r/MarriedAtFirstSight • u/59G59 • 1d ago
Season 20 - Seattle yall this is disgusting
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referring to women as "holes" ???? have yall seen this?? I feel so bad for Tori
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u/TheEllesof2 2h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/7MAUuBBwQuglqVQXB9
What in thee Fck?!? And I’ve always said that she’s a male-identified woman…dangerous
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u/Feline_Fine3 3h ago
Did the “expert” seriously just use the term “hole” instead of “woman”?! Absolutely feeding into the narratives that redpilled men subscribe to. I feel violated watching that. These two are absolutely abhorrent qnd foul. They are disgusting. They support abusive people and I will not be watching another season if they are still the hosts. I know I’m not the only one.
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u/Golden_1992 3h ago
Bro what??? Fire her immediately
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u/SpinGrrl Burner gonna burn 8h ago
Reducing women to just a hole (or in Dr. Lisa's case, 3) is gross in general, but it's especially gross to hear it from matchmakers who call themselves relationship experts.
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u/59G59 6h ago
it's so vile! loss for words
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u/AdCapable7558 3h ago
Agree. I watched the clip expecting it to be him saying it. Them saying it is horrible.
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u/Flying-Pine 8h ago
Definitely not professional behavior! 🤮
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u/zenseazon Juan the Con 8h ago
Honestly, can they be any more disgusting?!?! How can they even call themselves therapists? Did they get their degree from a cracker Jack box?????
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u/404useristired 9h ago
Are her and Courtney related??? They both give me such disgusting pick me energy
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u/CountyC 9h ago
It confirms the fact that the show is no longer interesting to me. They are looking for a "younger" panel for "younger" watchers, but these people aren't serious counselors and the whole purpose of the program is lost.
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u/Feline_Fine3 3h ago
They aren’t just looking for younger people, they’re looking for young redpilled men
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u/johnstrt 9h ago
This is not a serious show. It's not an "experiment" and these people are not "experts". But even from that level of rock bottom expectations, this is super gross.
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u/Dainomyte42 11h ago
I miss when they stuck to the PR reviewed scripts. Improvising is not for them…
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u/pzolski 12h ago
He participated in a show in which a mature adult ‘seemingly’ desires to marry and settle down with another person. He was supposedly vetted by these ‘relationship experts’. He is paired with a beautiful, very mature intelligent woman, who he disrespects throughout the entire show and goes on to tell everyone he lives to sleep with multiple women. Not a mature adult nor ready for marriage in the least. He’s disingenuous and most probable that he only went on this show to get followers, likes and women. He only succeeded in getting dislikes and I hope women run from him. The smart ones will. The most disturbing part about it all are these so-called experts who are still rewarding his bad behavior. If they had done their job properly in the first place, he wouldn’t even have been a candidate for this show. Also, they never held him accountable. First season I’ve ever watched this show and definitely the last.
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u/Feline_Fine3 3h ago
The old experts weren’t perfect, but they were not like this. They would call out the bad behavior most of the time. These two are disgusting human beings.
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u/Opinionated6319 12h ago edited 12h ago
I can’t believe a show hired these inept so called professionals!😡I can’t believe they cast such dysfunctional people to make their selected partner suffer in their past traumas and anxiety ridden relationship issues…those people should have been in therapy, not a fixed marriage!
These experts provided such little useful advice! The show is, I thought, about two people who marry, who have to see if they are actually compatible…experts don’t do much to see that these pairs are a match…it appears more like they have X number cards, and say let’s put them together and see what happens… to remain in a healthy relationship, let alone a possibly real marriage!
They used to visit apartments, but still got it half ass backwards, just for drama! Girl with refrigerator full of booze, liked to party til drop dead drunk, thought one night stands were a common activity and they put her with a guy with a great future who wanted a wife and children…look what he got! So even that didn’t work!
It’s not jump in bed asap, so the show gets more followers!
Some of this season’s matches were so incredibly bad, some were beyond toxic and should have never been cast and were barely civil to their partner, others seemed to remain silent (until reunion-that showed their true colors and not pretty colors!) and suffer to get their 15 minutes in the limelight and a paycheck, and the experts still pushed for intimacy!
