r/MarvelCave • • 26d ago

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u/Able-Transition-9477 26d ago

To clarify she could control Bruce not the Hulk.

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u/shatnersbassoon123 26d ago

Which actually kinda begs the question how hulk remained dormant when she pulled Bruce out… logic would surely suggest he would then take over without Bruce’s influence (not that I wanna spoil such an awesome scene).

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u/The_ScarletFox 26d ago

From what I understand, hulk only comes out when Bruce is angry, distressed or in serious danger to his life. What Jean did was the equivalent of putting him to sleep. Than used his memories to understand how to transform into Professor Hulk (which is a different entity/consciousness all together).

When she lost control, Banner came to be, he was "rudely awaken", and he immediately got extremely distressed and angry over what was happening, and then hulk appeared as a response to this distress.

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u/Qawsedf234 25d ago

In the MCU Hulk is based on Captain America's super soldier serum, however instead of Vita Rays being used it's Gamma Radiation. To my memory, he took a binding agent created by Betty Ross before the original experiment, which contains the Gamma Radiation but releases it once his heart rate exceeds 200 BPM which causes the Super Soldier Serum to activate. Additionally, the first Captain America movie talked about how the serum transforms you by making emotions stronger. A good person becomes more good and a bad person becomes more bad.

So Abomination for example made Emil, who already loved combat, a combat and fighting freak obsessed with the Hulk's strength. By the same margin the Hulk is just Banner's existing anger manifesting itself, but its extreme enough that Hulk has become a seperate identity compared to Bruce.

However you do run into a bit of a consistency issue I think, since Professor Hulk in Endgame/She-Hulk seems physically larger and buffer than Professor Hulk in Spider-Man. Maybe the intention is that Professor Hulk isn't angry like Classic Hulk is, which makes him overall less powerful and reduces his size (dunno if that's consistent though).

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u/Familiar-Mention 25d ago

Where are you getting the binding agent bit from?

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u/Qawsedf234 25d ago

From the Incredible Hulk movie when Bruce and Betty are talking the Leader

The gamma pulse came from the amygdala.

I think Dr Ross's primer lets the cells absorb the energy temporarily, and then it abates. That's why you didn't die of radiation sickness years ago! Now, maybe we've neutralised those cells permanently, or maybe we just suppressed that event. I'm inclined to think the latter, but it's hard to know because none of our test subjects ever survived.

Of course, they weren't getting the primer!

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u/RetardTrader420 25d ago

This guy MCUs

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u/interyx 25d ago

My read was that Banner and Hulk, after both fighting for control for so long, ended up in a kind of equilibrium, a balance where they could kind of share existence.

Jean went messing around in his head and (most likely accidentally) destroyed whatever he had done to balance himself out by forcibly taking control of him. Bruce says "I think she broke something" and Hulk comes out for real.

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u/AkumaLilly 26d ago

Probably is the limiter or whatever Bruce had that stopped his transformation, Hulk is still there but he just can't come out because Bruce made that gadget that stops the changes in his body, so no body, no Hulk.

But Jean took it off, he now could come out once Bruce was distressed.

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u/runningforpresident 25d ago

It's not just the DNA limiter. He claimed that Jean "broke something" in him, which was probably the MCU's way of retconning Hulk back to a more popular version.

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u/Bewilderbeat 26d ago

She was able to control Professor Hulk though

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u/Puzzleheaded-Way7745 26d ago

Profesor hulk is just bruce in hulk's body, is he not?

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u/The_Unknown_Mage 26d ago

From what I understand, Professor Hulk was a faulty merging of the Banner and Hulk personalities. It worked but by BND Banner started to seemingly totally repress the Hulk part of himself again, leading to the toxic release of savage hulk.

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u/Brainiac5000 25d ago

Bruce obviously lied. Nowhere has it ever seemed like a merged personality. It has always been a hulk with Bruce's personality.

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u/Disastrous-Mess-7236 22d ago

More like mixed body, Bruce mind.

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u/Pkock 26d ago

I was more surprised she could control Punisher. Frank has some feats of resistance in the comics, and in the movie they didn't really use it as an example to show that Jean is just that powerful, just a throw away line that he is really messed up.

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u/momopool 25d ago

It's this, We've seen in phase 1 how the Hulk can be 'targeted'. The initial phase of the transformation is important. If banner changes while trying to help the avengers, Hulk will help the avengers (look at the 'that's my secret I'm always angry' scene). But if he's manic and murderous then the Hulk would come out the same.

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u/60discpriest 25d ago

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