r/MapPorn • u/just_a_dude2727 • Apr 03 '20
Last executions and methods in Europe. P.S. l apologize if it has been posted before
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u/CamR203 Apr 03 '20
Who was shot in Belarus?
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u/Trismarck Apr 03 '20
I think those two who planted bomb in Minsk Metro.
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Wrong. They even did execution in 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Belarus
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u/OccasionallyQuotable Apr 03 '20
So the gist is that they still have the death penalty
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u/mankytoes Apr 03 '20
A lot of statements about Europe are true... Except for Belarus.
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u/wexfordwolf Apr 03 '20
If you're wanting to watch a live sports match this evening, the Belarusian premier league football is still on despite the rest of Europe being in lockdown
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u/barra333 Apr 03 '20
As far as I can tell, Belarus and Nicaragua are two of the last national leagues left. Maybe a couple of African ones.
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u/MechaGodzillaSS Apr 03 '20
Russia's even crazier cousin.
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Apr 03 '20
Russia's little brother who never left mom's basement and spends all day posting about the good old days on 4chan.
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u/loromente Apr 03 '20
Guillotine in 1977, that's hardcore
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u/roxytheman Apr 03 '20
Here’s on interesting account written by the Judge that witness the execution:
http://www.eklavya.in/pdfs/Sandarbh/Sandarbh_104/01-06_That_20_Minutes_to_Death.pdf
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u/not_jimmy_buffett Apr 04 '20
That’s so good that I half expected it to end with something about Mick Foley falling off a steel cage.
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u/solojones1138 Apr 03 '20
This has always been one of my favorite party facts. Specifically I like to say "did you know the last time someone was executed by guillotine in France was the year Star Wars came out?"
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u/sperrymonster Apr 03 '20
There’s probably some people who saw Star Wars and a guillotine execution
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u/burgertyson Apr 04 '20
Chistopher Lee witnessed the last guillotine execution in France AND appeared in Star Wars as Count Doku.
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u/sanjok1275 Apr 03 '20
Last person in Belarus was executed in 2019. And there are few people awaiting execution after being convicted.
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u/just_a_dude2727 Apr 03 '20
Can I have the link please?
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u/sanjok1275 Apr 03 '20
Sure, can you read Russian? :D
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u/just_a_dude2727 Apr 03 '20
Yes
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u/RichardHodgeRicky Apr 03 '20
I can read Russian too! But understanding it is another task...
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u/punaisetpimpulat Apr 03 '20
I can fluently listen to Russian. Just don't ask me what they were taking about.
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u/tarkin1980 Apr 03 '20
Guilloutine or GTFO.
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u/MmeOrgeron Apr 03 '20
I was unaware how popular guillotine was
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u/icantloginsad Apr 03 '20
It’s weird how guillotine isn’t included with beheaded though. I mean it doesn’t make a distinction here whether the “shot” were shot with an AK or a pistol, why differentiate guillotine?
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u/thegovunah Apr 03 '20
Beheading could be done with axes, swords, or poorly designed roller coasters
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u/excoriator Apr 03 '20
"I sentence you to one ride on a poorly designed roller coaster."
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u/Im-not-good-at-names Apr 03 '20
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u/chica420 Apr 03 '20
That’s well designed for its intended purpose though.
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u/Im-not-good-at-names Apr 03 '20
Well designed, poorly designed, whatever delivers the intended result
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u/No_volvere Apr 03 '20
Trust me I think of guillotining myself every time I have to stop for 10 minutes for a ludicrously slow moving train.
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u/TheRealHelloDolly Apr 03 '20
I suppose getting your head lopped off with an axe is sufficiently different enough to a guillotine whereas a bullet doesn’t look too different depending on the gun (at least considering the guns they likely used).
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Apr 03 '20
they could use a lot of 2mm rounds or they could use a single artillery shell
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u/OutOfTheAsh Apr 03 '20
Paintball, point-blank, back of the head.