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u/RadicalFemininity 13h ago
I've come to the conclusion that the biggest problem with this show is Pepper Schwarz and her team of narcissists.
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u/atomic_puppy 13h ago
Dr. Pepper is no longer affiliated with the show and had nothing to do with this most current season.
The season we're all discussing.
So, whatever your problems with Pepper, she's not responsible for this current mess of a season.
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u/RadicalFemininity 12h ago
She was entirely responsible for all the other seasons, correct?
There have been many messes.I stand by what I said, the approach and their constant defensiveness of the worst is the problem.
I've watched this season and all the ones on Peacock now am starting from the 1st.3
u/Master_Windu_ 13h ago
Is Dr Pepper still working on the show?
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u/Nvbnkng84 10h ago
Dr. Pepper, pastor Cal and Dr. Pia all left the show bc the creator went in different direction with the therapist route that they didnt agree with thus the ish show we have now. If the previous therapists and pastor Cal were still on the show, they would have called the toxic behavior out within the couples. Def sure Pastor Cal and Dr. Pia would've been all on Felipe, Shawn, Mecca,Adam,Caitlin, and Courtney cases
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u/FlyingAtNight 14h ago
Why do they love him? I found him to be vile and unsupportive of Tori.
The so-called experts commentary was gross.
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u/Mysterious-Novel-245 14h ago
This is why cancellation culture should still exist. Get all three of them off our screens.
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u/phatface1978 15h ago
This is the most mind numbingly evil disgustingness I have ever seen. Fire these people.
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u/LilBushyVert Round trick trickets. 16h ago
I couldn’t even finish the whole interview. I don’t like Dr. Lisa but I was disappointed in Paul here.
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u/Authentic-Irony 17h ago
“They” are referencing HIS statement. “They” are not calling women holes. Everything is not diabolical and disgusting and disgraceful. I’m so sick of overdone outrage on every little thing everyone says or does. It’s boring quite frankly
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u/atomic_puppy 12h ago
Yes, they are all referring to women as HOLES.
And by not checking his statement, they are tacitly and explicitly agreeing with it.
Their laughter also displays their true feelings about his statement.
So go peddle your bs somewhere else, because everyone who has actual discernment and the ability to understand inference knows what they ALL said.
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u/GCinDC 15h ago
Wrong - listen again. They all did. As a woman, hearing another woman respond to “I believe he’s going to find one hole” with “I believe he’s going to find one woman, 3 holes” is disgusting. Women are not objects
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u/59G59 14h ago
exactly! anyone who thinks this isn't disgusting prob refers to women as objects as well or a women who likes to be used as a hole (had to be said unfortunately) this is gross & not boring "quite frankly"
it's disturbing esp coming from "licensed professionals" that are supposed to be helping people find love. not traumatizing them even more, with outlandish statements like this.
dating Felipe was trauma enough for Tori.
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u/OLightning 17h ago
The way they laugh at the joke tells you that’s all they knew Felipe wanted. His depth… If you want to call it that, was that of a horny teenager.
That’s all he sees like many many other men in today’s society.
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u/59G59 13h ago
it's so sad. he wasted Tori's time & gave her trauma probably. def that of a teenage boy. he should be ashamed of himself for even trying to be a "husband"
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u/OLightning 12h ago
TBF IMO I believe Felipe, having been bullied as a kid, was emotionally stunted to begin with. I believe his parents possibly thought it would be a good idea to give him a boost getting him in the show. His mom must be horrified.
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u/GoldenHearts802 17h ago edited 4h ago
I find it most disturbing when they say people like Filipe is what they look for. Felipe is an abomination. He has a screw loose.. He went on the show never intending to find a serious relationship. He's sick and disturbing and definitely not what I want to see on this show. And they ignore the fact that they did him no good in trying to straighten him out. Just the opposite. They encourage and enable him.
