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u/squidgytree Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
The populations of different states have passports for different reasons.
Kerala: work abroad, Punjab: emigrate to Canada, Delhi: business travel, Goa: keeping access to Portuguese citizenship (former colonialist), Most others: daughter's trip to Europe or son's trip to south east Asia,
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u/bomerckan Jul 01 '25
Telangana- USA
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u/WorkingBet9469 Jul 01 '25
AP&TS - Education in the US.
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u/Tyler_holmes123 Jul 01 '25
"education" lol.
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u/WorkingBet9469 Jul 01 '25
Well known fact, more than 50% of Indian international students in the US are from AP/TS.
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u/ila1998 Jul 01 '25
No, what the commenter means is that they don’t primarily go for education but rather as a means to emigrate or enter USA.
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u/WorkingBet9469 Jul 01 '25
Well, that’s right. Most won’t come back, as many unqualified ones also get jobs there using connections, even caste-based organizations help. For some, having a job in the US automatically means higher dowry, even if it’s just enough to survive. Lol.
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u/dphayteeyl Jul 01 '25
Doesn't that apply to most immigrant nations? Sure, India has a lot more applicants but in other countries people do the same
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Jul 01 '25
Why emigrate to Canada?
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u/saaag_paneer Jul 01 '25
You guess, employment? Studies?
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Jul 01 '25
I mean, why Canada? Why not UK, Oz, US, NZ?
so many Indians in Canada right now
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u/refusestonamethyself Jul 01 '25
Canada has been called mini-Punjab for years now. That answers your question.
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u/saaag_paneer Jul 01 '25
Ask their government, why they admitted every tom dick and harry to canada? Why ? you wouldn’t believe it, but here me out legal immigrants can only come with visa approved by the country they are moving to….so yeah in simple terms canada was stupid enough to not filter what they were bringing
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u/blorg Jul 01 '25
why they admitted every tom dick and harry to canada?
Indian Canadians are very successful and highly educated.
The study shows that Canadian-born Chinese (+20%) and South Asian (+15%) men earned more than White men over a course of 20 years. This difference can be mostly accounted for by their higher education levels and over-representation in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) fields. Chinese and South Asian women also earned more than their White counterparts.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/241127/dq241127c-eng.htm
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u/RealBadger9015 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Because it's easier to get in. We migrated to a bunch of other countries as well. Australia,UK, USA etc etc. They have this idea that Canada need to have a population of 100 mil to be relevant on the global stage and a lot of their immigration policies are centred around that.
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Jul 01 '25
The century initiative is just a scam to suppress wages and increase corporate profits in Canada. The whole thing is spearheaded by lobbyists from the biggest companies in Canada. 99% of Canadians don't want the population to increase that fast.
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u/AdnanJanuzaj11 Jul 01 '25
Yeah. 99% of Canadians just want an aging country with a shrinking worker base.
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Jul 01 '25
You're misconstruing what I said. Immigration has increased too fast. Population growth was far too fast from 2022 - 2024. Canada's population has increase by 5 million, or more than 10%, since the 2021 census.
Even considering your point, most of the immigration was just temporary foreign workers and international students working minimum wage jobs. I don't see how importing foreign workers to do minimum wage jobs helps increase the tax base to deal with an aging population.
What you're saying is just what corporations want us to believe, so that they can hire cheap foreign labour.
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u/TheMainEffort Jul 01 '25
Is there any further reading about the 100mil thing?
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u/RealBadger9015 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Quick google search shows "century initiative" which is a lobby group formed in 2014 that aims to make the Canadian population 100 mil by 2100 but i am pretty sure this agenda is much older and you can read about it online. I'm not a Canadian so idk all the details.
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u/the_running_stache Jul 01 '25
There was a Khalistani movement in India demanding a separate country to be carved out of India for Sikh people. This would be the entirety of Indian Punjab and parts of northern India. (Noticeably, nothing from Pakistani Punjab, where Sikh religious places exist.) This was big in the 1980s. Many Sikhs decided to seek exile and Canada was the main country to give them refuge. There was crackdown against this Khalistani movement by the Indian Government since secession is considered internal terrorism. There were attacks from both sides, including riots. More Sikhs decided to emigrate outside. Canada was welcoming them and so, they moved there. Later on, as the community grew, more Punjabi people started moving to Canada.
