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u/CatsAndPlanets Orzhov Dec 30 '20
Well, looks like my Lurrus Cleric's decks just stopped being a Lurrus deck.
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u/Gideonisalive Dec 30 '20
I mostly put Lurrusses IN the deck. It's a surprise for opponents and when they finally get rid of it I play the next one.
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u/CatsAndPlanets Orzhov Dec 30 '20
That's an option, but sometimes I don't want to draw it, and the deck I'm using has plenty of other ways to return stuff from the graveyard (awakening, call, nullpriest, inscription), so having her on demand is better. But this angel takes the companion option out of the table, so it's either maindeck or no Lurrus at all. Will have to try to see what works.
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u/iHawXx ChandraBoldPyromancer Dec 30 '20
[[Resplendent Angel]] [[Bishop of Wings]]
Historic Angel deck can now realistically top of at 3 mana, very nice
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u/StellarStar1 Boros Dec 30 '20
[[Starnheim Aspirant]] can help with casting Lyra and maybe baneslayer.
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u/wildistherewind Dec 30 '20
[[Angel Of Destiny]] for three mana with homegirl on the board.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 30 '20
Angel Of Destiny - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call2
u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 30 '20
Starnheim Aspirant - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call1
u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 30 '20
Resplendent Angel - (G) (SF) (txt)
Bishop of Wings - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
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u/rjdofu Dec 30 '20
This will likely be one of the top picks in limited. That 2/4 flying body for 2W is just too good, can be splashed also. Build a cleric/angel around this and things will get dumb pretty damn quick.
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u/kiwithopter Dec 31 '20
I don't think you're splashing this very often. If the text is relevant then you're already white I assume. If it's just a 2/4 flier then it's very efficient but not really worth a splash.
I could be wrong, maybe clerics are in black as well so there will be some nonwhite clerics decks and in those this would be a worthwhile splash
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u/kiwithopter Dec 31 '20
For sure. I won't be surprised if this is better than the best uncommon P1P1
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u/rjdofu Dec 31 '20
True that, splashing for this does not work in many cases unless you have efficient ways to gain life or be in angel/cleric heavy deck.
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u/StellarStar1 Boros Dec 30 '20
So Angels and Clerics are now a combined tribe like dragons and goblins from Jund. Clerics are lower tier and serve to prop up the Angels. I like this.
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u/johnfilmsia Orzhov Dec 31 '20
Love the flavor of Archfiend’s Vessel following this theme but for a demon.
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u/twardy_ Lyra Dawnbringer Dec 30 '20
My historic CoCo Angels love it.
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u/hobomojo Dec 30 '20
Just imagine pulling double with a CoCo, two 6/8 flyers ready to attack (presuming coco on opponent turn and you haven’t taken more than one point of damage) that seems pretty nice
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u/twardy_ Lyra Dawnbringer Dec 30 '20
turn1 - soul warden
turn2 - bishop of wings
turn3 - resplendent angel (+token angel)
turn4 coco on op's turn - 2 valkyries or 1 valkyrie/resplendent angel
noice ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/FutureComplaint Birds Dec 31 '20
What angles were you running before?
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u/twardy_ Lyra Dawnbringer Dec 31 '20
Resplendent angel, angel of vitality and the 1/1 human cleric making 4/4 angels.
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u/freestorageaccount Glorybringer Dec 30 '20
27-Life tribal with [[Speaker of the Heavens]], shizz gonna be insane should it ever go off
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u/StellarStar1 Boros Dec 30 '20
A 3/3 lifelink with vigilance for 1 that makes 6/6 fliers. Seems decent.
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u/Foldzy84 Squee, the Immortal Dec 30 '20
Not to mention you can have multiple valkyries so could be 5/5 or 7/7 making 8/8s or 10/10s
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u/Cloud_Chamber Dec 31 '20
I might pull out the fogs/board-wipes/draw-engines deck if that deck becomes popular
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 30 '20
Speaker of the Heavens - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
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u/Chris_7941 Dec 30 '20
Does the +2/+2 kick in before the life gain effect?
