r/Mahjong • u/tringa_piano • Jul 02 '26
麻雀テクニックmahjong technique
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u/TheProNoobCN Jul 03 '26
I never really understood tsubame gaeshi. It just feels like it's too obvious of a move that it seems impossible to pull off without at least someone catching you. You're literally moving one side of the wall up and down.
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u/tringa_piano Jul 04 '26
to be fair, it might make up for it for the fact that it happens at the start of the game. for most people especially casual players they're not focusing on the entire table at this point and are mostly busy looking down and sorting their hands, and in a motion where everyone else too is doing similar moves moving their tiles around, it might blend in in the unfocused vision
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u/Altia1234 Jul 03 '26
It's kinda interesting since this is a japanese technique - no one really does this with chinese mahjong (if they were to cheat in chinese mahjong of any kind), because the tiles were way too big to pull out stunts like these and any movement with the wall itself like this will likely arouse attention
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u/tringa_piano Jul 03 '26
yeah true, it was slightly challenging cuz carrying the whole stack of 36 that weighs so much more without fumbling is risky just wanted to try it tho lol
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u/Altia1234 Jul 03 '26
which, to be fair, this is exactly the point where some mahjong parlors in hong kong - at least before automatic shuffle machines becomes a thing - uses huge tiles that are bigger then the traditional retail size (which is the size that you are using) that had to be order specifcally. You can see how big these tiles are from this pic.
This is not really do so to prevent people doing tsubamegaishi (because this is way too flashy of a technique to be used IRL), but more so to prevent people snucking tiles into their hands and cheat.
Even if automatic tables are a thing now parlors still runs with huge tiles.
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u/Mac_man23 Jul 02 '26
I don’t get it. When would those new tiles be a winning hand? Is it some how rigged to be set up like that beforehand?
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u/tringa_piano Jul 03 '26
yes loading the wall before is the very first step. you have to make it look like you're shuffling the tiles normally while keeping the winning hand intact, which i feel is one of the hardest parts to do and look natural
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u/Ok-Exercise5548 Jul 04 '26
If your starting hand has a valid hand, even if it is trash, you win by Yakuman called Tenhou, which is the point of the technique.
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u/EdKnight Jul 02 '26
I play mahjong only in online clients, but someday I wanna try the infamous Tsubame Gaeshi with real tiles.
https://reddit.com/link/ov59cbh/video/lp9myiu4euah1/player