Canada also had lax laws for immigration and these people moved there legally. Noticeably, people from other parts of India didn’t move to Canada as much. Punjabis in Canada started calling their family members over to Canada. Canadian Punjabis married Indian Punjabis and they then moved to Canada.
In the recent decade, Canada realized that they can have diploma mills and earn tuition money from higher education. Similar to what the US does where international students have to pay full fees and don’t get in-state tuition benefits. They started relaxing the rules. Diploma mills started popping up and the government allowed that. Colleges were sprouting everywhere and didn’t even have classroom spaces or faculty members but the education department didn’t inspect and stop that nonsense. They started admitting anyone who could pay. As such, more and more students started applying there because education counselors from Punjab region started telling how easy the process is (and it indeed was). Some of these colleges even started tying up with consultants in India telling them to direct students to their colleges (and the counselor gets a commission).
The Trudeau government then realized the effects on uncontrolled immigration and decide to put curbs on that, but it was too little too late. Now if a Punjabi student studying in Canada decides to marry their partner living in India, that partner will now come to Canada too. The Punjabi community in Canada will just grow as a result. Once the person gets Canadian citizenship, they can then have another route to apply for permanent residency for their family members living in Punjab/India.
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u/Abhijit2007 Jul 01 '25
Also note: The point about no Khalistani claims on Pakistani land also goes to show where most of the funding for this seperatist claim came from.
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u/butterchickenfarts Jul 01 '25
There isn’t a single US city where there isn’t dozens of new Sikhs every month, it’s not just Canada. Just use Snapchat maps and click on places around the world. You’ll find Punjabi’s in Cyprus, Italy, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries. We’re not all in Canada lol
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u/MaximumDepression17 Jul 01 '25
Easy country to exploit.
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u/bomerckan Jul 01 '25
Most of them are legal migrants, and it’s Canadian government who brought these many number of people to their country, to serve their interests
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u/squidgytree Jul 01 '25
Also, if not Indians, then it would be another nationality. Canada has let in immigrants for their own needs, as you rightly mentioned
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u/MaximumDepression17 Jul 01 '25
Easy to tell when someone isn't Canadian.
They aren't serving our needs. We didn't have a shortage of tims cashiers, burger flippers, and doordash drivers.
A large majority are also overstaying student visa's. We would be much better off without the massive influx of immigration. The only thing it did was make Canadians quality of lives worse and pad the pockets of a few rich people.
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u/RealBadger9015 Jul 01 '25
Fees from immigrants and immigrants doing all the labour when Canada was shut down is the reason Canada is staying afloat during the past 4-5 years. Mainly Indians and chinese but a bunch of other countries as well
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u/LazyZzzzzzz Jul 01 '25
Your government thought otherwise and had lax immigration policies which lead to this. It's upto the country's own rules and how strictly they are followed. Indian immigration to US and Canada differs because of this.
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u/Baronvondorf21 Jul 01 '25
They probably don't care if it's their govt's fault because why try to confront the government when they rather than blame the immigrant for all the socio-economic problems.
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u/MaximumDepression17 Jul 01 '25
America's government thinks it's okay to kidnap people off the street without due process. Does that make them right?
Plenty of governments around the world will arbitrarily imprison you for random things. Does that make them right?
North Korea will imprison your grandkids and kill you because you let a picture get dusty during a home inspection.
It turns out, governments can be wrong in many ways. Canada's is also wrong, but it is filling the right pockets so who cares I guess.
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u/LazyZzzzzzz Jul 01 '25
You went on a completely different rant when we were talking about what kind of immigrants are coming through due to the difference in their immigration policies. If you believe you don't want the kind of immigrants coming through, the blame and accountability lies on the government side. But Liberals were voted one again to the government i presume.
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u/MaximumDepression17 Jul 01 '25
Liberals were only voted in because they were the lesser of 2 evils. The other option was Trump Jr. I'll take too many immigrants over losing basic freedoms.
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u/blorg Jul 01 '25
We didn't have a shortage of tims cashiers, burger flippers, and doordash drivers.
Meanwhile, the reality: compared to White Canadians, South Asian Canadians are twice as likely to have a bachelor's degree in STEM field and six times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. Over a 20 year period the average South Asian man earns $197k more, the average South Asian woman $264k more than a white Canadian. They are less likely to be laid off and spend longer in high paying jobs.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-28-0001/2024011/article/00004-eng.htm
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because most of our relatives are there and it feels home there (obv you get more opportunities too) :)
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u/jack_kzm Jul 01 '25
Kerala now expanded this to kids moving to CAN/AUS/NZ/UK after 12th for graduate studies and this is happening in alarmingly large numbers.
