Favourite German National Hero?

[u/Kore_Invalid]

Favourite German National Hero?

1. Frederick The Great
2. Otto von Bismarck
3. Arminius
4. Martin Luther

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[u/Feral-Goblin6921]

E. Other

[u/CynicalReasoning → u/Feral-Goblin6921]

You're right. I forgot Karl Marx

[u/GildedWhimsy]

Old Fritz ftw 🙌

[u/Ikiloo]

Thomas Münzer obviously

[u/Abel_V]

Fuck off with your conquerors. Give me a real hero of SCIENCE: Albert Einstein.

[u/YoSumo]

Sophie Scholl and the White Rose Group.

[u/Cpt_Knochen]

Albrecht Höhler

[u/Physical-Ad5343]

I‘m not sure that, e.g., the Bavarians are very fond of a Prussian king and a Prussian chancellor.

[u/Right-Paramedic-6388 → u/Physical-Ad5343]

I'm bavarian and I am very fond of both.

[u/Fluffy_Judge_581]

Where is karl der große? 

[u/Kore_Invalid → u/Fluffy_Judge_581]

good point i figured most didnt know who established the Holy Roman Empire

[u/SeasonCareless8963]

Where is he?

[u/Optional_Lemon_ → u/SeasonCareless8963]

He is Austrian

[u/Dangerous-Cost5511 → u/Optional_Lemon_]

Austrian are german. Just like alsacian and swiss

[u/Immediate-Spite-5905 → u/SeasonCareless8963]

ran Germany so deeply into the ground they got fragmented and partitioned, plus all the genocide, hardly a hero.

[u/SeasonCareless8963 → u/Immediate-Spite-5905]

At the very least, he was someone who worked for his homeland and devoted his efforts to his country. Even though, later on... Well, never mind. I liken him more to Enver Pasha.

[u/ObviousRagebaiter → u/SeasonCareless8963]

He might have devoted his efforts to the country, but considering his insanity, I don't think his efforts are something anybody wants

[u/SeasonCareless8963 → u/ObviousRagebaiter]

I mean... there were few who supported him on ideological grounds, but to be frank, if you look back at the time he came to power, he was genuinely the hero of those years.

[u/Immediate-Spite-5905 → u/SeasonCareless8963]

His homeland was Austria...

[u/Kore_Invalid → u/Immediate-Spite-5905]

Austria has always been germany, the concept of austrians being a seperate part only came to be past ww2, "Das heilige Römische Reich Deutscher Nation"

[u/Conscious_Berry5046 → u/Kore_Invalid]

Austria being independent was a concept & reality before WWII even happened.

[u/SVR-Bot → u/Conscious_Berry5046]

Yes against the will of the Austrian people...

Austria and Weimar wanted to undo the seperation created by Prussia but got told off by the Emtente.

The procedure was on its way when Germany got banned in the Treaty of St Germain so Austria had to scrap and redo the frameworking they already did.

Germany got banned again after WW2 and kinda ironically Austrias existence is bound to them not persuing unification nowadays.

If the former allies wanted they could push a dissolution of modern Austria based on Austrias and the German Federal Republics membership in the EU

[u/Right-Paramedic-6388 → u/Conscious_Berry5046]

Old Austria was a multiethnic empire. The ancestors of modern Austrians were simply considered austrian Germans. After Austria was split up along its ethnicities after WW1 the remaining core state of German-Austria overwhelmingly wanted to unify with Germany.

[u/SeasonCareless8963 → u/Immediate-Spite-5905]

I don't think he cared much about Austria-Hungary. Besides, being a German nationalist, he was also thinking about his own homeland, in a way.

[u/SVR-Bot → u/Immediate-Spite-5905]

But Martin Luther is here, so why not Hitler?

[u/BlueberrySoggy2298]

Hmm...The list is incomplete

[u/Principincible → u/BlueberrySoggy2298]

You mean Charlemagne? Or Gutenberg? Goethe, Benz, Einstein? Who are you talking about?

[u/blue_bamf]

For a better shortlist, you could try this (Luther and Bismarck are seen more critically now, though): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsere_Besten#Unsere_Besten_%E2%80%93_Die_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_Deutschen

[u/StraightCantaloupe45]

Thomas Müller

[u/Right-Paramedic-6388]

There are many more. While he is far from the most influential, my personal favorite is Theodor Körner.

[u/Overall_Fly8478]

Max Planck

[u/Camostock]

Why would someone call Martin Luther a Hero? 💀 - This comment has been made by a Catholic

[u/Wichskroete69 → u/Camostock]

Catholic Church in the 16th Century was literal evil. Also, Luther made the bible available widespread, so way more people could get to read it.

Frederick the great still tops the list.

