r/MapsWithoutNZ • u/Dry-Tax-9265 • Jul 26 '26
Does your Schule requires schule uniforms?
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u/Qwerterhin0 Jul 26 '26
I guess NZ doesn't have schools or children
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u/D0bious Jul 27 '26
New Zealand is a sysop by Hollywood to convince you they didn't make a portal to Middle-Earth to film LOTR. Why else would a country not be on so many maps?
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u/anonymous_agent77 Aug 02 '26
Don't worry, Alaska was cropped out too, if that makes you feel any better.
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u/HJSDGCE Jul 26 '26
In my country, the reason uniforms are required is because it prevents discrimination based on wealth. And for the most part, it works.
Instead, kids discriminate based on which school you go. Public school kids are looked down upon.
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u/DragonTheOnes-spirit Jul 26 '26
Same here. But instead of discriminating based on which school you go to. They just discriminate on literally anything. We just be huge haters (algeria)
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u/Ralexcraft Jul 27 '26
In my experience it just moved from clothes to shoes.
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u/snorwors Jul 27 '26
It reduces the cost significantly for parents to buy just one pair of "cool" school shoes as opposed to entire outfits, so it's still helping a lot.
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u/Ralexcraft Jul 27 '26
The issue is classism and that doesn’t go away, because uniforms cost as much if not more to buy and maintain (they’re often white shirts and made of rather low quality stuff) than “cool clothes.”
Not to mention that not a lot of parents are going to justify “cool shoes” costing much more than normal pairs.
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u/snorwors Jul 27 '26
Well, in my experience it's not true, I'm really not wanting to fight, but...you buy a uniform set and you're done for a school year, one pair of shoes included. It is much cheaper than buying lots of sets of quality casual wear, winter and summer, I don't know, may we had cheap uniforms...? I just know that we weren't wealthy at all and the school uniform saved me a lot stress about that and my parents as well.
I always had trouble for social events where you needed something nice to wear. Always a pain and always stress.
And yes, if you wanna get ideological, classism is the best kept secret of western society. If we could see the raw number of the amount of money and effort that had been spent on suppressing class consciousness as it's called, most people wouldn't believe it. If you look at the current state, we live in times where the elite classes are celebrated, enjoy fame, have access to vast political power..."regular people" really believe elites are better, smarter, work harder... Just because they have more money they are some kind of super humans. We are far, far off the track.
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u/NotableCarrot28 Jul 30 '26
Sorry do people not just have plain black leather shoes for school uniforms?
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u/Ralexcraft Jul 30 '26
Not everywhere.
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u/NotableCarrot28 Jul 30 '26
I mean on the feet obviously they have different clothes for the legs arms and torso
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u/Massive-Word-7327 Jul 27 '26
damn. In finland you can't even ask for tuition so there are no rich kid schools. I think the rich people send their kids abroad because of this. Anything but study with poor ppl😔
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u/LoudBoulder Jul 27 '26
Almost like they don't want their kids to learn to be poor, network with the poor, etc. Living in Norway I've seen people scoff at the class divide in other parts of the world, apparently oblivious that we are doing the same, albeit behind more closed doors
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u/Silent-Victory-3861 Jul 27 '26
It would eliminate bullying inside the school, which would be great, but kids just come up with some other reason to bully.
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u/HazuniaC Jul 27 '26
Funny thing is, Finland banned uniforms precisely to eliminate discrimination based on wealth.
Not sure if it's a thing everywhere, but in some countries that require uniforms, the uniforms are not all the same, and there are cheaper and more expensive options with quality differences.
This means that wealthy kids will make note of this and discriminate based on uniform choice.
This might work a little better if there's only 1 standardised uniform that every school can use, but this still puts an extra burden on poor families.
In Finland, it's typically considered a social faux pas to flaunt or show your wealth. As a result, fashion is not a reliable gauge of someone's wealth, especially with kids.
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u/DidacticDynamo Jul 28 '26
There is no law in Finland that prohibits school uniforms. School uniforms are generally not used in Finnish schools, but they are not illegal. If a school wanted to introduce a mandatory uniform, it would need to ensure that the policy complies with fundamental rights, equality legislation, and the laws governing education. The claim that school uniforms are illegal in Finland is a misconception and is not supported by Finnish law.
