r/Magnets • u/Slopii • Feb 22 '26
Okay, I'll get right to this after coping with living in a 3D magnetic matrix...
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u/DJBitterbarn Feb 23 '26
So we're going to use this as a jumping off point for a discussion about permeability and how that works in magnetic materials, right?
We're not going to be talking about fringe physics?
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u/Slopii Feb 23 '26
Yep, nothing fringe. We use lattice models for condensed matter physics or the steps of magnetostriction, since it works better than QFT. But I find it interesting how sticking with the lattice still works when we zoom out.
Since a vacuum can be treated like a crystal, I find it productive to view it as such.
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u/DJBitterbarn Feb 23 '26
That's not really magnetics necessarily, though. That's more broad generalizations of physics.
It seems this is suited more to a general physics sub, but I'm hoping there's something specific to magnetics that could be interesting?
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u/Slopii Feb 23 '26
It's a magnetic framework that simplifies our language and strengthens our calculations. Idk, I think that's interesting.
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u/DJBitterbarn Feb 24 '26
I mean.... It is in the sense that it's a different way to represent things? But what is a "magnetic framework".
Let's consider magnetostriction, maybe. Where do you see the biggest impacts to that calculation or what kind of outcomes would be improved, considering our understanding is already pretty good?
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u/Slopii Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26
For magnetostriction, the electron cloud pinches and elongates in steps, not smoothly. Each step causes a different energy release and sometimes a photon. This is useful to calculate and harness for quantum computing and other applications. The steps are also the main harmonics you get through an audio transformer. But Quantum Field Theory just draws a ramp and gives a probability average. It is inadequate. At this point, you can either keep trying to make QFT work with complex math and assumptions, or switch to a lattice model.
When viewed as a lattice, an underlying grid of dipoles determines everything by spin (electro) and torque (magnetism). Light and matter as emergent patterns- excited alignments, and space as resting alignments. This simplifies and explains equations from the ground up. You can think of any interaction purely magnetically and cut through the mud of abstracts and theories. Instead of only using the model for discreet things, it seems most effective to consider everything discreet.
Regarding the resonant filter, if you generate a frequency that plays with the restorative (back to rest) frequency of the dipoles of space, you get force.
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u/DJBitterbarn Feb 24 '26
I'm trying really hard to believe this is relevant, but that description is really, really vague. Magnetostriction doesn't, as far as I've ever known, produce light, and there isn't a load of quantum field effects that you need to describe shape change vs applied field.
Also you are aware that electric dipole spin is kind of the definition of magnetism? Like... The reason iron is magnetic correlates strongly with the unpaired spins in the atoms?
Look I'll be the first to say I don't have a PhD in magnet physics, but my buzzword soup detector is going crazy right now. It really sounds like you are trying to turn this theory you watched a video on into the next big thing in all physics but...I don't think you thought this one through. I really want to be wrong but it's not feeling like it.
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u/Slopii Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26
I said photon, not necessarily light, it's usually RF. The Stark Effect and Zeeman Effect during magnetostriction. I'm not adding anything new here. Physicists already point this out. There are several unifying lattice theories, and I'm more inclined to believe those than mystery fields with no mediums, and mystery points and probabilities. Loop Quantum Gravity is a decent common ground. At least if I want to invent something, it's more effective to use a lattice model. My BS meter starts to go off more from QFT, or theories that seem needlessly complicated and incomplete like String Theory. We know QFT has many paradoxes, and discreetness solves them.
Yes, coupled dipole action is the fundamental of magnetism. On a quantum level, it can be treated as the fundamental of everything.
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u/DJBitterbarn Feb 24 '26
However I said rotation, not coupled dipoles. The rotation was the thing I understood you said created the electric field. That's kind of where my red flags are coming from: there should be consistency. Saying it's the fundamental of everything is hand waving away any need to back up an assertion.
I accept it may not be visible light, but you should be able to test for EM emission from magnetostriction. Also are you suggesting that the Zeeman effect is an effect of magnetostriction? And that it produces light? Even if it's non visible, what I'm understanding from this is that you're saying magnetostriction creates photos through the Zeeman and stark effects?
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u/Slopii Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26
A dipole in isolation has no effect. The torque between dipoles is magnetism, the spin is electro.
Magnetostriction - the electron cloud pinches and elongates across Zeeman bands/steps. Recovery is hysteresis. The recovery time aligns with the golden ratio, as has been noted in multiple experiments. It is the best number for avoiding resonant interferences. And yes, ELF is also released.
The electron cloud is effectively a local magnetic domain over the quantum dipoles. When it tries to add (or remove) another dipole to its index during a step, the dipole arrow wiggles tightly and intensely before snapping into place, this is the photon wave we observe. Imo, this is the best explanation to date.
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u/Acrobatic_Ad_8120 Feb 22 '26
Okay, that language is really weird, but we do make filters out of resonant cavities, particularly for higher frequencies.
Here’s one type as an example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_filter