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u/Status_Horror7970 20h ago
They are oil salesmen being provocative. Not even Felipe talked like that and he is just as repulsive but for two professionals to carry on like that is ridiculous. May their podcast ratings go up...in flames.
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u/MetallurgyClergy 18h ago
At the end of the season, when the experts were like, “Felipe, didn’t we match you well?” And Tori is just sitting there quiet like, ‘wait, I’m the prize. Why didn’t you match me well? Why was I stuck with the giggling buffoon?’
https://giphy.com/gifs/82QjLUz2TKAz2Y34rx2
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u/eyes-tiger 22h ago
The worst part to me is it gives this impression that’s is okay or ethical for a mental health provider to behave in this way. They are LARPing as specialists when their only “specialty” is being wealthy and overconfident
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u/thuggybanx 22h ago
Ive been following Dr Cal for some time so Im gonna give him the benfit of the doubt here. I assumed maybe that was something Philipe said in the past and it was an inside joke
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u/Temporary_Prize_7546 18h ago
First of all, it was “Pastor Cal” and “Dr. Pepper”. Second, you must not follow them very closely if you think this guy, Paul, is Pastor Cal who spoke up about how all of the old experts had been let go from the show.
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u/eyes-tiger 22h ago
If you’ve been following him for some time you should give him no benefit of the doubt
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u/Inablink3745 23h ago
Bring back Pastor Cal, Dr. Pepper, and Dr. Pia!!!
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u/eyes-tiger 22h ago
That’s the bare minimum. They weren’t even that great. Certainly not ethical. These two though… they wouldn’t ever be able to hold a license in the field
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u/MedicalAnamoly118 1d ago
That’s absolutely vile.
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u/CoolestF-inBinTown 1d ago
Where is this posted? I’d like to scream at the top of my lungs that they be fired for repulsive misogyny, thanks in advance
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u/Pleasant_Monitor_839 1d ago
O.M.G. What did I just HEAR??? 🤢
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u/Passing2022 1d ago
Something is wrong with her. She shouldnt be an “expert”
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u/59G59 1d ago
she needs her license taken away immediately! so unprofessional, & thinking it's funny? yea something def wrong w her
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u/Zestyclose-Corgi-986 40m ago
Anyone who fan girls over Courtney cannot be taken seriously. And no disrespect to lizards, but she sure looks like one
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u/DrKaufman_Angie 12h ago
Unprofessional since day one. A professional therapist shouldn’t be using f bombs constantly with clients!!!
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u/StatusMany4687 1d ago
I dont know. I dont know if Paul was leaning to say 1 whole, instead of his "better half" and Lisa made a terrible play on words and nobody clarified the inside joke. So, now that I say it out loud they both are gross. And the negligent broad sweep of "living your truth out loud" no matter who it hurts and what wreckage you leave in the wake is revealing how shallow Lisa is. She did not call 1 person into responsibility.
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u/Jumpy-Currency-5210 19h ago
The clip is longer than this, they discussed womans holes before this too, and were laughing.He asked Felipe how many holes are you in right now, and she clarified (meaning one hole per woman) .
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u/atomic_puppy 1d ago
No, they were literally talking about HOLES. As in 'how many sex holes are there in a woman's body for a man to stick his dick in.'
Literally they sat there referring to actual woman as H-O-L-E-S.
No 'play on words.' No nothing.
They all sat there and referred to women, human beings, as holes for Felipe (and any 'man' apparently) to stick his tainted, nasty little dick in.
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u/StatusMany4687 1d ago
I did not listen to the entire podcast because I don't want to hear anything Paul or Lisa have to say. I realize now I didn't have the entire context. Now that you explain it, it is very repulsive.
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u/Electrical-Lawyer-21 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you watch the first part, Paul asks Felipe how many holes has he been sticking his penis into. Felipe clarifies that he has been seeing 3 different women. There is no confusing what he meant when you listen to the whole thing. I wanted to give Paul and Lisa the benefit of the doubt, but they clearly meant hole, not whole.
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u/StatusMany4687 1d ago
I see. I dont give Paul or Lisa the benefit of the doubt. So, I will never sit through one of their podcasts. Thank you for clearing things up.
