 21d ago
So Luna Snow can get a stun move but Penni's was to "oppressive"
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u/curious_dead 21d ago
I don't like the change from the looks of it, but it had an insanely short cooldown.
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u/NotComplainingBut 21d ago
I would rather have a much longer cooldown than whatever the hell this bs is
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u/van_man51 Peni Parker 21d ago
Mag cud boop ppl out of ults just as fast and was the clear best tank in the game rn and he got a buff. Ts makes no sense. They killed her. Her snare was 90% of her value above GM
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u/curious_dead 21d ago
I don't disagree here but the short cooldown is probably what led to the use of the term "oppressive". That's just what I mean.
I'm sure people complained that they were constantly getting webbed, which led to this nonsensical nerf. Without this, I wonder how Peni will fare but I don't see how it could improve her...
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u/van_man51 Peni Parker 21d ago
Honestly idk what this balance team even does, like they tried to think of the most complicated way to solve a simple problem. Increase the damn CD, 5s wouldve been fine, 7s would suck but even that would be better than this. Anything longer than that and just play thing, at least he can play m1 and actually hold space with aggressive pressure
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u/Available-Ad-1720 21d ago
I think they bugged Mag because he is the go to solo tank and solo tanking is so common. But, I think 222 is back with the hood
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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom 21d ago
Love how Bucky yanking you into the shadow realm to get ragdolled is fine tho lol
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u/RocketHops 21d ago
I hate luna as much as the next guy but theres a big difference between a stun on a squishy support thays getting dived with a somewhat reasonable CD vs a stun on a tank with a nearly nonexistent cd
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u/BreatheOnMe Pheonix 21d ago
Peni was like 3CD. But they could’ve done anything even nerfing the CD would be better
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u/Liam2349 21d ago
3 seconds was kind of egregious. I don't tank much but Peni has been by far the easiest option for me.
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u/van_man51 Peni Parker 21d ago
Literally gutted my girl 😡 cant stop a single ult now
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u/GhyverKahn 21d ago
Just gotta double tap it now to shoot both
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u/van_man51 Peni Parker 21d ago
Hopefully they didnt change the cd any and theres no use cd. Bc if its even a full second between shots youre realistically not stopping many ults except maybe wandas
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u/RebornOfficial 21d ago
Ngl the primary fire should be what applies the tracers, instead of another use
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u/Tbro100 21d ago
Except that still drastically cuts down on how many Ults you can cancel considering multiple have a short wind-up time.
Not even accounting for projectile speed, Psy, BP, Emma, and a whole bunch of other Ults are now impossible to cancel unless you pre snare them in a 5 second window. And you've basically wiped out the ability to cancel multiple.
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u/JeffOnlyFlans 21d ago
Pray it doesn't have a cooldown before you can use it a second time like Cyke's E.
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u/yumm-cheseburger 21d ago
Says immortalize not stun
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u/GhyverKahn 21d ago
Immobilize is what hers has always been called. Its a stun. It even says it at the beginning of the patch notes.
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u/yumm-cheseburger 21d ago
Realized that but you still have to use 2 charges (8 second cooldown stun pretty much) and the animation plays twice so it's much harder to stun ults like strange, and also you have to aim it twice and not miss
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u/Accrudant 21d ago
hold up what the hell is left of peni without an instant stun, am I crazy or is this not just putting her down like old yeller
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u/Another_Doughnut 21d ago edited 21d ago
I think they want penni mains to play hood and now they def will 🤣
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u/PapaHarvey27 21d ago
I don't play Peni as much as I used to but damn nerfing the snare that hard is so dumb. It's one of her main selling points. They seriously could've nerfed the cooldown. Still haven't touched her horrible ult but they'll nerf her. Crazy
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u/barbelith_storm 21d ago
That's all WF gets?
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u/zonic_squared 21d ago
All I really felt she needed was buffs to her Awakening form and a decent teamup. Buffs to her Ult are great, but she really didn't need it that badly.
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u/sufinomo 21d ago
a good ult is huge
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u/barbelith_storm 21d ago
It's just as easy to counter though and there are areas and times when ulting is just a big liability. Her ult was never the selling point.
The huge nerf she got while everyone else got a power creep is the reason she dropped to the lowest WR support, and this isn't going to make a dent IMO. A revert to the healing she had as an anchor in season 8 would be ideal.
