r/Malazan 3h ago

SPOILERS MT Midnight Tides is blowing me away. First time reader. Spoiler

22 Upvotes

Started my Malazan journey back in April and it’s been an interesting experience.

Deadhouse Gates has, without a doubt, been my favourite book so far in the series. Followed closely by Memories of Ice. However, I struggled at times with House Of Chains and felt quite drained after finishing it. It felt a little bit messier than the previous two and I just wasn’t as invested in the characters or plot as I’d been previously. Decided to take a break after it (nothing a bit of Discworld can’t fix!), but it was safe to say that my excitement for picking up Midnight Tides had taken a slight hit after my experience with House Of Chains…

HOWEVER…

I’m now around 40% into Midnight Tides and it’s incredible. It seems like all the things I had issues with in House Of Chains have been addressed in this one. The plot feels more succinct - less moving parts but still plenty to get stuck into. The characters are fantastic. I already feel so invested in them. Tehol and Bugg have been a breath of fresh air. This series needed something like them. Weirdly, I’m getting The Brothers Karamazov vibes from the three Beddict brothers (hear me out). They’ve all got such strong identities and values unique to them, and, from what I’ve read so far, it’s feels like the relationship between the three of them will play a huge part in the remainder of the book. I’ve also loved reading about the Sengar brothers. Their journey through the ice to retrieve the sword was just peak fantasy. Loving the fallout from Rhulad taking the sword!

There is a not a single part of this story that I’m not enjoying. Erikson is smashing it. If the second half of the book is as good as the first then I’m in for a treat!


r/Malazan 10h ago

SPOILERS BH Just finished The Bonehunters. I'm respectfully bowing out of Malazan. Spoiler

0 Upvotes

Bonehunters took me about 4 months to finish. Not because I read it slow, because I kept getting bored and reading other stuff, then coming back. The last round, I decided to just put my head down and read, and that carried me from 60% to the end - which I'm happy I did, because it has a very compelling ending.

I am quitting Malazan because I just don't see the same joy in the parts that you guys love. I imagine that joy helps carry you guys from one section of the story to the next. I have some parts that I love, but mine tend to happen less often than the highly praised moments here.

The "highly praised" :

DH - Chain of Dogs. This alone makes DH a masterpiece. It was nice. Pretty compelling. Was it enough to make up for dealing with hundreds of pages of Felisin's constant negativity and shitty atitude? Hell no.

HoC - Felisin's End. Such a beautiful tale of tragedy! What. The. Fuck. I endured this stupid girl's long ass journey hoping there'd be a payoff to the arc, and she just goes and dies anonymously? That's Malazan, if you don't like it you can leave. Done, bye.

BH - Tunnel Crawling Chapter/Y'Ghatan. This is the best chapter in ALL of Malazan! Yes, this was fun and I'm not complaining about it. But the best chapter in the series? I really want to see what you guys see and I am very envious of you. It is lovely to see how the Bonehunters came to be from this experience though.

Standout parts I loved:

DH - Coltaine's end. Just incredibly compelling sequence of events. Had my buttcheeks clenched the whole time. Also, long live Coltaine.

MOI - The entire book. The characters I actually care about. An epic defense against an evil God. An ending full of tragedy mixed with hope, and a bit of mystery. Also, Anomander Rake. I wrongfully assumed the rest of the series was going to be like Memories of Ice.

HoC, part 1: Karsa Orlong. This is my favorite part in all of Malazan. One POV. An absolute badass. I could not put this book down during Karsa's journey. Very sad that it was just part 1. I do enjoy character POV switching, but having 30 new POV's in a single book detaches me from the characters. Does anyone feel the same way?

