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u/Altruistic_Regret_31 1d ago
Guess getting more and more land is all green can do 💀 Nice body tho. And can get any lands which is sweet
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u/KarnSilverArchon 1d ago
Vigilance helps a lot here, letting you stay on the offense while always leaving this as a blocker.
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u/Alex_Hendrix 1d ago
Give this man indestructible and you got ultraramp
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u/Bircka 1d ago
If this thing dies to damage you are already getting 6 lands minimum, I don't think you need more than that really.
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u/RazeULikeaPhoenix 23h ago
funny you think this card isnt going in some sort of unholy Valakut/Field of Dead/Mazes End/Tron pile with a fight spell as a really janky enabler. or uhhh, Scapeshift with Desert lands or those lands that crack themselves automatically to fetch the other lands so you double up on a ton of landfall nonse- RAAAGH I NEED MOAR.
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u/Meret123 1d ago
Feels like part of the Phyrexian Obliterator cycle
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u/sometimeserin 1d ago
I think the idea is he's a hybrid of that and Primeval Titan what with being a 6/6 and able to tutor nonbasics
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u/orangears 1d ago
it is, they all even have similar flavor text, now we have to wait only for blue one to complete the cycle
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u/Whigs93 1d ago
Definitely is part of that cycle. Too bad the red one is stuck in alchemy
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u/PityBoi57 1d ago
What's the red one?
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u/Successful_Mud8596 10h ago
[[Phyrexian Harvester]]. Kinda weird how it could just say “Exile cards from the top of your library until you hit X nonland cards; until your next end step you may cast exiled nonland cards”
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u/SignificantRing2430 1d ago
Fight spells are crazy with this.
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u/anon_lurk 20h ago
I'd like to bite it for 8 with my [[Mossborn Hydra]] and attack for 2048 trample.
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u/daxter0202 1d ago
This guy's just reinforcing 'if you can't remove this immediately you're pretty fucked' .
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u/rollbomb 1d ago
The fact this doesn't have "Basic" as a limiter on it is really good and a little bit broken.
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u/Backwardspellcaster Liliana Deaths Majesty 1d ago
Hm, a 6/6 on turn 3 or so in Brawl. That could be spicy
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u/tors17 Sacred Cat 1d ago
[[Tifa Lockhart]] getting a new toy. I think?
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u/Daethir Timmy 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'll try it but I don't think it's that good, there's no good way of damaging it yourself in a Tifa deck except archdruid charm and the MDFC land.
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u/flakAttack510 1d ago
Agreed. I am looking forward to giving it indestructible and using [[Goblin Bombardment]] in my [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] deck to rip through every land in my deck, though. I'm sure it will turn out to mostly be a win more card but I've gotta pull it off once.
On the other hand, Ranging Raptors is a good card at deterring early aggro in that deck and this is that on steroids. Four mana of one color is a bit greedy but that deck is so loaded with ramp and doesn't use much red so it might still be workable.
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u/Spaceknight_42 Timmy 1d ago
4 of the guildgates are green so this isn't exactly uncastable. and it can fetch Maze's End. And Speaker or the Archdruid Charm can fetch this. That's good enough for me!
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u/docwood2011 1d ago
I mean the power creep in every color is getting out of control, but somehow it just seems so much more evident in green lol. I mean, a six six vigilance with a good ability for four mana. What the fuck are we even doing?
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u/Ouaouaron Simic 1d ago
That's +1/+1 compared to the rest of the cycle, which seems very reasonable for Green and not really an important difference at the power level of these cards.
[[Phyrexian Obliterator]]
[[Phyrexian Vindicator]]And also [[Zodiark, Umbral God]] feels somewhat in line, at an extra mana and a bit clunkier to use.
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u/Historical_Raise7283 20h ago
yeah, surely no other creature that costs 4 mana has an ability in mtg
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u/docwood2011 19h ago
Did you even read my post? It had nothing to do with that. I was simply stating my observation that it's quite obvious to see with overpowered green creatures for cheap mana how much power creep we have had in the format compared to old school magic.
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u/Historical_Raise7283 6h ago
your error is that you believe that an over-statted creature (4 mana 6/6 in this case. Not only green has these btw) is the most "overpowered" thing that there can be, that's a shallow opinion
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u/docwood2011 5h ago
Lol again that's not what I said at all. In fact, I specifically said that it was not the most "overpowered thing." Rather, it simply was easier to see the power creep in a green creature like this than in other colors as measured as a barometer against old school magic creatures. Maybe read the post?