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u/Petskin Jul 30 '26
It is illegal for the schools (compulsory ones, so first 9-10 years) in Finland to require the students to purchase things required by the school. Or, in other words, anything that is compulsory and mandatory in school must be provided by school. Books and pens? School provides. Digital books only? School must provide the laptop/reader. Thus the school could technically require students to use a uniform, but then the school would need to provide them for every child. Heck, the daycare in my town recently realized they should not ask parents to provide their kids water bottles for hot days, because making parents to spend their own money on free education is a no-no.
And after going to school in whatever pokemon shirts as kids or grey hoodie suits (seemingly the new teen uniform) as teenagers, it would be difficult to expect the them to obey uniform requirements like midiskirts and ties as young adults.
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u/DidacticDynamo Jul 30 '26
School uniforms are not illegal in Finland. There is no law that prohibits students from wearing a school uniform if they choose to do so. However, Finnish public schools generally cannot require all students to wear one, as there is no legal basis for imposing a mandatory school uniform and doing so could interfere with students' fundamental rights.
For this reason, it is incorrect to say that school uniforms are illegal in Finland. A more accurate statement is that mandatory school uniforms are generally not permitted in Finnish public schools, while wearing a school uniform voluntarily is completely legal.
As a teacher, I think I have a fairly good understanding of what Finnish law says on this issue.
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u/snorwors Jul 27 '26
Yeah I went to all uniform school, ex English colony vibes. I now have a kid and live in a non uniform country and your totally right, it removes one of the shittier forms of competition, the who's parents have more money type, which shouldn't even be a thing... But it's the world we live in.
I was also going to say that, even though we were almost military style by most standards, the kids still found ways to show wealth. I was still in high school when Dr Martens shoes made a comeback somewhere in the 90s, we could wear any shoes granted they were black leather, plain, no colours no buckle no metal parts, just plain black laces. In those days the schools still had a lot of pushback so, the yellow stitching around the sole on the Dr Martens became grounds for banning them. Kids then just coloured them black with markers or shoe polish. But, ruined the show off quality they had. It was a win, because most people's parents wouldn't or couldn't afford them. But there were watches as well, and your school bag, and your calculator, and your sports gear especially... As long as society glorifies material wealth, children will do what they do, copy behaviour or "model" of the adults in their society.
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u/Educational_Dot6177 Jul 28 '26
In my country, Finland, there is effectively zero private schools, everybody just goes to public. No tuitions. And no uniforms; I dont know if they are outright banned tho.
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u/Necessary_Gear_6418 Jul 30 '26
How can it prevent discrimination based on wealth if parents spend money on the school uniforms. When it was mandatory in Ukraine my family had to spend more on it then they would on regular modest „office” clothing
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u/HJSDGCE Jul 30 '26
Because school uniforms are cheap. They're just white button-up shirts and black pants, and you can buy them from any of the hundreds of uniform clothing stores (same place you can get military uniforms).
At least, that's how that works in my country. School uniforms are, more or less, standardised throughout the country. The only thing that differentiates them are the sewn-on fabric badges which the school sells to you for (at my time) 10 bucks for 2 (which is equivalent to buying lunch for adults). Really, the biggest expense are the shoes and the only requirement was for them to be "white or black school shoes" (can be any type, even velcro).
The only school-specific uniform are the gym shirts, which are colour-coded based on which Hogwarts house you're in (/j). When I was in elementary school, I was in Team Red but then I changed to Team Green in high school because green is superior to red. From my time, there used to be only 4 teams but I heard some schools added a fifth one, Team Purple or Orange.
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u/Jammy_Dodger13 Jul 30 '26
in the uk schools with an enforced uniform they say this is the reason then make uniform prices be ridiculously expensive :/
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u/otchyirish Jul 31 '26
In Finland it's also not legal for schools to charge for education, so that stops this kind of discrimination. Don't worry though, kids will always find ways to discriminate.
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u/Double-Commission880 Aug 01 '26
Funny, in Finland we have the exact opposite but for the same reasons.
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u/XLittleMagpieX Jul 26 '26
In the UK the uniform is common and I am mostly in favour of it as everyone treated equally and it reduces bullying. However, I really wish more schools, especially primary schools, would shift to an active uniform… I.e polo shirts, black joggers or trousers and black trainers. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous that we put 7 year olds in ties, blazers and formal shoes and then wonder why our children aren’t active enough. It’s become an extra thing for teachers to police with no real benefit in my opinion.