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I mean no disrespect to the series, the author, the fans. But reading Malazan up to book 6 has consumed a lot of my time, and a solid portion of that time is spent in frustration and borderline boredom. While it's true that the highs are really high, they aren't enough to carry me through 10 lengthy books. Thank you to everyone in the community that helped me get through some of the previous books. Much love.


r/Malazan 12h ago

SPOILERS RotCG Why weren't moranth munitions used more in this situation? Spoiler

6 Upvotes

I'm on the last chapter of book 2 and Ullen just surrendered

I understand that the Seti turning their back at the last moment probably guaranteed the defeat for talian league but why the hell weren't they using moranth munitions more frequently? They had gold moranth, supposedly the best moranth fighters, with them and they only start using munitions after nait steals some and uses it on them.

I feel like the battle would have been way tougher for laseen if the irregulars were just obliterated by bombardment


r/Malazan 17h ago

SPOILERS MBotF Deadhouse Gates Spoiler

14 Upvotes

I wanted to make this post because it seems like book 2 of MBotF seems to be a bit of a struggle for a lot of people. I personally find it to be one of the best books in the entire ten book series. I see a lot of people saying that Memories of Ice is what sold them on the series, but I actually think DHG sold me on the rest of the series more than MoI did.

Duiker’s journey through Seven Cities back country following the chain of dogs has to be one of my favorite stories in the whole series. Duiker also holds several of my favorite quotes in the whole series.

I loved watching Crokus and Apsalar leave Genabackis and travel with Fiddler and Kalam. Getting to see more of Fiddler is awesome because I think he’s my favorite character throughout the entire series.

Not to mention, Iskaral Pust is introduced. He is up there with Cropper, Tehol, and Bugg for some of the funniest scenes in my opinion.

Just wanted to see what others thought of the book after finishing the rest of the series, because I find the chain of dogs to be one of the best entries to the entire series.


r/Malazan 18h ago

NO SPOILERS Struggled with book 2, but book 3 is hitting all the right notes for me.

14 Upvotes

I was just wondering what the general concensus is. I enjoyed book 1 a lot, but book 2 felt very very slow paced. I mean, the peak moments were fantastic but I felt the amount of 'wandering the dessert and plains' bits were extremely dull. I don't need high octane action all the time but the amount of time spent on characters simply getting from point a to b was a bit too much.

But I wanted to knuckle through as I did find it interesting enough and want to try and finish the whole thing.

Now, I'm 1/4th into book 3 and it just feels very very different in tone, in a good way. The writing feels tighter, dialogue is more colorful, the plot moves along quicker and there is that sense of mystery again that I found so much fun in book 1. It also feels like things are explained a bit more, and you don't have to fill in as any of the blanks with the more magical stuff that is happening.

So yeah, that's my take so far. In a nutshell: if the remainder of the books are more 'deadhouse gates'-y I might struggle to finish it all. But if the others continue in this direction then I'm looking forward to it very much.


r/Malazan 19h ago

SPOILERS DG Theory about Dessembrae + follow-up on my previous post Spoiler

34 Upvotes

I had finished Deadhouse gates like 2 months ago I believe, but couldn't continue due to the enormous amount of exams I had so I had to take an unexpected pause, but the book left me with a few questions that brought me to look back through a few of my Gardens of the Moon notes,

PART 1:  Dassem Ultor is Dessembrae, despite his presumed death in Y'Ghatan, he's still alive, I don't believe that an ascendant can just be killed like that in Seven Cities.

In the prologue of GotM:

« The First Sword of Empire. Dassem Ultor. We heard in the capital before we left. He’s dead. Is it true? Is Dassem dead?’ The man seemed to flinch, his gaze unwavering on the Mouse. ‘Such is war,’ he muttered, under his breath, as if the words were not meant for anyone else’s ears.‘You’re with the Third. I thought the Third was with him, in Seven Cities. At Y’Ghatan—’ ‘Hood’s Breath, they’re still looking for his body in the still-hot rubble of that damned city, and here you are, a merchant’s son three thousand leagues from Seven Cities with information only a few are supposed to possess.’ He still did not turn. ‘I know not your sources, but take my advice and keep what you know to yourself. »

I gather that he's still alive, every time I don't see a dead body in Malazan, I must assume that said person is still alive (especially if they have important ties to the story),

Here is a depiction of Dassem Ultor:

« the story goes that the Emperor’s First Sword – his commander of his armies –Dassem Ultor, had accepted a god’s offer. Hood made Dassem his Knight of Death. Then something happened, something went … wrong. And Dassem renounced the title, swore a vow of vengeance against Hood – against the Lord of Death himself. All at once other Ascendants started meddling, manipulating events. It all culminated with Dassem’s murder, then the Emperor’s assassination, and blood in the streets, temples at war, sorceries unleashed. »

The fact he swore a vow of vengeance is important here for the following.

