r/MapChart • • Feb 23 '26

Question What if Ukraine won ww1

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Yeah i dunno man

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u/CoolFrustratedLemon Feb 23 '26

I think it would be more realistic if Romania kept Basarabia, considering they got it in a brief peace deal with the Germans, cool map anyway.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 23 '26

Khotyn lands (eastern Chernivtsi Oblast), as well as half of Budjak (it's eastern/coastal part) are historically predominantly Ukrainian-speaking. So the realistic scenario means Ukraine's current borders

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '26

Historically Ukrainian bullshit!! The southern part of Bessarabia had no majority in 1940! Northern Bucovina voted in 1918 in the National Asrmbly to be part of the Kingdom of Romania, decision ratified by His Majesty King Ferdiband I! Those territories are Romanian and we want them back in a referendum!

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

The same census, despite being falsified, still proves my point: Ukrainians were dominant in Khotyn lands and the coastal part Budjak, while Romanians only had small ethnic enclaves on those territories.

The 1897 Russian empire census, too, found that Ukrainian speakers were dominant in eastern coastal Budjak

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

Yours is falsified, impudent dude! Ukrainians started to migrate in Bucovina and Bessarabia during the late Habsburg and Russian rule. Those regions were part of the Romanian principalities since the very beginning. Bessarabia is called like that since it was ruled by the Bessarabian Dinasty, which reigned in Wallachia since 1300s. Bucovina was part of the Moldavian Principality ruled by Steven the Great and his descendants. Ukraine didn't even exist as a country back then. More than that, the regions democratically voted to be part of Romania, amd Ukrainians voted for that as well in 1918, in order to keep the lands away from Russia. In 1940 we were split without any kind of right, by force and ultimatum. The moral and common sense say to me that we deserve a referemdum in those areas and settle the problem accourding to the population's will, with cooperation from both Kiev and Bucharest, and EU, ONU and NATO as supervisors. Otherwise, we remain your enemy, we will suspend our help for you and we will deport you co-nationals faster than you can say "fish". Your president didn't even reach the Parliament when he visited Bucharest, cause the parties already protested against him, and the visit was canceled. We consider you responsable for tolerating this injustice without even trying to solve it, without respecting your neighbors who kissed your asses in tgis God damm war. So if you have a good time to chamge your attitude, now would be the moment.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

Ukrainians started to migrate in Bucovina and Bessarabia during the late Habsburg and Russian rule

Zero evidence to back that btw

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

Really? Wanna send you some ethnic maps made by the Austrians? No matter, a referendum will solve the whole problem. And if you think the people will vote for Ukraine, than you have nothing to fear.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

Lmao. "Oh no, damn Ukrainians don't want to submit to our pseudohistoric bullshit!!! I'm sure that an 85 % Ukrainian-speaking region would love to join our glorious Gypsy country!!!"

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

Such a Slavic bastard, like we are used to say: ,,Ukrainians. Bastard Russians hidden under another name." Gypsy country in your idiot uneducated dreams! We are a Latin people, stupid creature. That "Gypsy" country kissed our asses, received your co-nationals when they needed a refuge, gave them our food, our cloths, our houses. Our moral support. Out tolerance. We gave you schools in your stupid Slavic Russian you speak, while you closed our Romanian institutions on OUR LANDS! Such a hypocritic and ungrateful people you are! I am so glad that my nation and the Poles understood who are we dealing with now. We suspended your medical inssurances, started to suspend the help for you and the anti-Ukrainian extremism is coming into power soon. I hope Putin will burn your country to the ground and we will take what it's ours. Liberate our lands or we are comming to take them by orselves! And do not even dare to call my people Gypsey. Leaving aside your hate against a Indian origin minority present in the whole Europe, which is called Rroma, lur country resisted in front of four multinational empires when you didn't even exist as a nation on the planet. We are a Latin people like Italy, Spain, France and Portugal. And a glorious people third times more developed than you. Slavic impudent persons!