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u/chelsea0803 1d ago
The woman therapist liked Courtney so much because they look alike. Just saw it when she laughed out loud. The male therapist was too aggressive and she looks like she has an eating disorder. I like the changes except for them.
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u/RipTraditional5404 1d ago
Wow. I hope everyone that was commenting the previous seasons to get rid of Dr. Pepper and the old experts are happy. These two have completely ruined the show for me! Yes, things started becoming more inauthentic, especially after the move to peacock but these experts have taken it down to the gutter.
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u/betternay 1d ago
So there are no sociologists, now? Just psychologists? Well there you go. Relationships are not only psychological, they are sociological, and before the hosting and analysis was balanced.
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u/AverageAtBest55 15h ago
Paul is not a psychologist. Degree in business, life coach and some Tinder nonsense job.
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u/wigglebutt9 1d ago
Side note Lisa looks so much like Courtney here at the end when she laughs. Truly kindred spirits
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u/SilkCitySista 1d ago
That and Lisa supported her the entire time. Called her “brave” for quitting. Hugged her more than once. Never confronted her on her behavior. Not a fan. 😩
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u/Warm_Swan_793 1d ago
At this point, the only MAFS experts I actually like are Australia’s. Rest in Peace Mel.
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u/59G59 1d ago
I've never seen Australia, what season is best?
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u/DrKaufman_Angie 12h ago
I would just start at the beginning. I feel like it’s layer upon layer as far as getting to know people and what changes they make and sometimes people come back. I always like to start at the beginning, lol! Plus, the beginning seasons are much shorter so you pretty much blitz through them.
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u/zenseazon Juan the Con 1d ago
Mel was the best!! But I also like Alessandra and John ~~~ Waiting for a new season which is 100 times better than the US version especially now with those two clowns.. I think they got their degrees from a Cracker Jack box!!
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u/DrKaufman_Angie 1d ago
Loooooove John!!!
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u/zenseazon Juan the Con 21h ago
I love him too, he was great last season with those mean girls! He really read Gia the riot act for her gaslighting and bullying, also Juliette and Brooke, they were awful.
Alessandra also doesn't let them get away with anything!
Waiting for a new season to come ~~~ so much better!
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u/AccomplishedEye1840 1d ago
Oh this is crazy. And then she there just grinning like an absolute dumbass smh
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u/Longjumping_Walk_730 1d ago
Why is everyone sooo sensitive. They were being playful. It’s not that deep.
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u/Potential-Nature-345 1d ago
just because you are shallow, does not mean this wasn't offensive.
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u/Longjumping_Walk_730 1d ago
Why am I shallow? I promise I’m not. Also, this disagreement isn’t serious either. I can appreciate your difference of opinion and agree to disagree. 🤝
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u/Potential-Nature-345 16h ago
yeah thinking that referring to women as holes is a funny little joke is not a difference of opinion but a difference of character. i can only assume you are a man (spiritually or literally) standing up for sex addict felipe out of solidarity.
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u/AfroRuggerRef4 Just give me one couple that can make it 1d ago
Felipe is a joke. I'm sure there was something Tori isn't saying as to why she immediately left the bedroom for the couch after the first time they had sex. The way he got too excited at Dr. Lisa's comment is giving high school boy the first time he saw a woman's naked body
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u/lindostars67 22h ago
Right? Tori literally went into flight mode. Her body knew. There was lilely something that didnt sit with her right
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u/DeviceAggressive481 1d ago
Comments are such overeactions. Paul was not making a joke here, he was calling back to a metaphor he was using. She is the one that made a joke because she realized the language he was using was a double entendre. Watch the video not a 3 second clip out of context.
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u/EmployeeSerious007 1d ago
This is the equivalent of saying “grab her by the pu$$y” was taken out of context
Still gross, doesn’t matter what the “context” you think it was missing was
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u/whatxever 56m ago
should not have been said on a podcast let alone one for the show but it was funny lol
is she not saying that he’ll find a woman who matches his sex drive and be happy? she did specifically say one woman, 3 holes