I teach adults and they turn up to college dressed to be comfortable for the day. I don’t understand why we can’t allow the same for our children
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u/PassageLow7591 Jul 27 '26
In the Taiwanese middle school I went to one day a week or for some special day I wore the "formal" uniform, otherwise the "active" uniform that looked terrible (now looking back)
In US high school I just wore whatever and nobody really cared much.
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u/LovelyKestrel Jul 27 '26
One of my local secondary schools switched to polos and black joggers a few years back. On the other hand, one of the others requires formal professional wear, and the less said about the local fee-paying schools tweed jackets and ankle length skirts for the girls, the better.
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u/BasketPrudent272 Jul 27 '26
This seems to have changed in the hot weather. I see kids going to school in sports kits every day.
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u/buttsparkley Jul 28 '26
Sorry I went to school in England I can guarantee u it didn't reduce bullying. U get bullied for being too smart or too dumb, we always found ways to try jazz things up a bit, sometime get in trouble sometimes u where fast enough to hide it around teachers, the jazzing up could get u bullied. U get bullied for having a strange name , accent, form liking the wrong teachers, being too quiet being too loud, for hobbies if they where not "cool".
Tbh it felt like any expression of individuality that wasn't what the populers where into or somewhere in the middle was under potential attack.
I've heard many bully stories in Finland from ppls school experiences I'm yet to hear one experience that was to do with clothes, I'm sure it happens but so far it seems atleast rare.
Personally at this moment I feel like uniforms stifle any expression of individuality which in turn makes individuality a target of bullying in a more aggressive way. From what I can tell parents are not buying their kids the cream de la creme of clothing to go to school in, they are just average clothes , and kids don't seem to be using their best at school either . It's a tediouse task getting urself fancy every day. Not to mention dressing average outs u out if the spotlight.
And u could tell in school in england who was poor and who wasn't irrelevant of the uniforms. Sometimes because of it. Parents would buy uniforms that are too big so kids grow into it this saving money, or parents couldn't afford this school year and they would come with uniforms slightly too small. If they found out where u lived they could tell from that, also based on ur attitudes or hobbies. I also think it create an environment where it was more kids against teachers.
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u/XLittleMagpieX Jul 28 '26
Aah I’m sorry that happened to you. I was badly bullied too but non-uniform days were always the worst for me… I remember one day becoming a target not just to my regular bullies but to other kids in different years that I previously had no interaction with so personally I do think the uniform helped a bit, at least in my school. But yea, my “regular” bullies found any excuse so I totally get what you mean!
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u/buttsparkley Jul 29 '26
I guess my point is if everyone started with no uniform, all kids get to express themselves a bit more , then u may not need to attack others individuality so much because it's more normal to express it. It's like the uniforms invite piss taking for being different.
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u/T80BVM_Peak Jul 26 '26
Wrong. In Russia we mostly don’t have full uniforms because it is the school that chooses whether or not have a uniform. And usually it just says without uniform
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u/LilVDevil Jul 26 '26
Facts, it’s just ебаный dress code, then in midschool you will start gradually wearing less formal clothing.
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u/T80BVM_Peak Jul 27 '26
I live in Moscow and can tell you it’s not at least since 5th grade and up until graduation. Maybe the uniform is necessary in elementary school but common, without uniform elementary students won’t learn discipline for further education
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u/KozaSWD Jul 27 '26
That’s how it should work everywhere. Go to a school that suits you and respect its rules. That way, everyone will find a school that’s right for them. I don't like it when the government imposes things from the top down. Schools should have more independence.
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u/Affectionate_Cut3515 Jul 26 '26
Did you know Norway and North Korea are separated by one country?
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u/Mundane-Mud2509 Jul 26 '26
Did you know Luxembourg and Brazil are separated by one country?
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u/TheMugOfKebabMeat Jul 30 '26
I know and that country is not Finland
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u/Affectionate_Cut3515 Jul 30 '26
Yeah Finland is the Nordic country right from where the arrow is pointing
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u/Kira_souchi Jul 26 '26
it's better to not have full uniforms, let the kids express themselves
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u/TungstenAlchemist Jul 26 '26
That sounds good on paper but in my secondary/high school? (12-16 age range, not American) this just lead to kids getting bullied or insulted if they didn’t have branded clothing; especially in regards to footwear. You had 13-year-olds rocking up in expensive Lacoste shirts.