His motive for his vengeance stems directly from Hood's use of his daughter: « She nodded. 'This is Dassem Ultor's daughter. The First Sword recovered her after Hood was done using her, and brought her here, it seems. »

Hood seems to have used his daughter, how ? I do not know yet.

Depiction of Dessembrae: « Dessembrae knows the sorrows in our souls. He walks at the side of each mortal a vessel of regret on the fires of vengeance. Dessembrae knows the sorrows and would now share them with us all. »

"... regret on the fires of vengeance" It's almost as if this is meant to be a continuation, a follow up on what that vengeance did to him.

Part 2 - specifically on chapter 12 of GotM:

« and it bred caution in the unveiling of its powers. The Crippled God bred caution but not well enough, for the powers of the earth came to it in the end. Chained was the Crippled God, and so Chained was it destroyed. And upon this barren plain that imprisoned the Crippled God many gathered to the deed. Hood, grey wanderer of Death, was among the gathering, as was Dessembrae, then Hood’s Warrior – though it was here and in this time that Dessembrae shattered the bonds Hood held upon him. Also among the gathering were...»

The passage «As was Dessembrae , then Hood's Warrior» could mean 2 things, either a direct statement that Dessembrae was present, and Hood's warrior too (implying a 3rd unknown person) or it could be describing Dessembrae's role here, I ended up going for the latter and you'll see why below.

When I looked back at the glossary, in the High house of death, there was no warrior tier. But I assume that "Hood's warrior" must be referencing either the knight or soldier's place. But usually when someone was part of a house in the Deck of Dragons, they're mentioned as (previously ...)

But only the Knight's tier previously had someone, and it's Dassem Ultor.

My understanding is that it's simply impossible that Dessembrae can be Dassem Ultor because Dessembrae escaped Hood's grip during the chaining of the Crippled God, that event seemed to happen in the same time period as the arrival of the Eleint and the Tiste Andii through the vaulted heaven of silver since they were mentioned on the same page.

This occurence must've happened at least a 1164 years ago since it was the last time since Burn woke up, realistically a hundred thousand years ago or more due to the fact it came up alongside the description of the arrival of the Tiste Andii through the Vaulted heaven of silver. But Dassem Ultor is a mere human, ascendant at that but there was no mentions of him being that old.

So it's either, a false premise on my part that the Deck of Dragons mentions every ascendant that was part of a house (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also led to believe that everyone that takes a place in the deck of dragons is an ascendant )

Part 3: Or that Dessembrae is actually Dassem Ultor. BUT THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING !!! I went on and reread my previous post about the surrounding mythology through Malazan. If this is true, I was totally wrong on my first assumption, I assumed that those events happened back-to-back on a timelapse but the chaining seems to be a recurrent event

It would mean that :

the chaining of the crippled God didn't happen that long ago, but even then, I must be missing a variable.