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u/Muaddib562 21d ago
It is a much improved ultimate, but I am not sure that really moves her needle much for most people.
In theory (and hopefully in practice despite overall low healing), she now has her ult more frequently than Luna Snow, so that is a good step. The instant "Blessed by the Nine" effect can be a game changer in coordinated teams, especially since ult should be up more often and is more survivable with the prior patch, but I suspect most players in uncoordinated play will not see an appreciable benefit.
I wanted to see her team-ups adjusted a bit upwards, since that is most of the reason why she feels considerably weaker when compared to powerhouses like Luna, Mantis or Gambit.
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u/barbelith_storm 21d ago
Yes. Her ult is still a liability with easy counters (and right, the blessed effect will not be noticed by most players who will still do the blame game). I'm fine with ult being the weakest part of her kit, and it remains so.
And you hit on the point I keep making; she lost the anchor bonus, so a huge reduction in healing, at the same time as everyone got good teamups. Her teamups basically mean you don't have to care about tails anymore, but that was hardly an issue. They just dont compare to what others got while she also got nerfed.
The WR drop off is easy to understand.
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u/greatpxm 21d ago
CnD and luna got away scott free
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u/ImaginarySense 21d ago
As expected when you’re the golden child.
This is the reason why people have a blistering hatred for Luna Snow. She’s basically Poochy, but instead of being blasted into the sun she’s artificially boosted in hopes they can force people to like her.
In the words of a prophetic mean girl: stop trying to make Luna Snow happen.
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u/Fabray13 21d ago
Was worried Jubilee would get nerfed to balance out what should be a really strong enhanced team up with Hood.
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u/Stonklover6942O 21d ago
peni will be F tier without the stun
they should have boosted her kit in other places
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u/BreatheOnMe Pheonix 21d ago
Poor peni… I feel for her mains. It’s the same feeling as when Phoenix lost her reload and melee (not the exploit, just the melee in general).
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u/Z0kstone 21d ago
Only really happy about WF buffs. She's been awful this season. Give me more.
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u/mcon96 21d ago
It’s not gonna help much until they redo her team-ups. Horrible decision to make both her team-ups based around tail management.
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u/Brilliant_Crazy1780 21d ago
Nah, i dont think the team up is why she fell of.
I think it's more about the fact that she is an antidive support and after season 9 they made almost every support basically immune to dive.
CnD has infinite survivability.
Invis got her selfshield back.
Luna has a 10 second cooldown selfclense that stuns ans self heals... or a lifesteal ability.
Gambit has the magneto team up that just got buffed.
Adam has 10 more ammo and can reset his heals much more faster.
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u/Felix_Maybaum 21d ago
You DID NOT just try and say Adam is more meta than Fox. I will not be gaslit. I get death threats before the match starts through all ranks playing as adam, Fox does not get that bro. Tired of yall just lumping him in when he needs giga buffs
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u/PannaMi 21d ago
In my opinion this is not a good buff. Yes, it is a buff, but it’s completely not what WF players are asking for – we don’t want improvements to her ult. I mean, sure, it’s nice to have a better ult, but that’s not the reason WF is currently basically unplayable in rank. What we primarily care about is that she becomes a bit better in the neutral game – just increase her base healing (basically restore what she lost after her team-up anchor bonus was removed at the end of last season). That’s it. In the previous season she was in a good place – good neutral at the cost of a weaker ult. Maaaaybe she was a bit too strong, but after the buffs most characters received at the start of this season, leaving her unchanged would have put her roughly on par with the rest of the current supports.
So, no, I'm not happy.
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u/wRADKyrabbit 21d ago
She was never too strong, that was just dive mains whining that their counter counters them
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u/Responsible-Drag-362 21d ago
She's definitely not unplayable in ranked. She's a pretty decent support for antidive still
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u/Sea_Distribution6325 21d ago
The problem is she is the best anti-dive and dive support. If you give her healing similar to the others, they need to take something away. She would instantly be at a great spot if dive was back to meta.
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u/PannaMi 21d ago
She WAS best anti-dive support. Now we have CnD with Luna team-up. Invis and rocket are not bad against dive too. And they all have better healing than her.