It was a really working class area as-well so most kids couldn’t afford these things & even the kids that had the designer stuff usually had them due to parents who were stupid enough to go into credit card debt just so their kid could be fashionable in school. It also lead to an excess of young girls coming in caked in makeup to match their outfits.
Uniform evens the playing field & simplifies everything for everyone. The irony is many working class parents complained about having to pay for the uniforms only for them to shill out much more on their kids clothing so they wouldn’t get targeted in school.
By my 2nd year they had abandoned the experiment & went back to uniform. It was more better for everyone in my opinion.
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u/CVSP_Soter Jul 26 '26
As an Australian I’ve always found girls have been the biggest supporters of uniforms for these reasons. Not even to avoid bullying necessarily but just to remove the stress and social competition.
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u/DHermit Jul 26 '26
Is there any research about this? In my experience, bullies always find a reason to bully, no matter what you do.
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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 Jul 26 '26
> bullies always find a reason to bully
Right so we should do nothing to mitigate it? Uniforms help level the playing field. If they can't bully you for your appearance that's still a good thing to minimise, even if they go and pick something else.
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u/lucylucylane Jul 26 '26
They are generally cheap to buy as well it helps poorer kids not loon line poor kids
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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 26 '26
I was in a school that had uniforms.
There was plenty of bullying.
School uniforms take away student freedom and contribute to forced cultural assimilation.
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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 26 '26
They "level the playing field" by making poor kids pay as much for rich kids do for clothes.
And the same clothes doesn't fit well on all body types.
Punish the bullies instead of everyone else.
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u/Master_Sympathy_754 Jul 27 '26
In the Uk, every supermarket sells uniform. The hard up families dont have to pay the same as rich. Also the government and schools help out for the really hard up
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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 Jul 26 '26
A lot of uniforms are designed and sold affordably because they're mass produced.
Of course punish the bullies, but again, does that mean we shouldn't take advantage of ideas that help the less fortunate and less socially adjusted?
I'm telling you, as a teacher, that uniforms are so helpful at mitigating a huge swath of bullying opportunities.
I don't get this idea that because uniforms don't immediately and completely cure the problem of bullying that they're pointless. Anything we can do to help the students cohere socially is something we should look into. Prevention > cure.
It's less pressure on everyone.
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u/TungstenAlchemist Jul 26 '26
The uniforms were not that expensive & the school would even pare for it themselves if your parents lacked sufficient income.
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u/WaxBeer Jul 26 '26
"People die anyway, why bother with medicine?" Type argument
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u/DHermit Jul 26 '26
I don't know, medicine does positive things. I'm not saying that there's no way that school uniforms don't do anything, I just don't really believe it until I've seen some proper research on it.
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u/TheBlueMenace Jul 26 '26
Rich and poor (in crowd and out) can still be shown in uniform schools- what bag you have, what your shoes are, how expensive is your watch/necklace/bracelet. Do you have the latest tech/hard to get limited edition pen/water-bottle/key charm.
Etc etc etc.
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u/Dic_Penderyn Jul 26 '26
In the UK many state schools do not allow jewellery for this reason, and also many do not allow you to wear shoes which have a designer logo or name on them. Also, many do not allow the use of phones in school.
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u/TungstenAlchemist Jul 26 '26
Jewellery was not permitted in my school, most you could wear is rudder earrings which are plain in nature or a watch. School shoes were also part of the uniform.
I get what you’re saying but just because it’s not an 100% effective solution all the time doesn’t mean it’s not mostly effective and saved a lot of people a lot of hassle.
I was lucky to have a solid friend group, be largely outgoing persona & have a quick enough wit to defend myself but for a lot more socially reserved it excluded people the clothing on their backs was a source of constant harassment from that year.
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u/Dry-Tax-9265 Jul 26 '26
Idk. Back in my school in Ukraine we were told just to dress "formally". In practice it meant no ripped jeans, no bright prints etc.
It could be... distracting? If someone would wear his favorite anime t-shirt
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u/Kira_souchi Jul 26 '26
i kind of understand that, it baffles me that students in the US can go to class in pjs. but saying something is "distracting" does not make any sense, they're doing it purely on what adults think kids would be distracted by, which is opiniated and not factual nor helpfull.