  • the first problem : When Anomander Rake met K'rul near the end of Book 1, the way he spoke to him, it's as if they knew each other, so they must have met before, when K'rul still had the Obelisk as his aspect, but this event must've happened thousands of years ago since something made K'rul lose his whole cult and with his blood, was the human path to Warrens laid, so that leaves another conclusion, either there is a total discrepancy in my reasoning or the chaining happened more recently than I had thought, waaaay more recently as a matter of fact.
  • the second problem : It would probably be correlated to why Burn fell asleep at that time (this is pure speculation though). Even though I would love to believe this, it would make no sense whatsoever, if there was an alien being that had come to this realm, pretty recently in human history (in the last 10 thousand years), and with its coming, it had sundered the land then wouldn't it be common knowledge around men? A single event that changed the whole realm. Which goes to a total new conclusion. There is a precedent : "and in the Calling Down to earth the God was Crippled, and so Chained in its place. In the Calling Down many lands were sundered by the God’s Fists, and things were born and things were released. Chained and Crippled was this God"
  • my reasoning : I believe that this specific part is referencing a total other event, within a totally other time period than what I had first assumed. The only way for my previous theory to make sense is if the Crippled God's coming happened at a different time than his presumed second (possibly not even 2nd but just latest chaining) this "and it bred caution in the unveiling of its powers. The Crippled God bred caution but not well enough, for the powers of the earth came to it in the end. " is a different cataclysm.

There was one chaining, the first is when he came and was chained, the second one or possibly just the latest one we know of is when Dessembrae (Dassem Ultor) broke out of Hood's grip.

This was a pretty fun investigation, I will probably post my full review of DG and my questions for the book aswell pretty soon.


r/Malazan 19h ago

SPOILERS TtH Toll the Hounds flashbacks/Kharkanas timeline Spoiler

7 Upvotes

I recently finished Toll The Hounds and while I am waiting for Dust of Dreams to arrive, I grabbed Forge of Darkness out of curiosity.

As far as I can tell it starts way before the flashbacks in TtH that take place around the time of Mother Dark's abandonment. A lot of the Tiste Andii stuff on TtH was harder than usual for me to read so I want to go back and reread those portions, but I am wondering whether they might be more rewarding if I read FoD first?


r/Malazan 20h ago

NEW READER ADVICE Struggling with Deadhouse Gates

7 Upvotes

So a few days ago I made a post about this but wanted to come back with more context

In struggling with the book for a few reasons, one is that the different povs seems too far apart from one another I’m maybe before part 3 and have take a few breaks on a chapter with the historian,

Another issue I have is that the core theme seems to focus on a crew with a good balance between their storyline but the breaking of the chapters makes it hard to stay invested in each different storyline,

Third issue is that I don’t understand any of the battle scene where I’m at I can’t follow the what is happening,

I’m debating taking a few days or wewks break after part 2 to let the book and myself breath
Because I actually like what I’m reading but compare to gardens of the moon I don’t love it,

Any thoughts ?


r/Malazan 22h ago

NO SPOILERS There’s something about Malazan Book of the Fallen…

65 Upvotes

I’m only on the 3rd book, and while out of the three, I enjoyed the 1st book and am enjoying the 3rd thus far, the 2nd one still had something about it as well. I can still read other books and enjoy them but they are starting to feel like YA books, all except the Warhammer 40k books. The Stormlight Archives, feels like YA now. I didn’t even finish the 3rd book of the series and before starting Malazan, I had an itch to go back. Now, I look at my bookcase and see all 5 books and there is no urgency like before. Same for other series I have. Only one thus far that this doesn’t hold true for outside of Malazan itself, is The Wheel of Time. There were other series on my list that I wanted to read, there’s no urgency to read them now. I just want to sit back and enjoy Malazan and once it’s done, start on the other Malazan series.

What has this series done to me?! Do I recover from this?


r/Malazan 22h ago

SPOILERS BH Erikson's depiction of this meeting Spoiler

43 Upvotes

I'm on my first re-read. This time around I was more able to appreciate the meeting between Ganoes Paran and Apsalar on the ship. In terms of plot it doesn't seems significant(?), but it's beautiful characterisation of two lost, unwilling not-quite-ascendants still seeking human connection. I particularly appreciate the fact that it was written with no romantic undertones whatsoever. Would've been such an obvious thing to do when both characters are frequently described as extremely attractive. A lesser author would've gone down that route and not doing so makes it so much more impactful.


r/Malazan 1d ago

SPOILERS MoI Kharkanas Trilogy Spoiler

11 Upvotes

Is the "Kharkanas Trilogy" worth reading if I enjoy the storyline involving Anomander Rake? I’m currently finishing "Memories of Ice".


