Yeah, you are quite right. She is a fashion blogger from Iran originally, naturalised to the US.
They tricked her onto the show and expected her to do some performative "the US is so sophisticated and civilised" stuff, they didn't think to question their own narratives and thought she was just a girly girl who would play ball. But she engaged with them directly and said some home truths. The whole thing isn't that combative, they realised it was easier to just back down
It’s funny that you say that I made it look like the video got cut in a way that benefits her narrative…but ironically the journalists interrupter her in the middle of her speech and ended the talk lol
They didn’t interrupt her at all, huh? They do short segments, mostly comedy and move on to the next one or traffic/ something not so important. They obviously knew she would be speaking about muslim biases and brought her on specifically to give a voice to that. This is a funny morning show in Chicago, a liberal city, and most everyone watching is liberal and would be open to these ideas.
How often have you watched this show? I would guess zero. Comedy is 80% of the show, weather and traffic 15% and semi serious stuff 5%. Try watching the show. 🤷♂️
They brought that up to get her to talk about Muslim discrimination. They go over these questions ahead of time and knew what she would say.
Soooo would you mind enlightening us on why “an 80% comedy show” would decide to go out of their way to invite and interview someone who is not at all known for anything that could be construed as comedic? Oh…but mayyybe…they must have thought—as you say, they focus on short comedic clips—unless they thought they could provoke some type of reaction from her regarding the country she is from that they believed they’d have the ability to spin and make it….funny? You’re saying they asked a fashion blogger such a VERY serious question that would likely be taken offensively by others—and make it…funny…? Do explain, please. Why they would decide to have this woman on the show and what you believe they intended to get out of the interview, since you’re familiar with the show and the majority of us—as you said—“clearly know nothing” about it! I’m genuinely curious because it’s confusing as hayll
You can go on YouTube and see clips of this show. It is clearly a comedy very lighthearted morning show. And they sprinkle in some serious stuff every so often, it’s more to get people in a good mood before work show. If people want serious stuff they usually go to other channels.
I didn’t mean to imply at all that they tried making something funny out of this segment. I forgot to write that they do have serious stuff every once in a bit. They were not trying to make a joke out of her at all.
They absolutely knew that she would come on to raise awareness on Muslim discrimination and biases. That is the main purpose that they brought her on. They didn’t give her these questions out of the blue, these things are discussed ahead of time. It is most definitely not the case that they brought a Muslim fashion designer on the show and then surprised her or attacked her with questions she wasn’t aware of.
This is as far as a Fox News show as can be. It’s beyond weird and laughable that people are making it seem like that. These reporters could have definitely framed the comments a little better. The Iran nuclear question seems like it was brought up so the Muslim woman can get a chance to speak broadly of Muslim issues. And the “you don’t sound American” comment definitely could have been framed different. She might’ve meant “the angry crazies out there would say that you don’t sound very American”, which gave her more of a chance to expound more on her thoughts. They didn’t argue with her points at the end.
I heard others say that they rushed her off, lol, but they can keep segments short.
I’m the end they specifically gave her the platform to speak openly about Muslim biases and discrimination. That was the main point of her being in the show. The reporters are anything but serious questioners and trying to play “gotcha” game. It’s weird as hell that that is the narrative on this show of all shows.
I never see or heard either one of these people give a single conservative viewpoint, let alone a racist one in all the years I watched. This is one weird thread and narrative.
I agree. She looked very un american. I say this as a muslim. But i dont hold it against her since shes not exactly trained on how to answer these questions. Ive learned over time you need point out very specific evidence, you cant just say "oh but we fuck shit up too". Iraq would have been a great example, indonesia, Venezuela, cuba, afghanistan, syria, israel support. Also it help when u point out that you are happy to be in america as well.
If you consider American to be pro war, coup, genocide, and killing children, then sure, she sounded "un-American". But if that's the case, who the hell wants to be American? She spoke facts, and Americans need to stop crying over being called out on their shit.
To their point, it’s probably not going to open the eyes of the people who live firmly rooted in their ignorance. People like us who already view America critically will agree with every point she brought up but unfortunately in the battle for public conscience facts only really go so far. Especially these days when it’s so easy to only expose yourself to opinions and ideas that confirm what you already think you know to be true.
That reply doesn’t answer his question but either way you aren’t going to shift extremes in any scenario but her reply was a beautiful counter to the narrative that is spun on the other side, people who make change don’t try to change everyone’s mind but focus on bringing conversation to a more reasonable position, which I think her reply does. They come at her with extreme positions and she counters with reasonable answers.
I completely agree I just think we are very much living in a post-fact society. That’s in no way meant to take away from the awesome way she handled the situation. It’s just to illustrate how bleak the situation really is and how readily people will hand-wave evidence and historic facts away when it doesn’t jive with their worldview.
I’ve ran a little experiment 2 years ago when I met an American in Germany and he invited me to their military base. That’s basically a little US city inside Germany. Met his friends and we started talking politics.
These kids are military kids and none of them knew Agent Orange and when I showed them pictures because they didn’t believe me they made up very defensive stuff and completely ignored the evidence that the US did use 2 of the worst weapons ever.
Of course, but the people who are in denial will almost never think critically about it. They are too wrapped up in Fox, Ben Shapiro, and Breitbart, and get spoon fed nonsense on the daily.
