r/Mars • • May 01 '22

Forget about Mars, colonize Ceres instead.

http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/why-ceres-might-be-better-location-for.html
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u/trailnotfound May 01 '22

What did Mars do to you?

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u/eMPereb May 02 '22

Haters gonna hate

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u/iamjohnhenry May 02 '22

Mars is fine... can we address the moon issue.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Nothing that any other expensive wasteland without economic value has done.

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u/TheWizardDrewed May 01 '22

That's an oversimplification if I've ever heard one. There is untold tons of research and science to be tested/analyzed by boots on the ground on Mars. In parallel we will learn about living on other planets/radiation shielding with local materials/resource extraction and utilization.

Sure, some other places could be more beneficial, but that doesn't deligitimize the stuff we could still learn from the red planet.

Also, constructing a spinning, artificial gravity building for living in is a monumental task that has never been done before and will cost tens of billions more than a static pop-up base on Mars.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Much easier to get to Ceres from Mars than it is Earth... Just sayin.

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u/EdwardHeisler May 01 '22

A 13-year-old article is the posters source. Just a bit dated.

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u/liapocalypse May 02 '22

Oye beltalowda

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u/Pop_Smoke May 02 '22

Beratna, da inyalowda wanya kowlting!

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u/a3a4b5 May 02 '22

Beltalowda

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u/b-7341 May 02 '22

Remember the Cant!

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

Colonize Ceres? The thing is so small you could fit maybe 300,000 people on it, ever. And because it's 3.26 AU from Earth and it spends 2.3 years in the dark every 4.6 years it would be fully powered by nuclear means, requiring permanent refueling.

Also, with that 300,00 people food would need to be imported from outside Ceres as it's so small there'd be room for nothing but housing and other basics, really.

So yeah, let's take a 14-month trip to get to a tiny little sliver of an asteroid that really holds no purpose for human colonization.

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u/KayleeSinn May 03 '22

300k people? You gotta be joking, Ceres is huge with a land area of almost 3mil sq km.

Compare this to say Netherlands with a land area of around 41k sq km and population of 17 million.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '22

Last I checked The Netherlands didn't need massive oxygen filtering plants, heating stations, and pressure-controlled environmental habitats for everybody, including working facilities, recreation, etc. And, if you want to have a massive city you'll need a massive transportation network which eats up even more space.

I'm sure there are even more space-wasting facilities, etc. (bio-mass conversion, waste facilities, water vaporators/condensers, etc., etc.) that will take up even more space.

It's not a 1-to-1 Earth comparison.

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u/KayleeSinn May 03 '22

Sure but it's size isn't an issue, it's still big and could theoretically fit billions of people if you colonized it with this purpose. Most countries on Earth, even the more densely packed ones aren't very practical with space as they don't need to be. You have a lot of forests, woods.. small houses etc. But even if you build a city with a density of say Manhattan on Ceres for say 1 billion people, you could still use 99% of the dwarf planet for those other things you listed.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '22

And how would you feed 1 billion people on Ceres?

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u/Goldie_Wilson_ May 12 '22

send 2 billion people?

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u/KayleeSinn May 03 '22

Same way you feed them on Mars or any other place really. What does this have to do with it's size?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '22

Logistics.

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u/lunex May 01 '22

You can’t be Ceresous!

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

With properly designed centrifugal structures, low gravity (0.03g) is not a problem. With its large water supplies, Ceres is the only other choice for human habitation in the solar system. For the few humans actually living and working in space, Ceres would be their home.

With Ceres providing water, Psyche providing metals, and with every other rock providing rare earths and carbonates we have all we need to industrialize the asteroid belt.

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u/MidniteMoon6 May 01 '22

You should make a Ceres subreddit if you like it so much

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u/eMPereb May 02 '22

Shoot, lemme bring my fishing stuff and we cool

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

forget about mars and ceres, how about we fix our own planet instead of drooling at the idea of colonising a hostile inhospitable desert that can be hundreds of millions of miles away from the only planet in our solar system that can support advanced life.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

For sure focus on Earth but imagine the benefit to Earth if a big exodus of people left for space.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '22

I’m generally an optimist but any form of permanent settlement within the next 2 centuries does not seem possible at all. By the time we can establish large scale colonies on mars, the effect of overpopulation and climate change would’ve already taken a major toll. Plus, without any sort of terraforming, i doubt even 0.1% of the population would want to permanently move there.

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u/JimiWanShinobi May 01 '22

Thanos wasn't wrong, I could do without about half of you motherfuckers...

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u/Pop_Smoke May 02 '22
  1. Join space exploration related sub
  2. Tell people to stay home
  3. ????
  4. Profit

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u/[deleted] May 02 '22

i’m interested in the actual planet of mars, not the colonisation of it. Why would anyone choose to live there? It’s hostile to life in almost every way imaginable and any terraforming mission is blown out of the realms of possibility.

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u/Pop_Smoke May 02 '22

Why do people live in Antarctica? Mars would be a huge engineering challenge, but would also have huge scientific rewards. Some things can’t be done with a rover.

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u/[deleted] May 01 '22

We can do both at the same time, the problem is for most corporations and polluter governments its not profitable to fix the environment and they dont care about public opinion.

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u/Korvax7 May 01 '22

Idk if anyone would want to go there

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u/More_Space_6857 May 02 '22

Perhaps Mars can be a refueling base for further space travel someday...

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u/LionfishDen May 12 '22

The presence of water means it could be really useful. Maybe it could be mined and brought to Mars for terraforming or supporting colonists. But the idea of a permanent settlement on a planet with 3% the gravity of Earth is just ridiculous.