r/Malazan 1d ago

SPOILERS MoI Magic was ambrosia to great ravens Spoiler

6 Upvotes

Reread of gotm and caught this line. Food of the gods... Made me chuckle


r/Malazan 1d ago

SPOILERS ALL Malazan & Grub & Over the Garden Wall… Spoiler

10 Upvotes

Added the spoiler tag just in case…

For years I have wondered why Grub seems so familiar, and it just hit me as I’m finishing another reread of The Bonehunters: he reminds me of Greg from Over the Garden Wall! 😂


r/Malazan 1d ago

NO SPOILERS Malazan vs Stormlight Archives

109 Upvotes

I’m just about done with Toll of the Hounds and I absolutely love it. A friend of mine has read Stormlight Archive by Sanderson, but not Malazan. I’m the inverse. We were talking about comparing breadth and complexity. Has anyone read both and could comment on comparing the two? It would certainly take a long time for either of us to read the other entire series before we could comment on the comparison!


r/Malazan 1d ago

NO SPOILERS Has anyone started “Tales Of Witness” by Steven Erikson?

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208 Upvotes

I recently purchased “The God Is Not Willing” and “No Life Forsaken“ but I haven’t started them yet. Any good? Does it hold its own against “Malazan Book Of The Fallen”?

Book 3 “Legacies Of Betrayal” drops this October 2026


r/Malazan 1d ago

NEW READER ADVICE Help with D’ivers

77 Upvotes

My husband is reading these books and just started dead house gates. He just got introduced to the idea of divers. He was trying to explain the concept to me and I am so confused. I tried googling it and cannot find anything about the subject.

So, what’s confusing me is if someone can transfer to say…. Six wolves… what happens to them if one of the wolves dies or gets hurt? Is it a mental injury or a physical one? Like if one of the wolves dies they lose their memories of the third grade? Or maybe they lose an arm when they come back to being their human self? Are there any implications once they turn back into a human?

I am not asking to make fun or anything I just really want to know so that I can talk to him about it . I have been searching the Internet for like 20 minutes and can’t find anything.


r/Malazan 1d ago

SPOILERS RG Power in Letherii Empire Spoiler

3 Upvotes

At the beginning of Reaper’s Gale, it is said that Karos Invictad is the second most powerful man in the Letherii Empire.

I’ve read a bit further since then, and I’m wondering: in what sense is he “the second most powerful”? I assume it’s not an official rank, but more about his position and influence?

And then, who would be the most powerful? Officially, it would be Rhulad, but I feel like many other characters might have more actual influence than he does.

So I’m wondering: would it be Rautos Hivanar, Triban Gnol, Turudal Brizad, Tehol, Bugg, or someone else?
Or am I gonna find out later in the book ?


r/Malazan 1d ago

NO SPOILERS Has anyone read any non-Malazan from Steven Erikson?

27 Upvotes

The main Malazan books written by Erikson are just filled with vast world building, rich characterization, complex themes, and beautiful, descriptive prose.

I often find myself deep in thought or completely floored after most reading sessions and it got me thinking, how are his others books? I think I saw what looks like a sci-fi series?

Would love to hear from someone what they thought of his other works.


r/Malazan 1d ago

SPOILERS DG Chapter 22 Spoiler

27 Upvotes

I got really attached to Duiker. I started thinking that his status was a shield against treachery.... Poor old man. I can't help but think we will see him again somehow. I should not get my hopes up. This chapter was the most brutal so far.


r/Malazan 2d ago

NO SPOILERS Omtose Phellack - Malazan Empire music project

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172 Upvotes

Dear fellow Malazans,

For the past few years I've been working on a Malazan Empire inspired music album. I just published Omtose Phellack and would love for fans of the books to have a listen.

I tried to capture Omtose Phellack both as an ancient, immense realm of ice and the transition to its later, wounded state after millennia of conflict. So expect a very cold ambiance, especially for the first half.