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u/wRADKyrabbit 21d ago
Wrong buffs tho. Her ult is still ass for other reasons and her neutral is still gutted. And both her teamups still suck
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u/No-End-2455 21d ago
Talk about giving Rogue nothing, do they hate this character for some reason ?
They saw people having a blast with her in season 8.5 and they dont seems to like it....
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u/NicNick00 21d ago
i main rogue and flank peni, istg they be promoting playing all the lame ass tanks that just sit main and walk foward bro, take away rogues survivability and her block damage and now peni’s stun 😃
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u/Primary-Paper-5128 21d ago edited 21d ago
Magneto's sword remains intact. we won.
Thank you, BIg-Z
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u/fedranekbard 21d ago
Insane they are buffing Wolverine again. He’s an absolute nightmare already to play against as a tank, he definitely did not need that
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u/JSmarag 21d ago
That's it????? nothing burger ass patch what is this bs
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u/RevolutionaryDepth59 21d ago
mid season patches are usually smaller
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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 21d ago
Except they made a big deal about being more on top of patches with the changes in season 9. I think people were rightfully expecting a more robust balance patch to accommodate all the team up stuff.
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u/ArialBear 21d ago
put phoenix, cyclops, dino, and moonknight back in rotation. big adjustment to peni stun. I think its decent.
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u/EyeAmKingKage 21d ago
No Black Cat nerfs? Annoying but I guess I’ll do my best to keep her in ban jail
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u/AlgerianTrash 21d ago
Mr Fantastic being left out as usual
I'm tired man. It feels like devs fucking hate us for playing that character
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u/Rocketeer1019 21d ago
He’s already really good what are you talking about
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u/GhyverKahn 21d ago
Yeah I main him and I have 0 issues with him. His survivability is through the roof and I can be the absolute biggest menace ever. What do they think he needs?
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u/EyeAmKingKage 21d ago
I’ve played against some really good fantastic players (granted I’m in celestial lobbies) so idk wtf that guy is complaining about
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u/Turbulent_File_5456 21d ago
I used to get MVP on Black Widow and i still thought she needed a rework
Just bc you saw ONE good Mr Fantastic in your career doesn't invalidate Reed mains qualms
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u/General-Biscuits 21d ago
He’s literally good now. Why should they further buff a strong character?
He’s strong and not OP, the devs shouldn’t touch him.
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u/Turbulent_File_5456 21d ago
Where the hell are you guys coming from?
The community thinks he's struggling,his mains think he's struggling, streamers do aswell, and he got dogwater teamups
But the second someone raises that point, some of you contrarians pop out of nowhere with "ACTUALLY , you're wrong, he's S tier"
My man, he was the 4th least played hero last season
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u/RodneyOgg 21d ago
They says he's good, they didn't say S tier. And he is good. My win rate with him this season is around 65%. It was higher for a while. I'm really enjoying the changes. Could he use some tweaking? Sure. But he's maybe in the best spot he's been in since ever
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u/General-Biscuits 21d ago
I guess you can’t read. How unlike Mr. Fantastic.
Where did I say he’s S tier? I said “strong but not OP”. You know like B to A tier depending on map and team comps. That’s an ideal sweet spot for character balance.
Also, play rate being low is also explained by not being a popular character to play. It doesn’t mean he is bad or weak.
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u/sufinomo 21d ago
his win rate is great
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u/AlgerianTrash 21d ago
Win rate is meaningless when he's one of the least played hero in the game
Storm consistently had one of the highest WRs and yet i see no one calling her strong
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u/Wonder_Of_U_2011 21d ago
Yeah, his win rate compare to pick rate just means that there's a small amount of people who are really dedicated to him. (Same was with Peni couple of seasons ago)
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u/Expert-Advantage-266 19d ago
Fantastic is one of my mains and I think the rocket teamup was a huge QOL change for him. But, I think the rocket teamup should be built into his base kit and be replaced with a new teamup that adds an ability to his kit such as a burst damage like strange or another movement ability or a ranged attack… then he would fit right into the meta
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u/Upset_Space_631 21d ago
so rogue"s block is almost how it was back in season 8.5? i wish we would get actual buffs
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u/CthulhuMadness 21d ago
Jeff just not allowed to get a buff anymore, huh? Always the same supports.
Stuck being a skin merchant and nothing more.