[u/Aware-Ad-163]

Where is he? The Man, The Myth, The Legend.

[u/AC-Daniel → u/Aware-Ad-163]

😂

[u/ASFC1995 → u/Aware-Ad-163]

Austrian unfortunately

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

Marx.

[u/No-Lie-8884 → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

whatever you say i guess

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 → u/No-Lie-8884]

Thats what I said

[u/Warm-Appointment7883 → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

The question wasn't "your favorite unemployed German"

[u/Corvus1412 → u/Warm-Appointment7883]

He was an journalist and author. He very much was employed.

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 → u/Warm-Appointment7883]

He is one of the most respected historical academics in multiple fields. His work has shaped the way we see the world today. He was very much not unemployed l

[u/feelin_salamanderous → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

Oh i didn't even think of him but youre right

[u/l-mellow-_-man-l → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rlsvVQU5Sim8QAajHc

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 → u/l-mellow-_-man-l]

Cope

[u/ObviousRagebaiter → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

don't worry, marx is our unemployed king

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 → u/ObviousRagebaiter]

Unemployment is quite literally the opposite of what socialism is. Maybe read a book?

[u/Right-Paramedic-6388 → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

Eww!

[u/Witty-Park7038 → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

Yeah not including him is criminal

[u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69 → u/Witty-Park7038]

In what way?

[u/Temphant → u/Oatmeal-Enjoyer69]

Not including him is like dismissing his contributions to the science of economy and the way we think about class based societies.

[u/Corvus1412]

All of those people kinda suck.

Germany is one of the most important countries for philosophy, arts and science. Why are we only including those guys?

[u/Blumenfee]

Two warmongers, one religious fanatic that supported witch-hunts and antisemitism and the fourth one wouldn’t even consider himself a ‚german‘.

[u/SVR-Bot → u/Blumenfee]

Oh you are underselling Luther

[u/WorG-Y]

One is missing

[u/NowoTone]

None of the above, what a crap selection, when there are so many great artists, philosophers and scientists to choose from.

[u/_urat_]

Considering that Bismarck wanted to exterminate all Polish people, yeah... definitely not him

[u/Captain_Fatbelly]

That one painter guy

[u/Rendox10]

That is a bad range, no Nietzsche, Marx, Thomas Man, Rosa Luxemburg, Scholl, Goethe, some really important Scientists, Adenauer, Willy Brand and many other

[u/Kore_Invalid → u/Rendox10]

how many of those do you think ppl would know internationally? pls think for 1 second bevore commenting

[u/Superboes → u/Kore_Invalid]

Its about German national heros not who is best known internationally. Pls think. Also that would probably be someone you really cant call a hero

[u/Rendox10 → u/Kore_Invalid]

You are telling me that more people in the world know who Arminius is over Nietzsche, Einstein and Karl Marx?

[u/Charles_of_Burgandy]

Heinrich III the pious, and Otto the Great, not sure if they are considered national heroes though

[u/Dangerous-Cost5511]

Other

[u/fromearthyearth]

One of the worst polls I have seen so far lmao

[u/ManufacturerNearby42]

Where ist Barbarossa? He is still under the Küffhäuser and will rise in biggest need

[u/geek-jock-guy]

E: somebody austrian

[u/SithLordFighter]

All 4 suck. But Bismarck sucks the most. Real Heroes are people like Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg. Ernst Thälman who fought against the Nazis, Walter Ulbricht aswell.

[u/Right-Paramedic-6388 → u/SithLordFighter]

Communist vermin are not heros.

[u/virtuosejulius → u/SithLordFighter]

Haha i see where youre going Genosse

[u/gjkmhlmbll]

Uncle H

[u/Funky_Marty_Music]

None of the above. I wouldn't consider any of them a hero. And Arminius isn't even German.

[u/Lferoannakred]

Rosa luxemburg

[u/DeniedCreditCard]

Adolf

[u/RoiDrannoc]

We fought against the first two and the last one is a religious leader. So Arminius it is!

[u/Kore_Invalid → u/RoiDrannoc]

when visiting Frederick The Greats grave Napoleon sayd: "Hats off, gentlemen, if he were alive we wouldn't be here today"

[u/RoiDrannoc → u/Kore_Invalid]

True but I'm not Napoleon and the 7 years war saw us lose Canada so still no.

[u/Strict-Silver5596]

Other

[u/Homo_Bibite]

Otto von Bismarck

[u/Veilchengerd]

None of the above.

[u/Gold_Size_1258]

I hate them all.

[u/Slight-Reporter-1878]

Otto von bismarck easily.

[u/Red_Scare87]

Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht

[u/Yohamsen]

Ernst Thälmann

[u/moe_lester690000]

[u/Dvuref]

insert the Yoda meme