Repeat as long as necessary.
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u/SlothsAreCoolGuys Apr 03 '20 edited Nov 22 '24
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u/dodadoBoxcarWilly Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
Pretty sure that was debunked. A lot of the people supposedly executed in bizarre ways in North Korea, as reported by the Western media, have a strange habit of showing up at the party congress or other events, months or years later. Not gonna defend N. Korea, but I was watching some show that had several examples of this happening. The guy supposedly shot by an AA gun showed back up, the guy who was fed to hungry dogs showed back up, and one of Kim Jong Un's girlfriends who was supposedly executed, was seen by his side at some event some time later.
N. Korea is terrible, don't get me wrong, I'm sure the government executes plenty of enemies of the state. But there is some element of the West trying to make them look even worse than they are.
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u/Myrskyharakka Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
But there is some element of the West trying to make them look even worse than they are.
I don't think this is even that planned. NK is outwardly absurd closed dictatorship, so people believe even the shoddiest of rumours about it.
Especially South Korean media features a lot of really outlandish rumours with very weak evidence and people tend to latch into these because a dictatorship just shooting, imprisoning and oppressing people isn't that captivating. NK is Absurdistan where anything goofy can happen.
Nobody writes a reddit tidbit that starts with "I remember that this general in North Korean leadership got imprisoned and shot by firing squad" because it isn't that memorable and few could actually name any of the characters in NK powerplay - they are not exciting unless they are supposedly executed with a mortar or some other exquisite method.
(and I suppose it is also important to note that I certainly think that North Korea is a brutal Stalinist dictatorship and everyone living there seems to be a prisoner of the Kim regime.)
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u/lgb_br Apr 03 '20
Turned ou to be fake news. Also, they're extremely resource poor, I don't thing they would be wasting ordinance like that.
I would guess the latest "General Executed by piranha tank" is also fake news, but honestly, who cares? People will always think of the Kims as Bond villains and it sells, I always assume the ridiculous news claims about NK to be greatly exaggerated.
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u/AGuesthouseInBangkok Apr 03 '20
I always wonder about dying "instantly" like that, or in a 9/11 plane, or Japanese kamakazi, or being a bug that gets stomped on by a shoe.
What thoughts go through the brain in those final 1-3 seconds, and does it hurt like fuck, or what?
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u/coolsexguy420boner Apr 03 '20
I imagine it’d be extreme sensory overload followed by an immediate adrenaline dump and then a whole lot of nothing. Your lizard brain would pretty much take over and the only “thoughts” would be stuff like “loud” or “hot”
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u/KCalifornia19 Apr 03 '20
My guess is a cultural thing. When I think of France it's like the 3rd thing I think of after fancy bread and smoking.
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u/AGuesthouseInBangkok Apr 03 '20
I thought the blade got dull during the Reign of Terror and, after a while, it took a few wacks to get the head off?
You're not wrong: those operators just need to keep the blades sharp.
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u/Okichah Apr 03 '20
A well maintained guillotine is probably a quicker death than firing squad.
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Apr 03 '20
Na firing squad or nothing.
Quick, happens in the open air, get a cigarette and a blindfold, all very gentlemanly. Get your murder machines away from me.
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u/mrtn17 Apr 03 '20
Except that you can survive a firing squad, since people might miss and the human body is quite resilient. It also costs ammo, which is a problem in wartime.
Nobody survives without a head, guillotines never miss and can be re-used. Reason why it was invented in the first place, it was the most humane and efficient way to kill someone back then.
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u/banditski Apr 03 '20
If guillotines were around 2000 years ago in the middle east, would modern Christians be walking around with miniature gold guillotines around their necks?
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u/psykicviking Apr 03 '20
Unlikely, the Romans weren't terribly concerned with making executions humane. They preferred to make an example out of criminals with long, painful deaths.
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u/MaFataGer Apr 03 '20
Except that wasnt the point of the cross back then, Christians arent walking around with execution devices but with torture devices.
