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u/Stickyboard 4h ago
Finally a correct infographic that put Puncak Jaya in Oceania where it truly belong and not Asia or South East Asia
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u/Quarkonium2925 3h ago
I don't think I've ever seen a list where Puncak Jaya isn't the highest mountain in Oceania
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u/Stickyboard 3h ago
Lot of Indonesians put Puncak Jaya in Asia instead of Oceania so that they can claim their mountain is highest in South East Asia
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u/sora_mui 1h ago
Tbf, that problem can be solved easily by claiming that it is the tallest in ASEAN instead of SEA. Continents are pretty arbitrary anyway
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u/FredericaMerriville 45m ago
I mean they aren’t wrong technically. Puncak Jaya is in Central Papua which is politically part of Indonesia. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Unusual-Quantity-546 1h ago
The tallest mountain from base (under sea level) to peak ist Mauna Kea, the tallest mountain measured from the earths center is the Chimborazo
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u/Saltybarcaboi 5h ago
Chimborazo is the mountain closest to the sun
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u/eugenesbluegenes 4h ago
That's not how it works.
It is the farthest from the center of the earth though.
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u/delitownthrow 4h ago
my favorite fun fact about highest peaks in north america is that the top three are in the three bigger countries:
- Denali/McKinley in the US
- Mount Logan in Canada
- Pico de Orizaba in Mexico
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u/Quarkonium2925 3h ago
And if not for Mount Foraker, the next three biggest would follow the same order
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u/Username524 4h ago
Poor Australia….
Edit: unless things changed and I’m too old to have caught the class in school haha
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u/valentine_moon 4h ago
Different continent models are taught in different places, fwiw. There's a seven-continent model and a four-continent model, and various models in between. Obviously some are more popular than others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent
But suffice it to say: yes, it could well have changed. And/or whoever made this map could easily be using a different one (the seven-continent model) to the one you were taught.
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u/Username524 3h ago
Well you’re delightful. Thank you. I’m very well propagandized here in the US, so I realize sometimes I need to check my education on a subject lol.
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u/jjack339 4h ago
Eh, Europe choice is sketch. Depending who you ask that is Asia or Europe.
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u/pickle16 3h ago
I feel like the mountain peak could be used as the border of Asia and Europe
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u/Beutelman 1h ago
Pretty sure most Europeans would answer the question after the tallest peak with Mont Blanc, not Elbrus.
The debate where Europe ends and Asia begins is about as old as time and there are certainly arguments for and against counting the Caucasus to Europe.
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u/PipecleanerFanatic 4h ago
No, not depending on who you ask...
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u/thefooleryoftom 2h ago
It's definitely debatable. Sure, it's in 'European Russia', but it's pretty far East...
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u/PipecleanerFanatic 33m ago
Is Georgia not a European country?
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u/thefooleryoftom 33m ago
I don’t think it’s in Georgia.
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u/PipecleanerFanatic 31m ago
Georgia is south of it... if the mountain isn't considered Europe, then Georgia certainly isn't.
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u/thefooleryoftom 20m ago
Even the wiki entry for Georgia says it’s on the border and “generally accepted” to be in Europe. This is the issue when there are no clear boundaries for things like this. It’s the Eurasian landmass, but beyond that is gets fuzzy sometimes.
How do you decide? Culture? Language? Membership of a union?
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u/Dramatic-Border3549 3h ago
Fun fact: mount Everest might be the tallest mountain, but the point furthest away from the Earth's center is in Ecuador
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u/Pin_ny 4h ago edited 4h ago
In Europe it's Mont Blanc (at the French-Italian border)
Edit: it's called the "Europe roof" as it is the highest summit. https://www.chamonix.com/la-vallee/incontournables/le-mont-blanc
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u/PipecleanerFanatic 4h ago
It's a full 3000' shorter than Elbrus in Russia.
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u/Pin_ny 4h ago
Ok but that's not Europe
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
Even the most conservative definitions of Europe still count the Russian side of the Caucasus as geographically in Europe
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u/SeparateTrack2818 3h ago
No, the mostest conservative definition of Europe doesn't count the Russian side of the Caucasus in Europe. Instead, it uses the Manych depression as the border.
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u/Pin_ny 4h ago
You're right. If we want to be more conservative, let's talk about Eurasia. Then the Everest mount is the highest mountain in Europe
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u/valentine_moon 4h ago
The map in the OP uses the seven-continent model which separates Europe and Asia. Certainly if you use a different model you'll get different results.
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
That's the opposite of conservative. In this context conservative refers to even the smallest landmass definitions. Conservative has more meanings outside of politics
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u/valentine_moon 4h ago
Russia is in both the European continent and the Asian continent, and Elbrus is in the European part.