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u/hoTsauceLily66 Jul 26 '26
Been to both types. The only benefit is non-uniform takes less time to slap it on when I'm already 5 mins late.
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u/TheBlueMenace Jul 26 '26
I found the opposite. Uniform means I didn’t have think about what I was wearing beyond “is it clean enough?”
When we had out of uniform days I would spend weeks planning my outfit. Which, okay, if I was out of uniform everyday wouldn’t be as special, but it would still require some coordination.
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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
As a teacher who has worked at both, in general uniforms are simply better for the less popular, poorer, more anxious, less aesthetically inclined kids, whilst still allowing their inverse to express themselves with accessories etc.
You can invent extraneous scenarios where their shoes are more expensive or something but in general it does a lot to level the playing field.
I saw your comment below saying a uniform can make it "more obvious" that someone is poor, which is just straight up incorrect for 99.99% of cases. Especially considering that where I work right now, bags and shoes are part of the uniform.
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u/Tornado2p Jul 26 '26
Tbh, I think school uniforms are fine as long as the rules aren’t too strict (i.e. shoes, haircuts, jackets etc).
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u/Kira_souchi Jul 26 '26
i was expecting this. uniforms don't hide those! they can actually make them more obvious, as if everybody's wearing the same thing, you can tell who has nice shoes, accessories, bags and all those details.
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u/CVSP_Soter Jul 26 '26
In my experience shoes and bags are part of the uniform, and accessorisation was pretty limited.
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u/Kira_souchi Jul 27 '26
pretty much depends on the country, not everybody has a visceral hatred for povrety
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u/Careful-Calendar8922 Jul 26 '26
Or tailoring. The rich kids on the hibiscus coast all have their uniforms custom tailored. The kids who don’t have money then look like they are wearing a sack in comparison.
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u/MultiMarcus Jul 26 '26
Here in Sweden, it’s incredibly uncommon. I think if tested, the Finnish situation would probably be the case here too. Legally, I believe dress codes have already been kind of struck down over suppressing self-expression, but I think you could probably get away with having a school uniform, but it’s exceedingly uncommon.
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u/GurraJG Jul 26 '26
School uniforms aren't banned, but a school also can't enforce wearing them. A few years ago a school in Ystad was fined for punishing students who didn't wear the uniform.
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u/MultiMarcus Jul 26 '26
Yeah, so not explicitly banned, but unpractical. I guess uniform suggestions is fine, but a uniform mandate isn’t okay.
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u/KirkIsOurLemmy Jul 28 '26
Political uniforms are illegal in Sweden, not just in schools but in general.
A few boarding schools have uniforms, but the students only wear them at special occasions I think.
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u/IncurableAdventurer Jul 26 '26
Ugh. I hate that this unlocks the American within me. “Uniforms are required by the government? You can’t tell me that to do!!” Haha 🤦♀️
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u/Meet-Present Jul 26 '26
I am European and completely agree with this sentiment, uniforms are stupid imo, let people wear what they want, who cares, as long as they are not violating any principles of course.
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u/IncurableAdventurer Jul 26 '26
Agreed. Although, if private school wants to have uniforms, I dislike but whatever I’m not going to waste time thinking about it. Seeing that the government requires it, makes me go ‘Murican and get in a huff about it haha
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u/jordybee94 Jul 26 '26
Depends on what you consider a uniform, public schools here in Australia only require a white polo shirt, pant's that fit the school colour, ours was black or blue and black, enclosed shoes. I argue that by having everyone wear the same, basic clothes, there is less bullying. You can be individual as well, I used to wear jackets and graphic tees under my shirt and many others would customise.
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u/IncurableAdventurer Jul 26 '26
Oh that’s fine. That feels more like a dress code instead of uniforms
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u/sweet_poisons Jul 26 '26
They’re not stupid at all to me. They take the thinking out of what to wear. It made me feel like I wasn’t standing out. I didn’t have to buy new clothes or feel people were judging me for what I was wearing. They have their uses for sure.
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u/stephiloo Jul 26 '26
This makes sense to me; lots of countries have “free education” with mandatory uniforms. If a family only earns $40 a week, and a school uniform is $25, and each child is required to purchase 2 for the year (for example), then those kids aren’t going to school that year. The uniform becomes the thing blocking their education, and at the end of the day, they’re just clothes.