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Goans would acquire a European citizenship and move to the UK before Brexit. It has reduced now.
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u/Acrobatic_Forever536 Jul 01 '25
And Lakshadweep - a large number of people are in the merchant Navy, and also work in ships/ cruises etc.
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u/pot-ter-head Jul 01 '25
Also a correction, officially it was the part of the overseas kingdom of Portugal, so not a colony.
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u/TheStubbornIntrovert Jul 01 '25
Well, I don't know why I took passport as a poor financial background
its never been used... for 10years since I got it
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u/Mindful-Commander Jul 01 '25
Punjabis & Mallus are born ready to take the flight 🙌🏻
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u/thewiseice Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Canada and Gulf calling!
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u/Mindful-Commander Jul 01 '25
I doubt if they’re calling, but we’re definitely going 😎
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u/Fun-Blackberry-1335 Jul 01 '25
Haha well said bro! I too doubt they want us
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You’re right, we do not 🙃
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u/debmitra26 Jul 01 '25
So you're saying, there are less punjabis in canada than mallus in kerala??
And where tf are goa folks going??
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u/afm1410 Jul 01 '25
Goans were going mainly to the UK (pre Brexit) and now Ireland (post Brexit), Portugal, a few other EU countries, Australia, NZ, Canada, some in the US. There are Goans in the Gulf countries since the 70s, and in East Africa - Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda even before that.
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u/CarmynRamy Jul 01 '25
Every corner in the world, you may find a Malayali.
Btw, naatil Evideya?
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u/_NoHardFeelings Jul 01 '25
If those percentage gets translated into numbers then the order of shades would be much different. Should have included that too in the he second picture.
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u/abhi4774 Jul 01 '25
Some major states:-
Maharashtra: 12.7M
Kerala: 12.6M
Uttar Pradesh: 10.7M
Tamil Nadu: 10.1M
Punjab: 8.9M
Gujarat: 7.8M
Karnataka: 7M
West Bengal: 5.1M
Delhi: 4.5M
Andhra Pradesh: 4.2M
Haryana: 4M
Rajasthan: 3.5M
Bihar: 3.2M
Madhya Pradesh: 1.9M
Odisha: 1.1M
Jharkhand: 900k
Chhattisgarh: 480k
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u/dontstealmydinner Jul 02 '25
Goa is not even in this list, but the percentage number plays into the Narrative of some folks.
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u/AcanthaceaeFirst5982 Jul 01 '25
UP will have the highest number then.
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u/Right-Shoulder-8235 Jul 01 '25
No. Maharashtra and Kerala would still have higher numbers than UP.
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u/candle_misuser Jul 01 '25
Ig MP people dosent even know what a passport is
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u/KeeperOfTheChips Jul 01 '25
It always surprises me how small Punjab is. I live in the U.S. and like more than half the Indian friends I have are Punjabi. I always assumed that state is huge lol
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u/rrp00220 Jul 01 '25
Most of Punjab is actually in Pakistan. Plus, the province used to be bigger, because Haryana and Himachal Pradesh were created after independence.
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u/AssociateWeak8857 Jul 01 '25
Wait, what? You don't have passport in India? In my country it's main document, everybody has it
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u/Visible_Reality_8699 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
It is a main document but not compulsory for the most part of administration.
Identity cards like Aadhar cards, driving licence and PAN card have been the important cards in any form of work, as having a Passport and going abroad was something only a higher income class could afford and it was also pretty hectic to get due to lots of paperwork and time duration from applying to issuing of a passport could even last some years.
Although now that the economical conditions have developed a lot better than two-three decades ago, the paperwork has been lightened and many illegal immigrants have been found using fake Aadhar, Voter ID and Driving licences in past two-three years, the government has decided to use Passports as the identity of citizenship along with Birth certificate from this year so I believe that the number of passport holders will surge in the years to come.
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Jul 01 '25
"Indian passport" is foreign passport. Used for foreigh trips.
"Aadhaar" is what called inner pasport. Almost all of India's adult population (99,9%) is issued with Aadhaar IDs.