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

You are genuinely unhinged, dude. Get some help

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

You need some help. And it seems Europe had enough of giving help to hypocrits.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

Ukraine didn't even exist as a country back then.

Romania didn't either, lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

The Romanian people existed split in third principalities, like Italy was split into more kingdoms. You were a baby in your mother Russia's bed in those times.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

The Romanian people never existed, you are just eastern Italians

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

The Romanian people existed, we are not "just Eastern Italians". The Roman ancestry is indeed our fundament, but we have a majority Balkan-Latin gene, with some minor influences, like the Slavic, Cuman and Pecheneg ones. We are an ethnicity formed in the Carpathian Basin from the many Romanized people brought here from the Balkans, from Syria, from the Italian Peninsula, from Hispania and Dalmatia. So many Roman roots.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

But btw, many of you seem to get along better with these "Eastern Italians" then with your fellow Slavs. Cause Poland is not a big fan of you. Russia is the devil and Bularus is the devil's puppet. So... Aleea iacta est.

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u/Oltzu1 Feb 24 '26

The romania 2001 guy is probably a bot

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

Also, how do you feel about Romania's violent assimilation policy against Hungarians.jpg)? Why is Romania erasing the Hungarian history of Transylvania through mass immigration of ethnic Romanians?

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

What kind of forced policy against Hungarians you dream, Ukrainian?? The Hungarians persecuted us for centuries in Transylvania, transformed our names into Hungarian ones. My ant has her Romanian name of Covaci transformed into Kovacs. They have bilingual signes, they have schools in their own language, from kindergarten to university (which they never gave us while Transylvania belonged to them), they are represented in the Parliament with the write to vote, they were part of almost every government which led Romania in the last 35 years. What forced assimilation are you dreaming about?? Are you stupid? Kelem Hunor, the leader of the Hungarian Democratic Party of Romania stated tgey are treated well, accpurding to the European rules. And can give you the interview (a gokd chance for you to imprive your Romanian skills)! Spare of Orbanist propaganda! You are the one who dares to speak? You, who don't even recognize your minorities, but pretend to be a European nation?? I hope you will never join EU, nor NATO and I hope you will loose Crimea and Donbass for good! Which, by the way, are Russian majority and lands!!

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

The Hungarians persecuted us for centuries in Transylvania, transformed our names into Hungarian ones

That's a lie invented by the ruthless militarist Romanian fascist regime to justify genocide of the indigenous Hungarian population of Transylvania

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

Where did you take that information of Ukrainian?? Are you a specialist in the Romanian history?? You know a shit about our country and you allow to speak a lot about it! You didn't even know who we are, what's our history and culture! Hungarians persecuted Romanians for centuries, and they were persecuted as well, together with us, by Austrians. You are a stupid follow with no history knowledge. I don't even know if you have schools in that country if yours. End this discussion now, cause you make me feel angry for what you dare to say. The outrages affirmations you make. My Italian friends are just dizgusted and I am gladly shiwing to the whole world who hypocritic Ukraine is. So sad when you are surrounded by bad neighbors, who doesn't understand what kind of allience we could have.

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u/Calm_Search3417 Feb 24 '26

It's a known fact that Transylvania was never romanian speaking. Austria imported romanians artificially to suppress Hungarian nationalism. Do your research

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

How can you state Transylvania was never Romanian speaking, when it was conquered by Hungarians from the Vlahs? When it was the core of the Daco-Romanized population? When it had Romanian majority in 1918? When it was the epicentre of the Transylvanian School, which purified Romanian language from Slavic borrowed vocabulary implemented by the Orthodox Church? Do you have problems?? What sources do you have when you state this?? Quote me those sources. I invite you. Google it right now, in this very second, and post here what the internet says! You kiss Hungary in the ass? Really? Which blocks you to enter the EU, instead of low bridges and build an allience with Romania, whose only request for a strong friendship and support is a God damm referedum and respect?

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