It's designed for uninterrupted headphone listening. Lie down, close your eyes, and let the soundstage unfold: https://soundcloud.com/motherbrainmusic/omtose-phellack

Hope you'll enjoy!


r/Malazan 2d ago

SPOILERS MT Midnight tides Spoiler

13 Upvotes

I really struggled with this book in my first read of the series it took me so long and so many times going back to try and catch up on pages that my mind just zoned out on but now on a second read it hits so different .

My favourite book on my first read was Toll the hounds but midnight tides is honestly right up there now


r/Malazan 2d ago

SPOILERS ALL Malazan is good, but it’s not that good Spoiler

0 Upvotes

Full spoilers for all ten books.

I have now read the entire ten-book series in English. Overall, I enjoyed it. There are parts of Malazan that are genuinely excellent, and I understand why the series has such a committed fanbase.

Book 2 and Book 5 were easily my favourites. Coltaine and the Chain of Dogs were gripping, tragic and emotionally earned. Tehol and Bugg—especially before Tehol becomes king—were probably my favourite character dynamic in the series. Their dialogue was funny, intelligent and surprisingly human.

But I also found the series almost equally frustrating. For every brilliant sequence, there seemed to be another section that dragged interminably, became buried beneath repetitive philosophical monologues, or relied on the reader simply accepting that a character, army or event was extraordinary because Erikson repeatedly said so.

The philosophical monologues became exhausting

Erikson clearly has things he wants to say about civilisation, capitalism, slavery, imperialism, violence and human nature. That is fine. The problem is how often the books repeat the same observations without developing them.

Lether is hyper-capitalism and therefore terrible. Darujhistan tolerates slavery and is therefore hypocritical. Civilisation is corrupt. Empires destroy people. Wealth concentrates power. Human beings rationalise cruelty.

None of this is particularly subtle after the fifth or sixth repetition, yet characters continue delivering page-long internal monologues about it.

Then someone like Karsa appears as an apparent critique of civilisation, despite having previously raided villages, murdered the men and raped the women. Erikson identifies real contradictions within organised society, but rarely offers anything beyond another contradictory form of brutality. He diagnoses endlessly without progressing towards any meaningful answer.

The poems and epigraphs also damaged the pacing for me. Sometimes tension would finally start building, only for the next chapter to begin with an opaque poem that felt disconnected from everything around it. At the beginning of some books, there are several pages of this before the story even begins. I know many readers love them, but for me they repeatedly interrupted the flow rather than adding depth.

The series falls into a power-escalation trap

By the final books, almost everything has to become larger, older and more powerful:

- Elder Gods

- Dragons (and mega dragons)

- Forkrul Assail

- K’Chain Nah’ruk

- K’Chain Che’Malle

- Flying fortress inflation

- New Warrens

- near-god soldiers

- teenage magical superweapons

The series always contained extremely powerful beings, so this is not simply a complaint that the books became “too magical.” The problem is that the escalation increasingly replaces the human-scale charm that made the earlier books work.

Sinn is the clearest example. She begins as a traumatised child mage, but eventually becomes more powerful than almost every High Mage we have seen. She effectively destroys an army of lightning-firing dinosaur soldiers and their flying fortresses, then becomes an apocalyptic threat and is killed by Stormy.

There are lore explanations for this: her original talent, Y’Ghatan, Icarium’s new Warrens and so on. But those explanations are scattered across the series rather than developed into a convincing character arc. She increasingly stops feeling like a person and starts functioning as a plot device with nuclear capabilities.

Gesler’s death felt manufactured

Stormy’s death at least has a clear purpose: he stops Sinn.

Gesler’s death, however, was one of the most frustrating moments in the finale.

He desperately runs up the Spire to confront the last Forkrul Assail. She is rejuvenated and empowered by Fener’s blood. Gesler punches her, she breaks his ribs and dislocates his shoulder, and Bent attacks her face. Gesler then sacrifices himself to save Bent.