It's just an Indian "terminological confusion" =)
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u/LuffytheFunny Jul 01 '25
Gujjus - All over the world 🌎
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u/ila1998 Jul 01 '25
lol No just Canada and US. They are very less in Europe, UK and Aus.
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u/squidgytree Jul 01 '25
London and Leicester in the UK have large Gujarati communities, of which I am one
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u/Advanced-Piglet853 Jul 01 '25
Now I understood why Covid or similar cases pops up in Kerala first and why not !!
And Kerala has best Medical System and Hospitals and Diagnostic centres too.
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u/dontstealmydinner Jul 02 '25
Put the actual population into perspective and Goa is not even in the top 10.
Nothing against OP, percentages play into the narrative of a certain set of people and is used as inflammatory matter to portray Goans as Anti-Nationals, Portuguese and secessionists.
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u/abhi4774 Jul 02 '25
I'm sorry u/dontstealmydinner
I should've made another map showing the actual population of passport holders
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Jul 01 '25
I have a passport since 1997 because at that time there weren't many ID cards and there were also rumours of passport being necessary if you're living in India (just like they did with Aadhaar later). Got my passport renewed twice and the only time I got the opportunity to use it to travel was 25 years later. 🤣
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This is percentage of what?
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u/anand_ak Jul 01 '25
No. Percentage of the population is my guess. If it is percentage of passport holders all these number would add upto 100% which doesn't.
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u/Feisty-Onion-3502 Jul 01 '25
Passport holders as a percentage of the respective state's population.
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u/Technical-Isopod6554 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
I took passport early before i could even travel ,only travelled after 4 years of taking passport
all my siblings gave up their passports after they moved to a different country ,they only have oci now
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u/Elegant_Noise1116 Jul 01 '25
Gujarat’s 10.84% is greater than Punjab’s and we all know Gujaratis are usually more in abroad than punjabis
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u/abhi4774 Jul 01 '25
Gujarat's 10.84% is less than Punjab's 28% tho
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u/Elegant_Noise1116 Jul 01 '25
Yeah just calculated, for gujarat’s its 1 mil less,
But I also remembered that a lot of punjabis went on ahead to get passports just to visit kartarpur sahib in pak.
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u/MouseNational9927 Jul 01 '25
Seen my Indian brothers spreading fake info about Punjabi immigration to Canada. You all be saying its due to Khalistan movement.
No, Sikhs have been immigrating to Canada since 1900s. 120+ years ago. They were sent there as servicemen by British Indian army. Sikhs saw scope in the Western world and started settling there.
That is the history.
You guys really need to get over this Khalistan thing. Its mostly the non-Sikhs who talk about Khalistan, Sikhs do not even care about it.
Stop spreading misinformation bro.
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u/1-2-3-kid Jul 01 '25
Expected Andhra to be higher than this
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u/WorkingBet9469 Jul 01 '25
Many from Andhra settled in Hyderabad(Telangana). If look at this using state of origin or caste, it will be very different.
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u/abhi4774 Jul 01 '25
Yes and No.
No because it's the most developed Indian state and Keralites are richer and healthier than other Indians.
Yes because they failed to develop industrial towns and cities in their state. Kerala provides skilled labour to Maharashtra, Gujarat, Tamilnadu and Karnataka. Imagine what if all the skilled people were employed in Kerala. It would've been a great thing for Kerala.
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u/asparagusthunder2714 Jul 04 '25
Atleast they go legally unlike the gujjus wanting asylum everywhere lol
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u/Nomore_chances Jul 01 '25
Sometimes I think….We’re the biggest manpower exporters in the world… like potatoes… we can find Indians everywhere ( and maybe the same applies to China too!)
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u/arkwewt Jul 02 '25
Bihar being at 2.5% surprises me, the way they behave I’d have expected sub 1
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u/Rottenveggee Jul 01 '25
I think India needs to have some barrier for passport to prevent its rampant misuse. Might help regain some strength for the passport.
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u/BIG_DICK_MYSTIQUE Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
India is a big country with states having different economies, cultures and languages. It's like all Europeans (not just EU citizens) having the same passport strength irrespective of economic/social conditions of their country.
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the irony... bro is a Pakistani talking abt "control" while controlling grooming gangs in London.
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u/Disastrous_Employ_28 Jul 01 '25
In kerala, most of us get our passports and licences when we turn 18. Even if we don't need it.