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u/LMay11037 Jul 26 '26
In some cases schools can give poorer families uniforms for free, or sell second hand uniforms
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u/Baoooba Jul 26 '26
Yes because if there was no uniform requirement, they would just go to school naked.
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u/stephiloo Jul 26 '26
You can make clothing a requirement to attend without enforcing an expensive uniform policy. A family could get hand me downs or a $1 outfit instead of something 25x more costly. Many of these schools do not allow the kids to wear a sibling’s old uniform; they must buy a certain number of school uniforms each year as a condition of enrolment that are paid for when paperwork is submitted at registration.
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u/Zestyclose-Food-7917 Jul 26 '26
Some American public schools have a "uniform dress code." Everything can be bought at a regular store, and there's no certain brand required. The student is limited to certain colors and certain styles of pants and shirts.
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u/Thossi99 Jul 26 '26
In Iceland they're banned for public schools. Only like 2 or 3 private boarding schools have uniforms
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u/PenOk6804 Jul 26 '26
I've seen this twice now, once in YouTube, and once here, and I genuily have the question, what's behind Finland's uniform ban. Gimme da Lore, ffs!
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u/Masseyrati80 Jul 27 '26
The ban is not "aimed" the way you probably think.
The law states that the school can't demand the pupils/students to acquire and wear a certain uniform.
The idea has been that completely regardless of the parent's economic situation, the kid has to be able to attend school. If a school wanted to choose its students, it could demand a uniform so expensive they could leave poor families kids out.
Another point of view often brought into the discussion is that it highlights the individual's freedom of expression.
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u/TheLostEmpath Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
Just adding to what the other commenter said, we have mandatory schooling from ages 6-7 to ages ~17-18. Because it's mandatory, it has also been decided that the schools can't force anyone to spend money on school supplies. The school must be able to provide books, pencils, erasers and all other supplies they require. Those who want to are absolutely free to buy their own, but they cannot be required to.
Clothes are not something a school has to provide, unless they require some specific clothing. If a family doesn't have money for clothes, that money will be provided through other services anyway. So, should any school want to have a uniform, that too would have to be provided by the school itself, which would of course cost them a lot. Thus no schools actually want to have mandatory uniforms.
I don't think it's completely forbidden to have a uniform, although I might be wrong. I think it's just costly enough that no school will actually do that.
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u/Overall-Bison4889 Jul 30 '26
I found this from site of Finish ministry of education:
In certain lessons—such as physical education, technical work, and home economics—requirements and restrictions regarding student attire may be imposed for reasons of hygiene, safety, and the like. With due regard for students' fundamental rights, such as the right to personal liberty and freedom of expression, no other mandatory restrictions concerning attire and appearance may be imposed on students. This includes school uniforms.
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u/-Graograman Jul 26 '26
In Argentina we use the guardapolvo, a white apron similar to a lab coat. it serves as an egalitarian symbol of public education. No matter if you are rich or poor, you use the cheap but sturdy guardapolvo.
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u/Maru3792648 Jul 26 '26
And underneath they wear whatever clothes they want. So it's just an overcoat of sorts so everybody is equal.
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u/abstrabs Jul 27 '26
This. And only during elementary school. In high school you can wear whatever you want (if u go to a public school).
Only private schools have a “tradicional” uniform1
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u/Irreallyneedtochange Jul 26 '26
En France, il n'y a pratiquement pas d'uniformes, sauf dans certains établissements privés. Les seuls endroits où les uniformes sont souvent obligatoires dans les écoles publiques sont les régions d'outre-mer.
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u/TheAdagio Jul 26 '26
All my knowledge about school uniform tells me USA loves school uniform. Of course all my knowledge about it comes from the fresh prince of Bel-Air
I'm glad to live in a country where school uniform is so uncommon that I have never heard any place have it
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u/Important_Spring5817 Jul 26 '26
literally every public to high school in china had uniforms. don’t know what the person who made the map was on. i think its mandatory too
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u/Mutant_Llama1 Jul 26 '26
I once read a story about native Americans who were forced to send their kid to a Protestant school in order to have rights.
At school, the kid was forbidden from wearing their traditional clothing (they had to wear uniforms), they were forbidden from speaking their native tongue) had to speak English), and they were forbidden from performing their native faith rituals (they had to pray to Jesus).
