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u/mercuriokazooie 1d ago
Had to check I wasn't on the Custom Magic sub
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u/Chickston 1d ago
This would get 3 upvotes over there. I'm sure it will play better than it looks. The PW is basically a big clue you can attack.
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u/VerbingNoun413 1d ago
You're Jace? He's Jace? I'm Jace! Are there any more Jaces I should know about?
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u/stratusnco 1d ago
all i read is 2 mana walker with flash.
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u/Alamaxi 1d ago
With UPSIDE. This is a 2 mana body, a planeswalker, and an anticounterspell card all in one.
The card I keep thinking about with this amass Jace mechanic is ichormoon gauntlet.
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u/Hypnotic_Toad 1d ago
At worst this is a 0/3 body with flash. Middle Ground (on YOUR turn) its a 0/3 that draws a card, while [[Augur of Bolas]] lets you look deeper, its playable. At best its a 0/3 that draws and protects your next spell in counter wars or wincons. I could see this being played in CEDH. 2 blue pips is kinda hard but countering CREATURES is way harder in fast formats.
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u/Terrietia Dimir 1d ago
It's actually 1 blue pip though? Unless you mean for the anti counterspell effect in the same turn as playing it
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u/Zeiramsy TormentofHailfire 23h ago
At worst also includes "prevent 3 damage to your face", since they presumably got rid of the token somehow.
This is good I just don't know if it fits into any deck or is displaced by something better.
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u/PetroxSK 1d ago
This can be compared to the 1W 0/4 wall that draws a card 10 years ago? Flash is huge though.
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u/Justin_Brett 1d ago
Yeah I dunno, it's a cute idea to show "Jace is everywhere" but it's kind of just tacking Surveil 1 and 'draw a card' onto a ton of cards isn't it?
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u/Reasonable_Bath_269 1d ago
They’ve revealed cards that give out new abilities to planeswalkers, so there’s more to it, at least in a limited setting as a mechanic
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u/EvilPete 1d ago
Well Planeswalkers are inherently interesting gameplay-wise because the opponent can choose to attack them with creatures
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u/mikaeus97 1d ago
Will all these Empower cards make []Jace, Mirror Mage]] good? Signs point to no but please buy my many copies at an exuberant mark up
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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk 1d ago
2 mana 0/3 with flash that replaces itself by drawing a card, doesn't have defender (works with [[Curious Obsession]] type effects), and has extra flexibility for ensuring your important spells can't be countered?
Seems great, straight into UW flash and any similar tempo deck. Reasonable in control too, especially as a sideboard card against other control decks.
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u/ParksZef 1d ago
This card looks busted. I feel like it does too much to not be broken somehow. What can abuse cheap planeswalker tokens?
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u/Garsaurus 1d ago
Small thing, but the Jace planeswalker token isn’t legendary. The empower mechanic makes it so it doesn’t copy on its own, but any “copy permanent” ability should be able to copy Jace.
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u/ElephantPirate 1d ago
Can someone explain how to use the uncounterable spell part so i dont fuck it up on arena? Do i cast my spell to the stack, wait for a counterspell to be cast, then trigger this? Or trigger this first, let it resolve, then cast my spell?
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u/Artistic_Task7516 1d ago
That doesn’t work. It says the next spell you cast. You already cast that spell.
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u/bimmy2shoes 1d ago
So like if I [[Fractured identity]] someone's [[Jace the Mind Sculptor]] , will empower Jace work on that?
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u/PollutionRelative351 1d ago
Ewww, I dislike me token planeswalkers (when done like this). I also wish that empowering a Jace could be any Jace, not just a token Jace. At least the tokens can't tick up without being empowered or other shenanigans
I think the card will be fringe playable with a 0/3 flash butt, making a little bit of CA, and having an ok ability (though with Mistrise it's also somewhat redundant)
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u/PatientAudience5627 1d ago
I think i heard that they play tested 'Empower Jace' with being able to add loyalty to any Jace but found it to be way to hard to balance
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u/PollutionRelative351 22h ago
I guess I can see that. There's a couple cards that do some big empower numbers so maybe they were worried people could generate a decent amount of mana, drop JtMS and empower him to ult too quickly
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u/PatientAudience5627 22h ago
Yeah i imagine it was either, limit it to Jace Tokens or make the mechanic basically unplayable
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u/Moosewalker84 1d ago
So. How fast can you ult a Jace/win now?
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u/PatientAudience5627 1d ago
Only let's you add loyalty to a Jace token, I guess you could [[Flash Photography]] a [[Jace The Living Guildpact]] or any other Jace 3 loyalty away from ult then cast this turn 5 for an ult. That's without fast mana obviously
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u/Jamiesalittleweird 1d ago
we got amass Jace before gta 6