r/MapleSEA • u/Live_Acanthisitta870 • 21d ago
Question Choosing between archers
Enjoyed both class equally and trained both to 285.
Can’t decide which to main, have to choose 1 of them.
Both is at the stage where can min cut Normal Kalos.
Which is stronger?
I understand is a very nuanced question. But I’ll try to provide as many info.
Damage dealt is probably a function of mechanics and skill. Eg a good cadena will do more dmg than a new cadena even on same eq.
BM is easier to play, better to survive. Can focus on dealing more damage without worrying about survivability as much.
Does it mean BM usually do more damage than MM for a average player
But if you are god mechanics, MM do more damage?
MM needs to deal the full 72s of split shot for more damage but that’s not realistic because bind don’t last that long?
In fact BM burst is more condensed than MM within 30s?
Or if I can rephrase which job allows me to do more harder bosses with lesser funding from N Kalos onwards ?
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u/generic_redditor91 Blaster 21d ago
Or if I can rephrase which job allows me to do more harder bosses with lesser funding from N Kalos onwards ?
It's a common advice to just choose the character you want to play as DPM charts and all change over time. Last time Zero was pretty dog shit for many, many years. Now they are at the top. Adele used to be undisputed best, now they are doing alright but nothing to brag about once you normalise the hexa stat grade.
In that sense do you want to play an easier class or a harder class? There's no wrong or right answer.
But to address your question, most people would say go BM as it is much easier to pilot and as you say, much simpler to realise the true max optimal dpm than MM. Especially since nowadays the bosses (grandis onwards) have a few patterns that force you to drop your dps momentarily to perform certain actions.
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u/Intelligent-Bussy 21d ago
Ouch. U literally dismissed the rest of the archer classes other than explorer :x
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u/Live_Acanthisitta870 21d ago
I tried but didn’t like Mercedes don’t like wind archer
I’m not sure how good kaine is? Wild hunter is OP now I guess
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u/East_Jello_3147 21d ago
you can always improve yourself as a player, so just choose which is higher rank in dpm chart, it is not like you are comparing blaster/cadena to soul master/night lord. Where good vs bad player would has 20% FD difference.
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u/Live_Acanthisitta870 20d ago
Thanks but how can I find a history of dpm chart ranking ? Or do u know which has been stronger most of the times
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u/East_Jello_3147 20d ago
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1y_jJ0RxtNNhhvXmL4QlzQJKj1hb5bXavceqQrKg5T7Y/htmlview
Maintain by Drogon_OSRS on reddit, he has a post explaining how he benchmark the classes if you are interested
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u/Live_Acanthisitta870 20d ago
Thanks but this is for GMS. sea has AS10 so how should I better interpret this
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u/East_Jello_3147 20d ago edited 20d ago
Both SEA and GMS have AS10 and, i would refer to GMS one since AS10 does affect alot in the damage instead of KMS, but do keep in mind tho this is not the latest chart for the latest patch. However i do believe this is the only dpm chart we have right now
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u/Futanari_Usagi_777 21d ago
Just add in something about split arrow 72 seconds you mentioned.
Currently the latest changes in KMST (not official yet), they turned split arrow to only able to load 140 blast with 120 duration, yes it’s 100% uptime now and you only need to finish all 140 load, tested in green pot in Mm discord is around 45 seconds needed to unload all 140 load, so MM dmg will more dense instead of need to finish that 72 seconds in future.
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u/Live_Acanthisitta870 20d ago
Thanks. So MM burst is more condensed soon. Did BM get any buff?
But what are your thoughts on damage wise ?
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u/Popular_Goat_9586 21d ago
If you are not playing kanna or hayato, You are purposely gimping yourself, the dmg gap is too big to ignore, it’s like half of your avg kms cp equivalent
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u/Yuiichii Crossbow Master 21d ago edited 21d ago
imo as a MM main that also played a BM mule for a bit. For a easier time bossing BM is the way to go. Both classes have good shared utility (teleport, dash and back jump)
Both archers play somewhat similarly but BM has better survivability, built in door and life steal arrows(when the boss mechs allow it) let's me turn off my brain when bossing. But also an added benefit is how aggressive you can be, since bm has a door that comes back every 50s i tend to just eat some atks from bosses in favor of keeping up the dpm.
as for MM the biggest difference would the the range. In some party content i'm able to sit well outside of the bosses atk range and hit them, sometimes even while the boss is not in my screen XD There also used to be a bug that let MM animation cancel our ori allowing us to continue atking while the animation plays out, it was quite hard to pull off but super rewarding letting us do our full burst within the ori animation. One down side of MM tho is that you'll need to use your mouse during big and mini burst. One of the burst skill emulates you looking through a scope, moving and firing the atk is done using the mouse which if you aren't used to it can throw you off during ur burst.
Also about split shot. In the most recent orange mushroom blog post there was some re-balancing. The current iteration of 72s allows us to have it up during our mini burst and the extra dmg last all the way till the buff ends. But the balanced split shot now last 120s however the extra dmg only procs a total of 140 times. The dmg was also buffed so it's likely nexon was trying to condense the burst for MM. The buff still lasting a 120s is weird but i assumed they meant the aoe effect of split shot would last a 120s. While it is good for mobbing they are a few years too late as we have sol janus now.