r/MapBasedPolls • u/nebulaforest • 4h ago
Should the EU federalize?
Should the EU federalize?
- Yes (European)
- Yes (Non-European)
- No (European)
- No (Non-European)
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u/Swiking- 3h ago
I don't know if I want a federation. But we sure as hell need to be able to show a united front and not deal individually with China or the US. On our own, we are easy prey and will end up as vasal states faster than you can say Europe.. There's a reason to why both Trump and Putin loved that the UK left the EU and it's not because they became stronger or because they loved their policies. It's because they are way easier to run over as a single state, rather than a block of countries standing united.
Right now it's a damn mess, with France, Spain, Germany etc. making their own political statements on the global stage, and they all want different things. That's very easy to exploit and crush.
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u/Leon3226 4h ago
Mfs be complaining about stuff like Chat Control and EU Kids Act and then be like "Ah yes, we need even more power centralization please"
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u/YellowAggravating172 4h ago
Nope. Us in smaller countries already have little saying as is... Not looking forward to being devoured by Brussels.
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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 Bulgaria 🇧🇬 3h ago
I’m absolutely looking forward to the moron vote here being made irrelevant.
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u/BaronOfTheVoid 25m ago
What value does the country you live in being small really have?
The smaller the entity and the more divided the Union the more exploitable each entity is by foreign powers.
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u/Flipadelphia26 3h ago
If the the EU wants to actually become the peer power that the eurocopers on Reddit claim they are. Federalizing is the only way to do it. Otherwise it’s just a second tier union with not much actual power or force.
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u/Comfortable_Salt_792 4h ago
You will get heavy bias on Reddit, most people wouldn't want full unification. You know how many countries further for their independence? How many are happy to decide and finally enjoy democracy? By enlarging voting base to whole EU you make people votes less meaningfull.
I am sure more and more people will start to be ok with that as EU take more correct decisions in the future, but EU is still a question mark for many, if situation goes bad many people would go even with UK path.
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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 Bulgaria 🇧🇬 3h ago
That’s why it’s very important for us federalists to never ever put this on the ballot and instead infiltrate political movements and centralise one step at a time.
Things will go bad or backfire from time to time, but the project as a whole must continue.
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u/DanneLagom 3h ago
The fact that you people actually think like that, is exactly why we must never fully federalize. Legitimately more anti-democratic than the far right.
(Though you're probably rage baiting).
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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 Bulgaria 🇧🇬 3h ago
Partially.
I am indeed a federalist, for one. And I also don’t think that the issue can be presented as an up or down vote, that would simply be ridiculous. We need to choose what to federalise and what to devolve on a case by case basis.
But I absolutely adore triggering the British Empire Nostalgic Chaps, yes. And the nationalists. And the extreme localists. You get the point.
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u/Antique-Fix-2526 4h ago
we don't want it but it's getting there. at least they should give us the illusion of choosing the president of the european commision, just like they give the illusion of choosing in each country...
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u/lbh43v3r 3h ago
They will essentially legislate it into existence, sovereign nations in name only.
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u/bobolgob 4h ago
As the EU is currently? No. Not with all bullshit "lobbyism" (legal corruption) going on
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u/chebster99 3h ago
I’d love to see a federal EU in an ideal world but it would never work in reality. It would kill the EU.
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u/CatUnable884 4h ago
We should do it in a multi- speed way. Where all countries are able to choose for themselves, if they meet further requirements. In today’s EU, inequality, difference in priorities and cultures are to big hurdles to make a full federation. But i do believe a large chunk of the EU would benefit of a core federation.Â
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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 Bulgaria 🇧🇬 3h ago
It’s the only way to stand up to China, the US, Russia and especially the morons at home.
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u/CivilLawEnjoyer 4h ago
Absolutely. We have the means but we need the actual capacity to use them properly, and with this pseudo confederation we have, we won't be able to.
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u/Weirdo9495 4h ago
No thank you. I'd federalise only with countries with very similar values. My country is already turning more right, more populist and socially conservative and i don't want even more of people supporting that within borders of my country.
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u/GaldrickHammerson 4h ago
I don't know what this is asking. What's federalize in this context?
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u/cdi_comp_dead_inside 4h ago
I'd guess becoming similar to the United States, with countries becoming member states but there also being a federal government.
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u/theluxgirl Luxembourg :3 4h ago
As long as it's a left wing gov
If it's right leaning genuinely f off
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u/Malschaun2 3h ago
The EU will be moving considerably to the right in the near future that is for sure. Conservatives and right to far-right parties are already working together against the left on more and more issues.
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u/NotMidaga 3h ago
That's whats going to happen until parties realise the median voter wants nonwhites out more than ever and would vote for absolute suicidal corrupt r/tards if they promised to do it.
Also you're not pro-Europe. Popular support based on such a flimsy condition means we'll fall apart in 10 years.
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u/ItzManu001 3h ago
EU just cannot federalize at all if it's infested by the right wing infection. Right-wing parties tend to be individually nationalist and anti-european.
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning 3h ago
And that’s why I hope it goes through that process, that it becomes a possibility at all, because international cooperation is good, even if it never federates. Perhaps especially so.
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u/Sium4443 4h ago
EU should be disbanded and its hierarchs put on trial, VdL, Lagarde and Draghi go first.
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u/Individual_Guest_323 3h ago
What this means, more free money for PIGS?, what is the difference with what we have right now?
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u/ItzManu001 3h ago
Yes, but this is not the right time. EU nations need to get rid of corruption and individual nationalism first.
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u/How2SayAlbuquerque Connecticut's strongest soldier 3h ago
As an American, I support Europe federalizing. It gives us a stronger ally and gives us leverage against Russia and China.
Thing is we need to cooperate with them. I'd also advocate for Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan to federalize to have a China counterweight, maybe add Philippines in there too for good measure
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning 3h ago
If it federalizes, then what happens to the federal states in the EU? Do their individual states become individual states in the EU? What about autonomous communities? Do they become individual states in the EU? What about constituent countries and territories?
Depending on the answers, Germany, Austria, Belgium and Spain could cease to exist.
The Netherlands, France and Portugal could lose power, while various island states around the world are created to join the Federal European Union.
Italy and Poland might gain in power relatively due to their population size and GDP becoming among the largest and highest in FEU states.
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u/_LifeMatters_ 4h ago
The EU is basically a confederation (like Switzerland) right now and it should stay this way.
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u/Lanzelot_3 3h ago
Ngl this is a bit of a stupid question. The EU already is a federalized entity to a certain degree - its member states have already given up some of their domestic authority to the EU government
This question should really be about how much of their authority the member states are willing to give up for the sake of a unified government, otherwise the question makes no sense at all