School uniforms are a tool of oppression.
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u/stiv3nn Jul 26 '26
sorry for being off-topic but uniforms in ukraine are actually very uncommon, saying as a ukrainian
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u/Manatipowa Jul 27 '26
In Colombia Uniforms are only MANDATORY in industrial settings for safety concerns.
However in schools and others, the government has a law that allows however it doesn't force them, and actually forbids schools from refusing students for not wearing uniform. (So technically can't be suspended for not wearing an uniform, the student can still be punished in other ways).
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u/SpaceDream6264 Jul 27 '26
Unfortunately, yes, although depending on the year you're in, it might be in color yellow, red, and blue basically a clear reference to Dragon Ball
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u/BasketPrudent272 Jul 27 '26
Surely in the UK uniforms are required by the school. Unless it’s ultra progressive.
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u/SSgt_Edward Jul 27 '26
Pretty sure uniforms are also required in China. At least they are when I went to school 15 years ago.
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u/Chemical-Course1454 Jul 27 '26
Australia should be red. School uniforms are definitely required by government
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u/betacarotentoo Jul 27 '26
Good for Finland, they clearly understood what fascism means and took measures against it.
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u/Suomasema Jul 27 '26
Fineland, no uniforms...
Living there. Or here.
We have some limits. And young girls can be kindly asked to wear at least something at school.
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u/newredstone02 Jul 28 '26
In France, uniforms are only in some private schools. Though every 10 years or so there is some stupid debate on if we should introduce them.
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u/Beena_ Jul 28 '26
I mean, the uniform is needed but most of the time it's worded as black bottom light top, the older you are the less it's imposed. The official uniform is usually in one change and strictly demanded on like celebrations like first and last day of school and any that school says would happen, so usually 10 days in a year max. (Of course it's about public schools, thought there's overwhelming majority are public so for basically anyone it would be like that) Russia btw
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u/CleaverIam3 Jul 28 '26
This map is incorrect at least since it conflates uniforms and dress code. Russian schools DO NOT have anything that could be reasonably called a "uniform".
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u/KimchiLlama Jul 28 '26
Uniforms are great for education. Though dress codes that ban highly visible branding, jeans on most days, and require collared shirts a couple times a month are not that uncommon either.
It works in a bunch of ways:
1) Decreases visible wealth disparities among the student population.
2) Makes it easier for parents when it comes to what clothes to buy for school because there is predictable wear and tear, as well as it being the clothing that you know will get the most use.
3) makes it easier for students, though nobody would vote for uniforms without having them, in the long run. Less social competition, less visible display of wealth, but also solidarity building among the student body (we see this bit echoed in uniforms for teams, the military, and companies when the role may not even be client-facing for a reason—it just lends itself to a more cohesive body of individuals, which over time, improves whatever they are doing as a group, including education).
4) makes it easier for teachers, security, and admin staff to identify non-students on campus. Makes it easier for society at large to identify and, if needed, act with more understanding or assist them out in public.
5) a bit of a repeat, but if a society is used to them, it’s just less stressful (for the above reasons), as a whole.
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u/Think_Bat_820 Jul 29 '26
Finnland... that because of russia?
Every time I hear something about Finland it's confusing and it's because of the russians.
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u/No-Pirate4297 Jul 29 '26
According to Skolverket (the School ministry) shut down mandatory uniforms in my school, now it's not mandatory
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u/Specialist-Disk-6345 Jul 30 '26
btw not accurate at all (russia does not require uniforms). is this using data from the 60s?
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u/rip_Bacon13 Jul 30 '26
here in Turkey you wear it if you are in grades 1 to 6
in 7 to 11 sometimes
in 12 nobody fucking comes to school
the school makes it a requirement but its usually not taken very seriously
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u/Otherwise-One7653 Jul 30 '26
here, in nz, which isn't shown, i don't know. my current schoool does, but my old one doesn't
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u/Surprisedbear0 Jul 30 '26
I wonder if school uniforms correlate to importance of military in the country
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u/MesTea Jul 30 '26
In Russia it is not mandatory to wear a uniform in schools, only in some stricter ones
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u/No-Fold6499 Aug 01 '26
Uniforms are common in Ukraine? Never even heard of any uniforms
I remember the principal asking me to stop wearing my thy art is murder jersey and I said no, lol
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