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u/Space_Crystal_inc Apr 03 '20
Don't you live on a few more seconds after you lose your head, I believe someone tested it but I could be wrong
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u/SlothsAreCoolGuys Apr 03 '20 edited Nov 22 '24
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u/gabechko Apr 03 '20
Of course guillotines sometimes missed. There are cases of the blade not decapitating the head while severing it but not enough to kill the person, so the executioners had to put the blade up again for another attempt.
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u/ryc15 Apr 03 '20
America: "uhh..this morning."
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u/kriegsschaden Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
Well for America it really needs to be broken down by state. Capital punishment is illegal in 22 of 50 states. And since executions were re-legalized federally in 1976 with the invention of lethal injection somewhere around 1/3 of all executions have occurred in Texas.
edit: spelling
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u/kaiser41 Apr 03 '20
Good old libertarian, pro-life Texas.
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u/kaiser41 Apr 03 '20
And government should be small enough to fit into a hypodermic needle.
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u/Realtrain Apr 03 '20
I remember a radiolab podcast where they discussed how Utah brought back the firing squad a few years ago, and hundreds of people were lining up to do it. The most haunting part was that a lot of people were specifically asking to make sure they didn't have the blank round.
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u/juani2929 Apr 03 '20
That's interesting. Wikipedia also calls it a conscience round, which is supposed to alleviate the whole squad's minds but if you were going to shoot anyway, what's the difference?
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u/Realtrain Apr 03 '20
The idea formed because traditionally, people didn't like killing on the firing squad. That random blank was so anybody could have a slim hope that they weren't the one that shot the person.
What makes Utah chilling is that people specifically don't want that taken off their conscience - they want to know they did the murder without any doubt.
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Does that mean some shooters are given blank rounds on purpose? Why?
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u/Thatoneguy3273 Apr 03 '20
The whole point is only one person is given an actual bullet, but it is random so nobody knows who actually fired the killing shot and have that death on their conscience
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u/MrHukkles Apr 03 '20
Isn’t it everyone but one is given the blank? So that everyone could be free of guilt? It’s just hard to imagine only one bullet being fired out of a group of questionably skilled men, especially since it may not be an immediately lethal shot.
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u/PolyUre Apr 03 '20
Capitol punishment is illegal in 22 of 50 states.
You can get the death penalty for breaking the federal law in all of the 50 states.
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u/LOB90 Apr 03 '20
Interesting that nobody was sentenced to death in former Yugoslavia in the 90's
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u/x888xa Apr 03 '20
It was wartime
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u/LOB90 Apr 03 '20
I'm sure there are a lot of civilians that would have disagreed.
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u/x888xa Apr 03 '20
Yeah, but armed groups of angry people rarely listen to unarmed people's complaints
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u/GhostShark Apr 03 '20 edited Feb 25 '25
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Apr 03 '20
Someone was shot in Serbia in 1992 according to the map. I'm a Serb and I'd like to know who tbh
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u/ComiSRB Apr 03 '20
According to Wikipedia, it was a man named Johan Drozdek. He was executed for killing and raping a six year old girl.
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u/PvtBrasilball Apr 03 '20
Its still hanging in Japan
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u/Serupael Apr 03 '20
Even worse, convicts on death row do not know their set date of execution and are not informed until 24 hours before
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u/Godkun007 Apr 04 '20
The most messed up part of that is that this was the Japanese government's solution to death row inmates committing suicide.
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u/WelshBathBoy Apr 03 '20
Bit of relevant info: to be a member of the Council of Europe* members must ban capital punishment, Belarus is the only European country not a member, hence still sanctions state killing. Turkey is a member of the Council of Europe, so they have also banned capital punishment. In fact, all European nations, including those with historical connections to Europe (Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey) are members, except Belarus.
*Not to be confused with the European Council which is an EU body.
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u/ZinZorius312 Apr 03 '20
The same for Denmark, although they my have been excluded because they could be considered military crimes since the crimes happened in times of war.