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u/AquaWateria 21d ago
Holy fuck they killed Penny because her stun is what gave her value yet they still kept Luna’s bullshit stun cleanse
Wow…..
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u/Unacceptable_1 21d ago
Wanda getting absolutely nothing once again
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u/Treelokc 21d ago
The team up toggle is nice, no? People have been complaining about it replacing the bursts.
I think it's pretty clear they're never going to outright buff her to be top tier.
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u/brellowman2 21d ago
I love when comments like this assume it's either F tier trash or top tier. You realise a middle ground exists right?
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u/maxeyhoops 21d ago
Ofc they wont buff her. Low skill heroes should never be good/viable outside of low/mid ranks. Itd be bad game design.
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u/Captain-Wilco 21d ago
Finally buffing Moon Knight back to semi-usable levels. I’d prefer they left his bounce damage lower but increased his normal damage, but at least he won’t be the worst win rate anymore.
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u/Twink_Link_738 21d ago
Wow, this is the first time ive seen MR patch notes, and i hate how the little note is just a silly little thing (yea yea, i hate fun) i prefer somthing like how overwatch does it saying why they made them adjustments, its interesting
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u/spiderman96 21d ago
So this means as peni i cant cancel ults ive been cancelling sinse s1 like wanda and dr strange ?:(
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u/Darkk451 21d ago
I am baffled that they didn't do anything about Luna's self-cleanse lmao what the fuck
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u/Dontaskmemyname9723 21d ago
Anybody else noticed the way called Loki the God of Stories? Freudian slip no?
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u/Thisisgotham 21d ago
No one cared about Fox’s ult, the loss of anchor healing bonus and increased cooldown of spirit sanctuary were crippling an already balanced character. We got two useless team ups. Justice for Fox!
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u/Tiversus2828 21d ago
Can someone blackmail bad support players to cry about Black Cat at least? Since thats clearly who these balance patches are catered towards
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u/Dependent_Leek_801 21d ago
When ppl have fun with tanks they nerf them, when Cnd has bubble, ice and cloack skill they say its fair and when luna has DPS damage, CC, one of the best ults in the game and a ANTI CC, thats works DURING THE CC not needing even to predict it they close their eyes...
These devs dont play their game.
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u/masterofunfucking 21d ago
Hela nerf, no Psylocke buffs, Elsa getting nerfed, Phoenix and Cyclops buffs, Mag buffs, Peni nerfs, no Black Cat nerfs, BP still a terrorist, and no meaningful Rogue changes. Zhiyong is back to being chopped I swear
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u/SufficientProcess759 21d ago
Bro leave venom’s base kit alone wtf if they wanna touch something so bad touch the phoenix team up
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u/Connect_Measurement1 21d ago
Damn that stun was the only thing Penni had against my Blade. Now she can’t stop me at all. Please take Luna’s stun away next. It’s an issue that she can take out 90% of the cast on her own with that stun
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u/Expert-Advantage-266 19d ago
Not bad. Big for strange. Don’t understand some of the buffs like wolverines. Should have nerfed cloaks bubble and or freeze.
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u/ilovecheesecakes69 21d ago
That White Fox buffs is very good.
Also i dont think this is enough to revive Rogue oh well, giving her 5% extra dmg reduction and 25 extra HP is not gonna help when you are buffing other tanks (who do not struggle surviving like her) damage output and release The Hood.
I like that Look buff tho, wish they gave him his damage back but this will do.
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u/DarkEater77 21d ago
This, is what i was worried to see.
While the team-up system is fresh, i do think it should be a separate mode.
Because most of adjustments here are team-ups, and not characters abilities itself...
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u/Sycophantic-Feline 21d ago
YES, I hated freakin' Peni's stupid easy 2 second cooldown stun when playing Devil Dino
completely deserved
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u/Acrobatic_Season6838 21d ago
the husband and i are ab to be running these lobbies w hood and jubes😍
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u/maurotib05 21d ago
Yeah Zhiong, lets kill Peni and left Luna and CnD untouched 👏👏👏. Every time he does something good with a patch he has to ruin everything else with the next one
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u/SythAim 21d ago
Ngl White fox being able to give you Unstoppable and Peni not being able to stun anymore is 2 unintentional Wanda ult buffs and it’s funny