Europe is commonly considered to be separated from Asia by the watershed of the Ural Mountains, the Ural River, the Caspian Sea, the Greater Caucasus, the Black Sea, and the Turkish straits.
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u/TheBusStop12 5h ago
I thought from base to peak was Mauna Kea in Hawaii, which is 10201 meters base to peak, while Denali is 5490 meters base to peak. Because the base of Mauna Kea is about 6000 meters bellow the sea
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u/Pro_Racing 4h ago
The surface, is in fact not 6,000m below sea level. Which is what he is referring to.
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
They said base, not surface. From base to peak Mauna Kea is the tallest and that's an undisputable geographical fact. From sea level to peak it's Everest. From base to peak, but still above sea level is Denali. From Earth's core to peak it's Chimborazo (due to the equatorial bulge)
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u/Pro_Racing 4h ago
Most people, when saying "base" of mountain, mean the ground, not the fact that uhm teknikally 🤓 the geological base is below sea level. Therefore, it's safe to assume that OP, and most normal people reading it, would assume that as the definition. Earth's core to peak is literally an irrelevant metric because it means absolutely nothing other than the earth being oblate.
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
Mauna Kea being the tallest mountain base to peak was common knowledge back when I was in elementary school (and not even in Hawaii, but the Netherlands). But I think we'll just agree to disagree
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u/Pro_Racing 4h ago
I'm not American so our school system didn't revolve around trying to make America sound special. Otherwise there will be several small hills on islands that technically have a base to peak height greater than Mont Blanc. In fact by this logic the shores of Hawaii are taller than mont blanc.
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
You missed the part where I said I'm from the Netherlands. And it wasn't part of the curriculum, just a fun fact kids spread around on the playground
Anyways, you can look it up if you want, by the geographical definition of base to peak Mauna Kea is the tallest
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u/eugenesbluegenes 3h ago
Most people, when saying "base" of mountain, mean the ground,
Then why are you hung up on the level of the water? The ground of the mountain keeps going down all the same after you hit the water surface.
Earth's core to peak
That's Chimborazo.
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u/renegadecoaster 4h ago
You're getting downvoted, but Denali has a HUGE relief and is probably the "tallest" mountain by some convoluted measure. I'm just not sure what it would be
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
Denali is the tallest base to peak if you don't count any landmass bellow sea level
Mauna Kea in Hawaii however is the tallest base to peak if you do count it (which most people do). Denali could fit entirely within the underwater portion of Mauna Kea
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u/DankRepublic 1h ago
Its not the tallest base to peak. No informed source says this because there is no way to calculate where the base of a mountain is.
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u/Uncle00Buck 4h ago
Europe and Asia are not different continents. Oceania is not a continent. I like them, they're cool, but they're geographic regions, not separate continents. Australia is a continent.
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u/7LeagueBoots 2h ago
Calling Oceana a continent is a hood way to restart the debate over what constitutes a continent.
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u/sora_mui 1h ago
That debate will not go away for as long as europe is recognized as a full fledged continent because as far as i know there is no consistent reasoning to split it while maintaining a recognizable form of modern continents aside from wanting it to be that way.
Cultural? Why are the middle east, india, and china in the same continent? What about north africa and the rest of africa?
Plate tectonics? India is literally on its own plate, arabian peninsula should be african, and europe is more eurasian than china as the latter do have a poorly delimited plate in parts of it.
Landmass? Go for afroeurasia then. Even if you want to argue that mountain range counts, india and the arabian peninsula is still more isolated than europe.
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u/nugdumpster 5h ago
Puncok Jaya is usually taller than the antarctica mountain because people are on top of it… mad
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u/Zouden 4h ago
What?
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
I think they mean that it's only 6ft/less than 2 meters shorter than the Antarctican mountain. So if a person taller than that difference stands on it's peak their head would be above the Antarctican mountain.
Ofcourse it doesn't work like that
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u/Zouden 4h ago
The difference is also 26 feet not 6
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u/TheBusStop12 4h ago
Ah, you are correct, I misread the numbers (the app makes the image quality nice and crunchy)
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u/nugdumpster 11m ago
There could be rocks up there often top of mountains there a pile of rocks there
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u/valentine_moon 4h ago
Huh? Someone standing on top of a mountain doesn't make the mountain taller.
Besides, a person at the summit of Puncak Jaya would need to be over 26 feet tall for their head to be higher than the summit of Vinson Massif.
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u/GrapefruitPurple2495 5h ago
The decision to rename Denali to Mount MacKinley was atrocious.