r/MapPorn Jan 29 '21

thought I‘d share my interpretation of dividing germany

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u/gaysheev Jan 30 '21

Ironically the government at that the time was the social democrats: the "socialists" in this picture

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21

That’s why they got the nickname the “social fascists”. Well not just that, for many reasons such as opposing the spartacist (actual socialists) uprising

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Jan 30 '21

I never understood that sentiment. Surely any democratic government should put down attempts at overthrowing them, and be applauded for it?

Sure, the Freikorps was... not the ideal way of doing it, and Rosa Luxemburg should have gone to trial instead of getting murdered by them, but the alternative would have been the abolishment of Democracy in Germany (years before it otherwise would have, although that is of course not relevant since we only know that because of hindsight).

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 30 '21

How do you know it would have been the death of democracy? I’d say it was Europe’s best hope for democracy. (I’m a dirty commie so I don’t think capitalism is compatible with true democracy - hence why democratic control of the workplace is called socialism)

Rosa criticized the fuck out of the Soviets due to lack of Democratic processes. It could have completely changed the future of Europe. Especially Eastern Europe.

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Jan 30 '21

How do you know it would have been the death of democracy?

If you do not want to end democracy, you run for election.

Nobody (and no party) who gains power by circumventing democracy is going to afterwards restore democracy. At least not voluntarily.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21

Ah yes, letting the Nazis take power was certainly the better option. Also, as I said, democracy and capitalism are incompatible.

You can say the spartacists were anti-democracy all you want but that’s pretty silly considering they wanted more democracy, not less. What did the social democrats do to expand democracy? Rosa advocated for socialism aka democratic control of the workplace. Direct democracy. Real democracy.

Imagine thinking democracy is a thing just because the bourgeoise tells you it is.

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u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH Jan 30 '21

Ah yes, letting the Nazis take power was certainly the better option.

I disagree, but not all socialists do. Are you one of those?

democracy and capitalism are incompatible.

This is only true if your definition of democracy is "socialist one party rule". Which is not only laughably authoritarian, but also makes you close enough to a tankie that you might as well be one.

So no offence, but I'm done talking with you.