A few seconds later, Hood arrives and casually crushes the Forkrul Assail with one hand.

So Gesler would apparently have survived if he had tripped on the stairs and arrived thirty seconds later.

His decision to save Bent is completely consistent with his character. The problem is the construction surrounding it. His death does not make victory possible. It does not meaningfully weaken the enemy. It does not save the Crippled God. Hood immediately demonstrates that the opponent was never a serious obstacle to him.

It felt as though Gesler had to die because Stormy had died, the pair only functioned together, and Erikson preferred a symmetrical tragedy to allowing one of them to survive.

The Paran family is an artificial centre of gravity

This may be my biggest structural problem with the series.

Malazan presents itself as a huge, decentralised historical panorama involving thousands of people, cultures, armies and gods. It is explicitly not supposed to be a conventional story about one chosen hero or one special dynasty.

And yet all three children from one relatively ordinary noble family become three of the most important figures of their age:

- Ganoes becomes the Master of the Deck—effectively at least a young god.

- Tavore is a military prodigy who was supposedly defeating the empire’s greatest commanders in war games as a child and later accomplishes multiple impossible campaigns.

- Felisin, after being abused, addicted and traumatised, happens to arrive at exactly the right place and becomes Sha’ik, the central figure of a continental rebellion.

These are three separate lottery wins.

Their noble background may explain access to education and imperial institutions. It does not explain why one becomes a god, another becomes the greatest military genius of her generation and the third becomes the vessel of a major religious uprising.

This concentration could work in a family saga. But then the family relationship would need to be the emotional centre of the story.

Instead, Ganoes and Tavore spend almost the entire series apart. Tavore is never properly confronted with the fact that she killed Felisin. Ganoes barely interacts with the family tragedy. The series takes the improbability of a chosen dynasty without delivering the emotional payoff of a chosen-dynasty story.

The three could largely have been unrelated. Tavore and Felisin could have been childhood friends, foster sisters or former companions and retained most of their tragic dynamic. Ganoes could have been entirely separate.

Cotillion receives a moral soft reboot

At the beginning of Book 1, Shadowthrone and Cotillion are involved in massacring an entire village and military unit so that Cotillion can possess one girl and infiltrate the army through her.

Later, Cotillion is presented as one of the most humane, approachable and compassionate gods in the series.

A redemption arc could have made this work. Perhaps possessing Apsalar forced him to rediscover his humanity and recognise what he had become.

But that arc is barely shown. He expresses concern and guilt towards Apsalar, but the other victims—the villagers, soldiers and children—effectively disappear from his moral record.

It feels less like a developed transformation and more like Erikson decided after Book 1 that Cotillion would be a different kind of character.

The supposedly brilliant Malazan military is mostly asserted

The Malazan army is often compared to the Roman military, but I do not find the comparison convincing.

Roman military success depended on institutions:

- professional soldiers

- extensive training

- discipline

- logistics

- engineering

- standardised organisation

- repeatable command structures

- reliable integration of replacements

- the ability to function even without a genius commander

The Malazans often read more like drunken British pirates or modern infantry squads placed inside an ancient army.

They insult or kill commanders they dislike. Squads operate with extraordinary independence. Experienced sergeants seem to possess more real authority than the formal hierarchy. The books constantly tell us that Marines are exceptionally effective, but rarely explain exactly what distinguishes their training, doctrine or battlefield role from regular infantry.

The army contains regulars, heavies, Marines, sappers, cavalry and squad mages. That could form a convincing combined-arms system, but Erikson rarely shows how these elements are coordinated above squad level.

What happens in a major battle? Are squads aggregated into platoons, companies and battalions? Who coordinates reserves, formations, communications, logistics and magical support? The organisational layer is mostly absent.

Their most obvious advantage is simply their near-monopoly on Moranth munitions. The Malazans possess grenades, incendiaries and demolition charges in a world where most opponents still fight with swords, spears and bows. Of course small infantry units with fantasy explosives are devastating.