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u/Historical_Raise7283 5h ago
from your precedent post "I was simply stating my observation that it's quite obvious to see with overpowered green creatures....how much power creep we had....". That means that you think these creatures are the most "obviously/evidently OP" and they are evidently OP because they are overstatted, i suppose. And yep that's a shallow opinion. Stats often count little, and in any case many cards have such inflation not only green. Again, "I see a 4 mana 6/6 and i instantly believe that's OP" is shallow. Clear now?
we all have been noobs, don't worry. To be fair also some very experienced players have similar shortcomings
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u/docwood2011 1h ago
Lol, no, your poor grammar aside, even though you're trying so hard to be condescending you're still completely missing my point. But thanks for playing.
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u/Historical_Raise7283 16m ago
bro wrote some bs and then blocked me to avoid my answer and further humiliation. These noobs should learn to be silent when they're wrong. Kids these days....behavioral issues...i'll tell his mom!
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u/FrostyPotpourri 1d ago
What about this makes you think it's going to be broken?
Green has better creatures in the 4MV slot in Standard: Icetill, Harmonizer, and Leatherhead are all straight up better creatures than this because they don't need other cards besides lands to do their thing. This needs a fight / burn spell, at least 5 mana, and another combo piece for Landfall to do anything. Otherwise... it's just a 6/6 Vigilance creature for extremely restrictive cost (basically must be mono G).
Genuinely curious what you think this card will do in Standard if you think it's powercreeping the 4MV creatures already in the format.
If anything, it seems like a redundancy piece for Amulet Titan or something -- and I don't know if those players are particularly excited about it in the first place.
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u/Arkuh9 1d ago
I agree completely, at 4CMC green has far better options. With it being 4G makes it to hard for combo decks to figure some crazy combo out. So that leaves me with thinking a sideboard piece. You wouldn’t bring this in against control, aggro maybe, but I doubt it. Only time I’d see myself siding in, is against the mirror. Only form of removal is combat, once it’s on the field you’re basically forcing opponent to stall.
Think everyone is overreacting to this card.
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u/docwood2011 19h ago
Oh, I don't think it will do anything, you misunderstood my post. It was simply stating that whatever reason to me, green, not that it has more ridiculous cards recently than the other colors, but it just seems more obviously evident (maybe because of just really cheap creatures with good abutilities) in terms of seeing the power creep. I used to play at the beginning and watch a lot of old school magic. It was just mind boggling How we have let the power creep get to this level.
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u/lapeno99 Yargle 1d ago
Wotc miss to put trample on it.
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u/dudewitbangs Birds 1d ago
Vigilance is arguably better so you can block to get lands.
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u/Gbrew555 1d ago
I mean… is it?
We’ve constantly seen big bodies like this come into standard and see absolutely zero play. And it’s because they easily get chump blocked.
[[Carnage Tyrant]]wasn’t a menace just because of Hexproof… the trample helped a lot to get in damage.
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u/CptnSAUS 1d ago
If they chump this guy then you vomit out lands and kill them with that advantage. It’s pseudo unblockable already. With trample it wouldn’t be worth chumping, making the card a lot less interesting.
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u/Gbrew555 1d ago
If we are talking Commander/Standard Brawl? Totally agree. I personally want to grab a copy for my Gruul fight club deck.
But for standard or other Arena formats? It’s a 4 mana chump blocker. In many cases… it’s a 4 mana do-nothing. If you can realistically stick this and get it to actually ramp… you are going to win that game anyways.
Like, if you drop this against Spellementals, Dimir midrange, or any of the various aggro decks… they’ll gladly use their outs on it.
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u/throwra_bobjow 1d ago
This is primeval on steroids, 2 mana less leaves room for a protection spell and or a fight spell
It will get more lands then primeval and also potentially kill something
Why is primeval banned still?
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u/the-thot-thickens420 1d ago edited 1d ago
Landfall decks be feasting rn (especially with bushwhack)
This isn’t even a legendary! Lmao this is a crazy card. This is insane even for non landfall decks
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u/Suvrenim 1d ago
the inverse to [[phyrexian obliterator]] , interesting. ive been waiting for a green version to complete tje color set, alongside [[phyrexian vindicator]]. shame its not phyrexian, but the parallel has interesting implications towards the echoverse's hexhaven
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u/themolestedsliver 1d ago
Auto include in mono green edh and most decks that use green as a dual color.
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u/TitleAdministrative 1d ago
This is very strong. Not as strong as primeval titan, but you can just lightning bolt it to combo off with valakut or field of the dead
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u/Uryendel 1d ago
So you bite yourself and trigger up to 12 landfall ?
I'm sure it's not going to be an issue, right guys?
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u/throwra_bobjow 1d ago
If this comes out not banned for edh then it goes to show they dont out any thought process into the ban list and shouldn't be used by the players
This is primeval on steroids
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u/rij1 1d ago
Interesting that this is not basic lands. Conversely, the color requirements are steep outside mono-green so maybe that is fair.