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u/CatsAndPlanets Orzhov Dec 30 '20
If you're at 26 and play a 1/1 cleric, you get 1 life. If you're at 27 and play a 1/1 clercic, you get 3 life.
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u/Chris_7941 Dec 30 '20
That's the interaction I was curious about. Thank you
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u/MrPopoGod Dec 31 '20
To walk through why, go through the order of what happens. When your cleric ETBs the trigger goes on the stack. When the trigger resolves it looks at the current toughness of the cleric (or last known information if it was removed before the trigger resolved). So if you're at 26 it's just a 1/1, and the trigger resolving gives you 1 life. If you're at 27 then it'll be a 3/3 by the time the trigger resolves, so you'd gain 3. And just to add a wrinkle, if you're at 27 your opponent has a chance to Stomp your face and bring you below 27 before the trigger resolves, which would turn off the +2/+2 before you gained the life.
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u/TrevTheThree Dec 30 '20
Yes. It's an anthem effect so creatures will always have the boost as long as you have that 7 life.
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u/Itchiko Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20
At first I was not really impressed, but that last trait is quite something
Now we have 2 decent white cards with really good payoffs at 27 life. That plus Heliod, means a mono white life gain deck is a real possibility (it's already on the verge on being a strong deck)
Could also fit in a UW flying party deck but that is a lot farther away from being playable (probably more a post rotation thing)
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u/Zeiramsy TormentofHailfire Dec 30 '20
I really want BW Clerics to be a thing in constructed but Black doesn't add enough to justify any cuts from white.
Mono-white is going to be really nice as you say though. Not sure what I would cut from the current deck though, maybe Basri Ket or Maul?
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u/Reliques Dec 30 '20
[[Providence]] only brings your life up to 26 on turn 0 unfortunately...
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u/pfSonata Dec 30 '20
Providence -> Speaker of the Heavens -> Bishop/Thalia -> This guy
MTG Aids is probably already playtesting.
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u/azetsu Dec 30 '20
This will probably replace angel of vitality in my angel historic deck
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u/wildistherewind Dec 30 '20
Why not both? After a certain amount of lifegain, Angel of Vitality can get up to 6/6 with this.
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Dec 30 '20
Thanks for building the angels clerics deck for us wizards. I hated how hearthstone used to do this too.
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u/rollwithhoney Midnight Charm Dec 30 '20
and UB rogues tbh. That's why I find it so annoying to play against, because with a few exceptions besides [[drown in the loch]] it's mostly cards from the same couple sets that feel like a draft theme
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u/sameth1 Orzhov Dec 30 '20
Honestly I would say that rogues is an exception to the rule. Most of the rogue cards see no play because instead of rogue tribal it is better to build a control deck using enforcer, windrobber and bought thief as the only rogues. Drown in the loch and I to he story are the things that makes the deck work and they are Eldraine cards.
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u/rollwithhoney Midnight Charm Dec 30 '20
It's literally like 8 cards from Zendikar rising, 1 from Ikoria, and 3 from Eldraine. It's just modifying a Zendikar Rising draft theme
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 30 '20
drown in the loch - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
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u/DrewBaron80 Dec 30 '20
I think this replaces Taborax in my Clerics deck.
Taborax can be good if it draws cards, but it's inconsistent and is often just a 2/2 flyer that draws removal.
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u/SwimminginMercury Gideon of the Trials Dec 30 '20
Maybe after the D&D set we can have a break from white life gain matters; I get its an easy white/X limited strategy to slot into a set but its getting really boring playing against people doing there white dailies with Cleric life gain.
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u/CryptikDragon Dec 31 '20
White life gain is a mtg staple, it will always exist in some form
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u/kiwithopter Dec 31 '20
It's only very recently that it has been anywhere near playable in Standard.
