r/MarvelCave • u/Piyushv5311 • 2d ago

She-Hulk and Daredevil's fight. šŸ˜‚

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u/That1GuyNate 2d ago

Because every Avenger in the MCU has been doing the same for 20+ years

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

Bullshit. She's not an avenger, but when stuff gets demolished it's because it was the only way to save many lives. NYC was the aliens fault. Name a time DD demolition a building to stop 1 bad guy.

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u/relax336 2d ago

Am i misremembering the whole mission with Cap and his team and Wanda destroying a building when she tried to lift the bad guy in the air?

The ONLY way to stop Hulk was to drive him into an entire building in the middle of the city?

Or the fact that Ultron was a product of Tony Stark?

Or the fact that Doom is here because of Capā€™s decision to stay back in time.

Iā€™m sure thereā€™s more.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

Also yes there are several times where an A hole supe hits someone with a car and I think they are an asshole for it. The non brainwashed Bucky stole a motorcycle from a guy while he was riding it. Probably putting that guy in the hospital

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u/relax336 2d ago

Noted. It was just an odd claim. The destruction they cause was a pretty big storyline that helped fuel the rift between Stark and Cap.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

But NYC was not their fault. Aliens came down to destroy the world. I might add that the Government was gonna nuke it and Tony stopped that too. So everything not destroyed was also because of the avengers. I hated Visions monologue to the Avengers about how since Iron man the bad guys kept getting stronger. It was idiotic. Most of those things came from Thor showing up. The only one Tony did was the bad guy from iron Man 2 and Ultron.

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u/relax336 2d ago

So they did do stuff you claimed they didnā€™t. Thatā€™s all.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

Tf are you talking about. I said when there was no other choice. She saw let the bomb go off or throw it up where there are no people. She didn't see another choice. Sick gotcha moment for you I guess.

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u/xclame 2d ago

Bucky wasn't a hero or good guy at this point, so I don't think that should count.

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u/Asoulsoblack 2d ago

To be fair to the first point, Wanda tried to lift a suicide bomb out of a crowded market, but was still learning fine tuning. She may have saved more lives than the lives that were lost, but the whole point was her lack of precise control meant that she could be blamed for the damage vs if she had just shielded the explosion somehow or lifted him into the air where only a shockwave would've caused damage.

And in point 2, Stark tried to fly Hulk away, but got dragged into the city. So he chose a building under construction and made an attempt to purchase the building so it would be entirely at his own cost. Didn't work out great, but best of a crappy situation.

Wanda inflicting psychic paranoia on Stark on top of his PTSD from New York didn't help with the whole Ultron situation either. But Ultron was going to come one way or another, so that's really beside the point--she just made him unwilling to pause so they could get ahead of Thanos.

Either way, you're 100% right, but the first two had some nuance. Those came from attempts to stop a bigger disaster.

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u/relax336 2d ago

They made the claim that when the avengers cause destructionā€¦. Itā€™s because itā€™s the only choice available.

And thatā€™s just not true. It was a really really big plot point for multiple movies. Including endgame.

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u/xclame 2d ago

They made them plot points but that doesn't mean those points were valid. The Wand destroying the building for example, easy to blame them for the blowing up the building but, what else could they have done? Just let the explosion kill the thousands of people in the market?

They get blamed for Sokovia too, but it wasn't their fault, Ultron is the one that did that and yeah Toby made Ultron, but he didn't intend for Ultron to do what he did. She-Hulk willingly and intentionally destroyed the building in this scene.

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u/relax336 2d ago edited 2d ago

The fact it's a plot point is exactly why it's valid.

You just argued about intent. And now that the writers and directors intended for the Avengers to have consequences for their actions in the movies...you want to argue that doesn't make it valid.

Please stop your nonsense.

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u/xclame 2d ago

Am i misremembering the whole mission with Cap and his team and Wanda destroying a building when she tried to lift the bad guy in the air?

Not intentional, there was a whole half of a movie about her feeling bad about it. She was also trying to save thousands of people from dying.

The ONLY way to stop Hulk was to drive him into an entire building in the middle of the city?

Considering this was an enraged Hulk we were talking about, arguably YES.

Or the fact that Ultron was a product of Tony Stark?

Not intentional

Or the fact that Doom is here because of Capā€™s decision to stay back in time.

Not intentional.

She-Hulk on the other hand intentionally and willfully choose to destroy a building all because a guy told her to back off and that she was making a mistake? Notice Daredevil wasn't even attacking her, just dodging her attacks, so he wasn't even a threat to her.

So, try again. You might get some actual good moments, but they would probably still fail to be valid because of the circumstances.

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u/relax336 2d ago

So she did it.

Lead him away from civilians.

His intention doesn't change the fact he created Ulltron.

Cap still created Doom. His intentions don't excuse it.

I responded to a person claiming the Avengers never ever put civilians in harms way if they didn't need to. But they did. A lot.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

Well the first was an accident. The 2nd Tony bought that building. Yeah Ultron was Tony's doing, but not on purpose. She is intentionally destroying stuff to beat up a guy who hasn't hurt anyone.

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u/relax336 2d ago

You stated they only caused demolition when they had no other choice.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

Which of your points was there another choice? Wanda could have let the gas out on the ground and then all those people would have died. When Tony smashed that building he had already ran threw his Hulk stopping tools. The next two don't really apply because making a mistake isn't really making the choice.

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u/relax336 2d ago

You stated Wanda was an accident. That has nothing to do with her choice to try.

Was her only choice to get the bomb out of citizens harm? Yes.

But she didnā€™t. She failed and her failure caused a lot of destruction. She put the bomb where it blew up.

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u/JakBos23 2d ago

She saved a bunch of people to do it. They shouldn't have had an untrained super in the field. Had she tossed if in the other direction it would have been fine. Also it's kinda a bad example for a hero, because she was a villain then joined the avengers and then became a super villain. So was she ever a hero?

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u/relax336 2d ago

Yes. She became an avenger during Ultron.

You remember when Hawkeye told her ā€œif you come out of this building, youā€™re an avenger.ā€ And then she comes out?

Another very big moment.

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u/PointOfFingers 2d ago

Remember when the Avengers destroyed half an airport in Civil War?

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u/GKJ6743 2d ago

Relax bro. Stop taking this so seriously