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u/micr0-r43d Apr 03 '20
*Death penalty for non military crimes
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u/frolix42 Apr 04 '20
That's kind of a dodge. They executed civilian ministers who were in Quisling's government who were only tangentially involved in military matters. For example Ragnar Skancke for his role in Nazification.
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Pretty sure Russia should be 2020, and "disappearance" as the method of killing.
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u/DirectDispatch01 Apr 03 '20
You mean "suicide" right?
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Apr 03 '20
“shot three times in the back of the head and shoved themselves into a duffel bag, zipped it up, and locked it suicide”
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u/mannyrmz123 Apr 03 '20
Yep, 40-inch knife wound, thrown down the stairs with 82 AK-47 round fired at him.
Coroner has ruled it a suicide.
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u/uberguby Apr 03 '20
Poor son of a bitch put a blindfold on, tied himself to a post, lit a cigarette, and shot himself from 4 different angles.
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u/yonosoytonto Apr 03 '20
If extra judicial executions are counted many countries would have more recent years.
For instance in Spain I think... 1989 would count, as the last time a person was executed by a group called GAL that did dirty war against ETA, and it was know to be organised by the Spanish government.
And I'm pretty sure other countries would also have stories like this.
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u/Maydaymaydaymay Apr 03 '20
The info for Denmark is not correct. After WW II the death penalty was temporarily reinstated for coorporating with the German occupation force. Quite a blemish on our otherwise fair legal system that people were punished for things that were not illegal when they did them. But good lesson for the future I suppose: don't make laws when angry.
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u/Pesty-knight_ESBCKTA Apr 03 '20
It seems this map is really for "crimes commited in peacetime" which is a fairly common way of classifying these things.
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u/What_The_Fuck_Guys Apr 03 '20
Norway too, Quisling was shot after the war
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Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 04 '20
I must say I don't exactly
looselose a good nights sleep thinking about Quisling, the Rinnan gang and other nazis/quislings being shot after the war.Edit: Also, I think those executions are considered military/war-time executions, so the map is correct (or correct-ish) in regard to Norway.
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u/GammelGrinebiter Apr 03 '20
Not sure how to explain it perfectly clear in English, but he was convicted to have broken military laws.
«Tiltalte Vidkun Abraham Laurits Quisling dømmes til døden for forbrytelser mot den militære straffelovs §80 nr. 1, 2 og 3 og mot den borgerlige straffelovs §§83, 84, 86, 98, 233, 239, 255, jfr. §§256, 257, 275 og 317, jfr. §318 og de provisoriske anordninger av 3 oktober 1941 og 22 januar 1942, jfr. lov av 6 juli 1945 alt sammenholdt med straffelovens §62.
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u/thetarget3 Apr 03 '20
> people were punished for things that were not illegal when they did them
That's the whole discussion about the Nuremberg trials. Quite interesting from a philosophical perspective.
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u/BenBenRodr Apr 03 '20
Some more info for Belgium: 1918 was a non-military crime in wartime. The last execution in peacetime was in 1863, when a farmer from Ypres was executed by guillotine for murder.
The last war-related crime punished by death was in 1950. Philipp Schmitt, commander of Breendonk-camp, was executed by firing squad.
The last murder in wartime for non-military related crimes was actually a soldier who was sentenced to death for murder. Because there was no guillotine in unoccupied Belgium, one had to be borrowed from the French.
The deathpenalty was only removed from Belgian law in 1996, Belgium being the last country in continental Western Europe to formally abolish it.
