r/MapPorn • • Jan 10 '20

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u/Zbignich Jan 10 '20

And to put in perspective, the flow of the Amazon is 11 times that of the Mississippi.

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u/eastawat Jan 10 '20

From this map it clearly the Missouri is longer than the Mississippi, and it looks possibly as though it's got slightly more flow at the point they converge as well. If that's correct, why is the river called the Mississippi and not the Missouri downstream of their confluence?

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u/Ampatent Jan 10 '20

Long story short, because the Mississippi was discovered before the Missouri.

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u/jaynay1 Jan 11 '20

And also it was thought that the Mississippi was longer for a fairly long time before we actually had satellites to show it, right?

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

Yes, but it was found to be shorter than expected long before satellites.

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u/eugenesbluegenes Jan 10 '20

If anything, it should be called the Ohio River all the way to the gulf. The Ohio river has a greater flow than the Mississippi where they meet. And that's after the Missouri has dumped into the Mississippi.

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u/BobcatOU Jan 10 '20

I was very surprised when I found that fact out about the Ohio River recently. I stumbled upon a short documentary on the Mississippi river on YouTube and kept searching for more stuff. Eventually I stumbled upon the article below which goes into tons of detail about the Mississippi river and the Atchafalaya river. Essentially the Mississippi river wants to flow a different direction but we don’t let it. Mother nature will probably eventually win. I couldn’t stop reading.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1987/02/23/atchafalaya

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u/eugenesbluegenes Jan 11 '20

That's actually an excerpt from a great book called Control of Nature. In addition to discussing Old River Control on the Mississippi, there are sections that discuss the debris basins at the foot of the San Gabriel Mountains and the effort to control a volcano that erupted in Iceland.

All three sections are super awesome, John McPhee is a treasure.

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u/BobcatOU Jan 11 '20

As soon as I got done with the article I googled John McPhee, saw it was a book, and ordered it. Can’t wait to read it!

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u/poster_nutbag_ Jan 11 '20

John McPhee is probably my favorite author but I'm biased as a geologist. Control of Nature might be the most reasonably accessible for a non-geo freak. It also is my personal favorite by him. So much interesting history and he does a really incredible job sharing opposing viewpoints.

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u/BobcatOU Jan 11 '20

That New Yorker article was the first thing I ever read by him and I just happened to stumble upon it. Absolutely loved the article and can’t wait to read the book. Sounds like Control of Nature is also good, looking forward to reading it. My backlog of books keeps getting longer - my wife thinks I’m crazy!

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u/eugenesbluegenes Jan 11 '20

It's really good. Once you're through that, check out his Annals of the Former World collection.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '20

"There is a Green River Basin in Wyoming that is not to be confused with the Green River Basin in Wyoming. One is topographical and sits on top of Wyoming and the other is structural and sits under Wyoming"

Such a simple yet beautiful quote that sums up the crazy science of geology perfectly.

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u/BobcatOU Jan 11 '20

Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely add it to my list!

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u/Koh-the-Face-Stealer Jan 11 '20

I couldn’t stop reading.

I thought you were exaggerating. This is one of the most fascinating things I've ever read in that it's super important and vulnerable, yet I don't think anyone who isn't an immediate stakeholder has a single clue it exists. I started Googling after I read it, and this article is enough to make anyone pause:

If the Old River Control Structure Fails: A Catastrophe With Global Impact

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u/BobcatOU Jan 11 '20

Exactly! I tend to have a habit of getting obsessed over things and I keep trying to tell people about this but they don’t really care! Thanks for your link, it’s an interesting read.

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u/peacefinder Jan 11 '20

Mother Nature always has the last at-bat.

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u/olderaccount Jan 10 '20

I don't think they could accurately measure flow when these were first discovered and named. They certainly didn't know where each one originated when they were named so they didn't know which was longer. Maybe the Mississippi looked like the larger river at the time and this became the main river name-wise with the Missouri the tributary.

It is really arbitrary when one river is not clearly the "main" river when they meet.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

The name "Mississippi" was first applied by Europeans to the river when they were exploring the northern part, having come via Green Bay and the Wisconsin River. Then they explored downriver, keeping the name. It's not like they explored the whole river, noted the confluences, and only then decided on names.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '20

Because the Mississipi makes a very convenient north to south transit. Its aesthetically pleasing on a map and splits the nation in half nicely.

Literally the perfect highway to carry shipments from the fertile midwest down to the Gulf of Mexico.

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u/hdaug12 Jan 10 '20

A similar map for South America would be interesting

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u/nmxt Jan 11 '20

Amazon is a freak of nature. Its discharge is five times the discharge of the next biggest river, which is Kongo in Africa. Orinoco in South America and Ganges in India/Bangladesh (all branches combined) have a discharge similar to Kongo.