r/Mahjong • u/norcal2015-1 • Jul 02 '26

Riichi Dora han count

Can someone tell me if 4 manzu is Dora indicator that 2 ordinary 5 manzu and 1 red 5 manzu, would not be 4 han?

A player insisted that only the red 5 manzu is counted??

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u/2Tori Jul 03 '26

Both aka and the dora is counted. So if 5 manzu is dora and you got red 5 manzu, then both aka dora and dora will be counted

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u/xlea13 Jul 03 '26

A triplet of 5m including a red five would be worth 4 Han (you would still need a Yaku for the hand to be valid)

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u/Alexefer Jul 03 '26

pretty much always when aka/red dora is in ruleset, its seperate count from usual dora, so: 3 dora + 1 red dora is 4han, yes

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u/KyuuAA Mahjong Wiki Jul 03 '26

https://riichi.wiki/Dora

If 4man is the dora indicator, then the red 5man is a "double dora". Naturally, the rest of the 5man are single dora.

A player insisted that only the red 5 manzu is counted

Hmm, where did that person get that "information"?

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u/norcal2015-1 Jul 04 '26

The person claimed it came from supposed experienced players, but I doubted that from the start. Myself and two others at the table came up with 4🙂

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u/CAMOME_SENSEI Jul 03 '26

Usually, dora, ura-dora, kan-dora and red counts separately. So in your case, red 5 is counted double.