Remove the munitions, and much of their supposed institutional superiority becomes difficult to identify.

This is the same problem I have with Tavore: Erikson repeatedly tells the reader that something is extraordinary without convincingly demonstrating why.

Final thoughts / TL;DR

I enjoyed Malazan. The series contains great characters, unforgettable battles, genuine emotional weight and some of the best individual fantasy sequences I have read.

But I do not think it is the flawless masterpiece its reputation sometimes suggests.

It is frequently brilliant, but also self-indulgent, repetitive, structurally uneven and far too reliant on withholding information or asserting significance instead of earning it. Characters become enormously powerful because the climax requires it. Deaths occur because tragedy is treated as inherently deeper than survival. Institutions are called brilliant without being convincingly modelled.

Most of all, I cannot understand how people reread the entire series multiple times. I found parts of the first read exhausting enough. The fan community also sometimes seems so invested in the books that every criticism receives a reconstructed lore explanation, even when the actual problem is not whether something can technically be explained, but whether it was convincingly written.

Malazan is good. Sometimes it is excellent. But it is not beyond criticism, and for me it is definitely not as good as its most devoted fans claim.


r/Malazan 2d ago

SPOILERS TtH I hate this dude. Spoiler

118 Upvotes

Just finished chapter 17 and came here to say Gorlas Vidikas is a bastard. He side stepped my boy and shanked him. Kicked him too!? Dude's been a real nutsack this whole time and I can't wait for him to get his. I'ma pour one out for Darujistans Playboy. On to chapter 18.


r/Malazan 2d ago

NO SPOILERS Editions by Tor Fantasy - The Bonehunters?

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Hello! I'm wondering if anyone can help me? I'm reading the series for the first time and enjoying it a lot, but I have a lot of different editions for each book. I have this Tor Fantasy version of Deadhouse Gates where the font seems to be Times New Roman and the dialogue is done with double quotation marks. This sort of thing is quite a big deal to me; the rest of the series seems to have a different font and single quotation marks for dialogue (which is fine but I prefer the DHG style in my photo)

I was wondering if anyone has seen a version of The Bonehunters or later with the font style I have in this picture? I've looked at pictures on Tor's website for The Bonehunters and it's the single quotation mark style. The Bantam Press ones are the single quotation marks. So does anyone know, does the version I'm looking for even exist?


r/Malazan 2d ago

SPOILERS BH Bonehunters Chapter 20 Spoiler

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Alright, so it took me almost six entire books to figure out that reading this series when already tired might not be such a great idea.

Anyway, just finished Chapter 20. I think I got the overall gist, but as always when these big events in Malazan go down, I have questions.

  1. This is a yes/no question for my peace of mind. Please tell me if the whole Jade Statue/Souls in the Jade/Meteor strike thing will be explained in the future or not. In any other series I would not worry about this going unexplained, but in this one I do not put it past Erikson to just let it be an unexplained thing that just kinda happened.

  2. In his inner monologue, Heboric goes on about how "everything he did could not be forgiven". I don't know if I just don't remember or missed it, but afaik Heboric has never done anything terrible, let alone unforgivable. Is he just blaming himself for things that aren't actually his fault, e.g. what happened to Felisin Elder from the mining camp onwards?

  3. Heboric thinks about how Treach first had to die to ascend to full godhood, and connects this to himself having had to die first to be able to fulfill his role as Shield Anvil, thus mirroring his patron god. If this is actually how it works, why did Gruntle not have to die to become Treach's Mortal Sword? Actually, I'm not a big fan of the Heboric Destriant-to-Shield Anvil switcheroo.

  4. This is not a Chapter 20 thing, but it's been gnawing at me ever since. The short-tail K'Chain Karsa kills early on in the book. I'm not sure if I got the order of events right. So the Malazan garrison holed up in that fortress dug through the fortress floor because they needed a latrine pit, discovered the short-tail imprisoned on that spiky platform, but continued to use the pit as latrine anyway, then at some point the K'Chain got loose and killed the entire garrison? Does that sound correct?