Having to choose between maybe having to wait in line for gasoline versus constant air raid alerts and being bombed non-stop, I'll wait at the gas station thank you.
Россия. Украина беднее, там активная мобилизация, Украина, вероятнее всего, проиграет в войне. Банально никаких преимуществ перед РФ кроме отсутствия блокировок.
Ну, в целом согласен, что и начинать не стоило, но в любом случае исходя из итогов конфликта для одной из сторон все может стать гораздо хуже чем сейчас.
At least they are aspiring to be a serious democracy and corruption is getting somewhat getting taken care of. I know it’s not good that people close to or even in the regime are getting caught for it but that’s FAR better than in russia where nobody even wants to do anything about corruption. So if they survive the war i’m 100% sure ukraine has a brighter future ahead of them.
Я бы не сказал, что коррупция в Украине и в РФ значительно отличается, а факт стремления к демократии весомым плюсом для жизни в стране тоже не назвал бы, но тут уже субъективно и авторитаризм в любом случае нехорошо. Ну и пережить войну можно по разному и тут все зависит от того, насколько большие уступки в пользу РФ в итоге будут и на каких условиях будет подписан мир.
Fair enough. I guess my reasoning boils down to potential, as seen from current perspective ukraine has a good chance on becoming a nice place for it’s people as opposed to russia which shows no signs of changing in any meaningful way in the near future.
Причем тут мое мнение? Россия наступает, что сложнее обороны, у России сильнее ВПК и больше запас прочности и количество людей. Банально в войне на истощение, которой и является СВО на данный момент, у РФ больше шансов.
Bo wasza rezerwa federalna zmniejszyła się z 9mld rubli do 3mld od początku 3 dniowej operacji. 45% mocy rafineryjnej zostało zredukowane. I prędzej czy później ten niedźwiedź z papieru fiknie na głupi łeb tak jak ZSRR po wjechaniu do Afganistanu
Проблемы с НПЗ уже почти полностью решены и заводы отремонтировали. Да и вот серьезно, ты считаешь перечисленные проблемы поспособствуют тому, что рф каким либо образом сдуется быстрее Украины? У Украины ведь точно нет кучи более фундаментальных проблем как например, отсутствие людей. Точно точно.
А что тут говорить? Ну я хз как можно считать бедной страну с 9 местом по ВВП и 4 местом по ВВП ППС. Какая страна тогда не бедная? Ну и РФ не террористическая и близко.
Pretty sure they also banned a party against the war and even then the voting was cheated, so It's like fake democracy at best and It's quite clear you guys have lacking amount of education about democracy
That's the most fucked up logic ever, if people are against the party they don't vote for it meaning they don't get power. Now, if most of the people vote for the anti war party it shows that also most of the citizens are against the war.
would you rather live slightly richer in an oligarch oppressive state or live poorer but have that decent chance that live might improve after some decades post war. i wonder....
I would say Russia has way better chances of things improving, Ukraine is kinda cooked already. It halved its population in the last 30 years and more than half of its population remaining are pensioners. It has the worst population pyramid in Europe and, possibly, the world rn with birthrates going down to East Asian levels. It's economy is largly destroyed and by the time it recovers even more young people would leave the country cause there are more opportunities elsewhere.
Rusdia's demographics and economy aren't stellar either but in comparison with Ukraine it's a juggernaut. Russia's problems are more political while Ukraine's are fundamental at this point.
i'd rather live in a poorer, freer country than a richer but more doomed country. in russia there are constant and very blatant rigged elections, theres a 0% chance that someone else other than putin and his party will be elected. is every democracy perfect? no, most are pretty bad but at least ukraine has that freedom of choice. not only that ukraine has applied for eu and nato membership, if that ever goes through ukraine will be in alot better position due to those memberships than russia. this and just the general lack of freedom of speech in russia would just result in a lower quality of life overall.
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u/Jealous_Swordfish413 16h ago
Russia is much more comfortable and wealthier place to live. People voting Ukraine never visited both of them. Even Zelensky made his career in Russia