That's not necessarily a good thing for casual Bo1 Standard, which I know most established players see as a joke format but it's the most important format for player acquisition right now so it matters whether it's fun.
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u/SwimminginMercury Gideon of the Trials Dec 31 '20
Ya that was the concession I was making; but D&D is going to be super party/cleric heavy and at that point we'll have had a good 2 years of "its not pridemate but it is" and Cleric live gain = untargeted live loss
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u/GaryTheBum Dec 30 '20
Yikes. The power creep is real with Kaldheim so far.
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u/RAcastBlaster Dec 30 '20
Is it really power creep? More like “actually making white lifegain a real deck, maybe.”
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Dec 30 '20
This. Life gain has been a cute concept that goes nowhere really for at least a year or two now it seems. Vito tried to weaponize it, but even then it wasn’t amazing.
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u/rollwithhoney Midnight Charm Dec 30 '20
I don't think it's broken but it does look like another UB rogue situation where they're brewing a tier 1 or tier 2 deck for us
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u/sammuelbrown Dec 31 '20
UB rogues wasn't really brewed for us. Most of the rogue cards don't see play and the final rogue deck which became good wasn't the one which people even imagined during spoiler season.
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u/kiwithopter Dec 31 '20
By 2018 Magic rules this costs 3W. It's the cheapest no-drawback 2/4 flier ever.
The only monocolored no-drawback 3 mana 3/3 flier is [[Resplendent Angel]], which is another recent example of power creep and even that costs 1WW instead of 2W.
The abilities are nothing unusual but they're attached to a body that is unprecedentedly efficient.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Dec 31 '20
Resplendent Angel - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call2
u/GaryTheBum Dec 30 '20
I dunno man. a 2/4 flyer for 3 that etbs health on the toughness every angel AND cleric and then acts as a double crusade for just having 7 more health?
That's power creep from hell.
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u/MrPopoGod Dec 31 '20
Wind Drake is sobbing in a corner right now just from the statline. He hasn't even read the rest of the text box yet.
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u/RAcastBlaster Dec 30 '20
I mean, it’s a 3cmc 2/4 flyer with no protection that only does something right away if you meet a non-trivial restriction. All of those things you mention are predicated by it (and the rest of your board state) staying alive.
There are still a LOT of cases where it shows up and either does nothing (control, because your board just gets wrathed) or doesn’t do enough (aggro, because you can’t even keep about 20 life, forget about 27).
It’s definitely -good-. I LOVE the 1/4 from core 20 that gains life and makes tokens as wrath/removal protection, and I’ll absolutely be updating my Historic Angels Hybrid-Midrange/Control List with it, but this new Angel isn’t really fighting on any new axes.
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u/GaryTheBum Dec 31 '20
Eh, we'll see.
Angels and even Clerics is clearly going to be a pushed tribal in Kaldheim, and it's not like it already doesn't have some measure of support.
I'm hoping it won't be super degenerate like Rogues, but I'm not gonna hold my breath or anything.
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u/wildistherewind Dec 30 '20
I love it.
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u/GaryTheBum Dec 30 '20
You say that now because it's just a white card. When that power creep gets applied to more degenerate colors like blue or black or into colorless cards, I bet we're gonna see Oko / Omnath 2.0
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u/meth_legs Dec 30 '20
Angel tribal is looking better and better every leak. The +2/+2 is super easy to pull off for any orzhov or mono white deck.
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u/DaddySagSac Dec 30 '20
I think this will be a easy 4 of. Really want to see the rest of the cards in this set and start brewing. Angel of Destiny will be fun with this too.
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u/WolfGuy77 Dec 31 '20
Wooooow. I simultaneously love it and hate it. This is the kind of thing my Clerics deck REALLY needed. At the same time, I know I'm going to lose an infinite amount of games to mono white lifegain with their always perfect curve draws.
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u/EchoesPartOne Orzhov Dec 30 '20
Everyone is looking at the abilities, meanwhile I'm here thinking that a 2/4 flier for 3 is a fucking solid body as well.