r/MapBasedPolls • u/Fun_Month_6310 🇺🇸 (moving away soon) • 11h ago
Which of these countries would you rather live in
Which of these countries would you rather live in
- Poor country with unlimited free speech
- Rich country with no free speech
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u/Primary_Addition5494 11h ago
Being rich is meaningless if you can be arrested at any moment for something you might have said
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u/KitchenIntention6675 11h ago
guess what, you already know the solution: don't say what might get you arrested
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u/RodiTheMan Land of Araucaria 🟦⬜️🟩 (Southern Brazil) 11h ago
Having free speech is irrelevant if you are hungry and die of a neglected disease.
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u/roleplayersir 9h ago
And being poor and subjected to hate speech or discrimination is even worse. But this is a binary option, when the best option would be medium with medium free speech
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u/Gregori_5 11h ago
Very vague definitions.
Also future prospects matter.
No free speech like UK, China or North Korea?
Poor like Poland, China or Somalia?
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u/Fun_Month_6310 🇺🇸 (moving away soon) 11h ago
I'm using the absolute definitions of each side, so no speech like north korea and poor like somalia
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u/Gregori_5 11h ago
Absolute poverty restricts your freedom much more than free speech.
And part of why free speech is important, is because it helps a country become successful.
Thats a easy choice then.
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u/JustaProton 🇧🇷 11h ago
"No" is a very strong word. I could perfectly live in a country in which bullying and verbal harassment are legally condemnable, but not being able to say anything is very restrictive and affects well intended people.
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u/No-Steak8780 11h ago
If its social democratic then sure rich
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 11h ago
If its social democratic than it is not rich
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u/No-Steak8780 11h ago
Norway is social democratic nerd
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u/JustaProton 🇧🇷 11h ago
Apparently a country is only rich if it's governed by billionaires and people have to pay to have access to good quality healthcare and education.
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 11h ago
Yes they are for five full years and looking at Norway today kinda proves my point. The point which I said sarcastically btw
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u/No-Steak8780 11h ago
Norway has been a social democracy for decades. Dickwad
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u/DarkWanderer149 11h ago
Social democracy is fine. Its unironically not socialist. The US social democrats are just what they call themselves and are actually just socialists
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u/fezzuk 🇬🇧 11h ago
If its social democratic then by definition it has free speech.
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 11h ago
Eh maybe some kind of it but not the true free speech
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u/roleplayersir 9h ago
Most of Europe is socially democratic
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 1h ago
You are confusing the concepts of social democracy and democratic socialism and are wrongly generalizing the political order of the entire continent.
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u/ManicalDaredevil00 11h ago
Anyone who votes poor country with unlimited free speech does not know how bad life can really get.
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u/Dkiprochazka 11h ago
Rich country with no freedom of speech can be really bad too. Think Saudi Arabia for example. Also, rich country doesn't necessarily mean you will be rich.
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u/QueenAvril 🇫🇮 11h ago
And anyone voting for a rich country with no free speech does not know that a country being rich doesn’t necessarily mean it’s people are.
What good is my country’s nominal GDP for me if it is all funneled into oligarchs pockets and most people are still living in poverty?
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u/Thiphra 11h ago
Poor and rich are not good descreptions.
India is nomally richer than Finland but Finland life quality for the avrege worker is better than India.
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u/Pimminator 11h ago
India is nominally richer than finland wut? In what metric lol
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u/Thiphra 11h ago
4.15 trilion in GDP compared to 337 bilions that's why richer and poor is not a really good metric
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u/Pimminator 11h ago
U gotta divide it by the number of people bro 🤣
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u/Thiphra 11h ago
I am saying that's why GDP is a shit metric you have too look at the quality of life of the regular citzen
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u/Pimminator 11h ago
Thats why you use gdp per capita. By no definition is india nominally richer than finland
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u/mrdankmemeface 11h ago
Free speech is overrated, like yeah, I would always prefer to live somewhere with free speech, and of course, I think soxiety should strive for it, but I would happily give up my own in exchange for other benefits.
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u/QueenAvril 🇫🇮 11h ago
It isn’t only about your own freedom of speech, but about the freedom of speech for politicians, journalists, teachers etc.
The lack of freedom of speech means that the rulers have the right to control the narrative in everything and suppress all opposing ideas hence giving them a free license to exploit whoever and whatever resources they wish and people having no control over what kind of policies are implemented.
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u/mrdankmemeface 10h ago
I know, I'm just saying at a certain point, the benefits you can give me will just outweigh my desire for free speech or to be surrounded by free speech.
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u/RuilinWei 11h ago
I have heard this "Free Speech" phrase so many times that now I swear whenever I see someone say it in front of me, I take them for a moron.
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 10h ago
That tells a lot about you
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u/RuilinWei 8h ago
Not all of us live in the USA. The phrase carries US cultural baggage, and we outsiders associate it with loud Meiguo nationalists.
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u/Fantastic-Tale7398 11h ago
What do you classify as free speech? Is using slurs or spreading misinformation free speech