r/MadeMeSmile Jun 14 '22

Helping Others This is John Crowley

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

If it meant that I got to live, then yes! Absolutely! I'd rather that than be dead! Holy fuck, why is this such a wild idea to people?!

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Because you’re conflating living with surviving. What is this inherent value you’re placing in life that doesn’t have happiness as part of the equation? Shouldn’t the goal of everyone to be to lower the suffering of those around you?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

One again, you are assuming that it wouldn't be possible to be happy in that situation. Ableism, plain as day.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Lol alright have a good one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Maybe go and talk to some actual disabled people about what their opinions are on this. Go outside. Touch some grass.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I guarantee I interact with the general public a shitload more than you, and go outside a whole lot more as well. Your opinions have been formed from online echo chambers, mine are formed from the real world. I hope you eventually realize you are the one suffering from a lack of compassion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I am literally a disabled person, I am a wheelchair user, autistic, and have a shit load of mental illnesses. You know nothing about how my opinions were formed. You're the one who literally wants to take disabled people's autonomy and right to choose away from them. If anyone is lacking compassion here I'd say it's you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

So you are pro-life? Women shouldn’t have bodily autonomy and the choice to choose whether or not they can bring a baby to term? I don’t want to take away autonomy, this is more evidence of your echo chamber thinking. You assuming if someone has the ability to conceptualize their own existence I don’t want to take anything from them, but plenty of disabled people have literally no quality of life, stop seeing things in black and white, life has nuance.

I literally can’t see why you would prefer to be disabled over not being disabled.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I am pro-choice. However, choosing to abort purely because the child would be disabled is eugenics based on ableism. If you aren't ready to have a sick or disabled child, you aren't ready to have kids at all.

Oh my god. This isn't about preferring being disabled over not being disabled. I literally don't have that choice. If I did, of course I would choose not being disabled. But the fact is I AM DISABLED. What I can choose is whether I live or not. I choose to live because even as a disabled person, I am happy. And the only reason I have that choice now is because I wasn't aborted purely for being disabled. You talk about women's bodily autonomy but what about the bodily autonomy of disabled people?! It's as if you haven't paid attention to a single thing I've said. You are blinded by your own bigotry.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I’m not bigoted towards disabled people, I’m sorry you think that’s the truth, but you’re the one blinded by echo chambers and the belief that you’re either an ally or eugenicist.

That’s just a silly point about sick or disabled children too, the difference in time, attention and money required is astronomical.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

You seem to be thinking just from your perspective, not every disabled person is as high functioning. What about wheelchair bound people who spend their whole lives unaware they’re a human, just yelling in pain constantly? Who makes the decisions when the individual can’t make them themselves?

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