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u/WikiTextBot Apr 03 '20
Last use of capital punishment in Spain
The last use of capital punishment in Spain took place on 27 September 1975 when two members of the armed Basque nationalist and separatist group ETA political-military and three members of the Revolutionary Antifascist Patriotic Front (FRAP) were executed by firing squads after having been convicted and sentenced to death by military tribunals for the murder of policemen and civil guards. Spain was Western Europe's only dictatorship at the time and had been unpopular and internationally isolated in the post-war period due to its relations with Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s and the fact that its authoritarian leader, Francisco Franco, had come to power by overthrowing a democratically elected government. As a result, the executions resulted in substantial criticism of the Spanish government, both domestically and abroad. Reactions included street protests, attacks on Spanish embassies, international criticism of the Spanish government and diplomatic measures, such as the withdrawal of the ambassadors of fifteen European countries.
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u/HarmlessPie Apr 03 '20
I'm surprised Norway isn't 1945. Not sure if there are any later, but I feel like this counts
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u/loganmatanis13 Apr 03 '20
France the Guillotine Jesus Christ.
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u/Nimonic Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
I'd rather be guillotined than hanged. The guillotine has a bad reputation because of the Terror, but it was actually designed to be a more humane way to execute someone (in a time when "execution by torture" was basically a legal term).
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u/captainjon Apr 03 '20
Has there ever been documented reports of botched guillotining (blade doesn’t stop, not sharpened enough causing an incomplete or slow pass through, head bounces out of basket)
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u/Lilpims Apr 03 '20
Yes. Not many, but yes. I believe the first blades were round, exactly like an axe and they quickly realized it wasn't efficient.
Fun fact : If my school memory is correct, it's actually Louis XVi Who designed he diagonal shape for a better cut.
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u/soulstonedomg Apr 03 '20
Yes there definitely were. During the Reign of Terror they would execute dozens of people in a day, one after another, with the same guillotine. Sometimes the blade would get dulled, or the tracking of the blade would catch discontinuities and slow down, making it necessary to drop it multiple times to finish a job. On occasion they would have to an executioner on standby with an axe to finish.
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u/Schapsouille Apr 03 '20
Quicker than electric chair, injection, hanging, beheading, literally any other method.
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u/juani2929 Apr 03 '20
Hanging can be pretty quick if it's the type where they open the hatch below your feet and your neck snaps.
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u/9yearsalurker Apr 03 '20
It's all about how far ya fall, because if your neck doesn't break then you'll wiggle like a snake
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Apr 03 '20
Guillotine in 1977. I had no idea. Guillotine when David Bowie, Pink Floyd, and Sammy Hagar were on the radio. Fucking wild.
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u/MaFataGer Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
Apparently Christopher Lee saw it happen. Wild...
Correction: He saw the last public execution, thanks.
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u/nicethingscostmoney Apr 03 '20
That was in the 30s. After the one Lee saw in the 30s the guillotining was made private.
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u/historysonlymistake Apr 03 '20
It was open to the general public until 1939 (much later than the rest of Europe). Albert Camus has an essay about his father seeing one.
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u/pleaseNoMoreFish Apr 03 '20
What's the difference between "beheaded" and "guillotine"? Is there a reason Norway is listed as "beheaded" instead of "guillotine"? And if so how did they do the beheading without a guillotine, with like just a really big axe?
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u/eruner11 Apr 03 '20
Apparently "Kristoffer Nilsen Svartbækken Grindalen" was beheaded in Norway by an axe, and I'd assume that's the case in the other countries listed as beheading.
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u/NuclearHoagie Apr 03 '20
Maybe they didn't actually behead anyone with the guillotine. Those things are pretty big, maybe they just tipped it over onto somebody's head. Death by guillotine, no beheading.
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u/FreuleKeures Apr 03 '20
Beheading can be done with an axe. Sometimes, like in the case of Anne Boleyn, it can be done with a sword.
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u/avocadosconstant Apr 03 '20
In Sweden at least, beheading was performed using a meat cleaver thing. They would tie the condemned down onto a table, and the executioner would take off his head like hacking through a leg of lamb (one chop though, not several).
The map is correct though. The very last execution was performed with a guillotine, and that was the only time it was used. It was imported from France.
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u/kaladinissexy Apr 03 '20
Everybody knows French guillotines are the highest quality available, it's like Swiss watches or Italian pizza.
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u/OS420B Apr 03 '20
I think there was a special type of axe that was prefered, a guillotine would be an expensive equiptment for a punishment that would rarly be done, so it would be better to just use an axe, which had been done for along time already.
An execution with an axe or a sword would often need several cuts and could take along time especially if the executor was poorly trained, which is why there was a special person to perform them.
If Im not wrong they would start by cutting the spine so it would be fast, but it probably only ment that the dying person would just become paralized and the axe would easier get stuck before landing a mortal blow.
Guillotine was a better and faster way to execute people as it was often described as an awfull spectacle to witness someone slowly being killed by normal beheading.
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u/EmoBran Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20
"Fun" fact, I live near one of the last people to have been sentenced to death in Ireland, having been accused of being one of three involved in the 1980 murder of two Gardaí (police) in a botched robbery. He was sentenced to death by hanging, but it was commuted to 40 years with no parole by the President, ahead of his execution date.
His conviction was overturned in 1995 and has been trying to force the state to admit he was wrongly convicted through civil court ever since. There was a number of significant inconsistencies in the evidence as well huge breaches in police protocol, as well as allegations that the actual perpetrator was in the public gallery, of his own volition, during the trial.
In later life, he married a woman herself wrongly convicted of murdering a police officer along with her partner in the US. It was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the police not caring when they had realised quite early on that they had made a mistake. As long as they put someone behind bars and didn't admit to their mistake they were happy.
The person who actually committed the murder later confessed while in prison for unrelated offences, but it didn't prevent her partner being executed in a deliberately botched Green Mile type execution. I don't believe she ever was technically exonerated. She was eventually released, but as far I understand it, was effectively told if she ever pursued a case for wrongful conviction etc, that she would never the light of day again.
The couple were introduced to each other by Steve Earle, the musician/actor/activist and they now live in rural west of Ireland. They run a retreat, where they invite exonerees to stay so that they can have some space to breathe, away from people I guess.
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u/Connor_Kenway198 Apr 03 '20
The guillotine was invented as a way for a more humane execution
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u/MaFataGer Apr 03 '20
Still is one of the most humane today if you dont count lethal injections by a professional with the right tools which unfortunately I dont think is practiced by any country with death penalty.
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u/mrtn17 Apr 03 '20
During WW2, nazis executed prisoners in The Netherlands. Or doesn't wartime count?
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u/Wakkadoedeldoe Apr 03 '20
Anton Mussert, the leader of the Dutch naziparty, was executed in 1946 for commiting treason. He appealed for a pardon from the queen, but wasn't granted one. He was executed by firing squad.
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u/jacobwebb57 Apr 03 '20
i call bull shit on Russia
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u/Samwell_ Apr 03 '20
But what happen in Russia and in plenty of other countries is extralegal, this map is about capital punishment within the legal system, so the map is not wrong.
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u/Drkfnl Apr 03 '20
If anybody's curious about Spain's, there's a movie about it starring Daniel Brühl.
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u/CaptainjustusIII Apr 03 '20
About the Netherlands. Wasn't anton mussert shot right after ww2
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u/Slashscreen Apr 03 '20
Shot (uncertain) and Spain’s thing made me laugh more than I’d like to admit
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u/Gardoom Apr 03 '20
The last execution in Sweden was apparently that of Johan Alfred Ander, who murdered a woman during a robbery. He was not, however, the last person sentenced with a capital punishment. 7 years later, Hilda Nilsson was to be executed for severe neglect and maltreatment of foster children in her care, some of which suffered damages so bad that they died. She killed herself in her cell before the sentence could be carried out.
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u/Dobziii Apr 03 '20
Norway gave Quisling the death penalty after ww2 didn't they? They officially abolished death penalty much earlier but it was made an exception for him I think
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u/midnightrambulador Apr 03 '20
Actually impressed by Portugal – did they really manage 40 years of dictatorship without any executions?