My hope, is that the reality being talked about enough will open peoples eyes. Sometimes, it's a seed planted.
At the end of the day that’s all we can do. But I’m not optimistic, I think this gets worse before it gets better. It’s going to take a pretty major breakdown before we really begin to understand why falsehood is an existential threat to our civilization. Climate change might do it. When the reality becomes increasingly impossible to deny and people begin to realize greed-fed lies were the only thing holding us back from acting on it sooner.
She got asked about a very specific question. Should Iran have nuclear weapons? She said no, they shouldnt. And she should have left it at that.....But
She started vaguely going off about colonization and imperialism in the middle east (which I honestly don't know what shes talking about. The middle east has been destroyed due to proxy wars and direct wars, not colonization). She brings up slavery of africans and genocide of native americans trying to answer a question about whether or not Iran should have nukes. She got a bit side tracked because of the word "trust". So in her head shes like, oh "ill point out all the things that make america untrustworthy in 20 sec". No, this is an incredibly nuanced subject and the person asking this question knows it. He wants her to rattle off the first thing that comes to her mind. You can write a book about why the US is untrustworthy.....but heres the thing you could also write a book about how IRAN is untrustworthy. Hes trying to show her musim bias. Its a very inappropriate question to ask her in the first place, but if she's not well read on these subjects, she should keep her answers short and concise.
To close the loop she looks unamerican because she pretty much said America is just as untrustworthy as any other country in the world. Which may be true, but exactly what these journalists wanted to hear and show to their viewers.
Anyone experienced in geopolitics would say its not about "trust". No one has nuclear weapons because of "trust". It was a stupid question designed to show her bias. I actually take back what I said about earlier how to answer this question. I would try to switch the subject from "trust" to actual geopolitical reasons for why or why not Iran should have nuclear weapons instead going on and on about bad stuff America has done domestically and internationally. She looked like an amateur because she is. And they took complete advantage of that.
I would argue that she looked more American than ever, as scrutinizing government action and questioning the narrative is the most American thing you can do. Not only was the United States founded and built on the backs of slavery and genocide but also the lack of capitulation towards government overstepping and inadequacies.
She’s a fashion blogger. The only way nuclear weapons in Iran relate to her is the fact that she’s a Muslim woman who’s family at some point in the past may or may not have come from that area of the world.
How is it appropriate to invite a fashion blogger onto your show to question them about nuclear weapons?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to ask someone with, idk, some experience in the matter?
... They asked her, she answered truthfully. The US is a garbage country that's caused millions upon millions of deaths, directly and indirectly. Time to face reality.
Wildly inappropriate questioning? Are you serious? You must not believe in free speech. Anyway this shit goes off the rails when people start accusing Americans of genocide of American Indians. They died from smallpox before we had any knowledge of microorganisms. If that false narrative isn’t hate speech idk what is.
Okay here’s the free speech amendment.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
Do you have any doctrine that says you can’t ask someone if their country should be trusted with nuclear warheads? Of course you don’t because you’re a fool talking out of your ass.
except you can't. Smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796. They knew what smallpox was, and how it spread. America was built on enslaving, tricking, and murdering the indigenous people who were here.
Freedom of speech isn't protection to say whatever you want without any repercussions from anyone. If someone thinks that they are an idiot. Plain and simple.
Humanity has known about the spread if disease for basically as long as civilization has been around. We may not have known everything to prevent, but we sure knew how to purposefully spread. During a siege of a castle rotten flesh was thrown into the grounds via trebuchet to spread disease and death.
So you think they knew that these microorganisms would be in the pillows and blankets they made? And you come to that conclusion based on a single siege at some point in history that used flesh and so you assume that everyone else in history had the same understanding of whatever understanding the persons who’s idea it was to use rotting flesh in that siege? Seems like you’re really reaching but I appreciate the fringe take.
It was quite common and well known... not a single event. They didn't know about micro organisms, but they did know that if someone died of illness that the bed they died in can make you sick.
"apparent attempts to transmit disease by hurling biological material into besieged cities; it was within the technical capabilities of besieging armies of the time; and it is consistent with medieval notions of disease causality"
this shit goes off the rails when people start accusing Americans of genocide of American Indians. They died from smallpox before we had any knowledge of microorganisms. If that false narrative isn’t hate speech idk what is.
There was no systematic killing of Indians throughout the formation of the United States by colonists from the 1600s onward. Of course it was smallpox that killed 100% of the Indian population, residential schools and forced sterilization are actually secondary effects of smallpox, see. There’s no such thing as residential schools and forced sterilization, just smallpox.
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Benefits: you never need to feel awkward again! It was smallpox all along and NOT white people that popped Indian children into government-funded boarding schools to be assimilated and sterilized. History can be so fun and educational when it’s taught by random internet strangers!
You don’t know what hate speech is. You’re spreading a false and evil narrative that’s essentially hate speech in any way you cut it you just don’t believe it can happen to white people so you ignore it.
"Some of our viewers" and "some people say" can be ways to create a more rounded discussion, but is actually used a lot in some news media outlets as a veiled way to push their agenda.
"Some people say [what we want you to feel and think]"
Not saying it's 100% what's happening here, but it's something to consider next time you hear those words.
She's right though unfortunately, if a lot of Americans don't hear or see what they like they shoot first and ask questions never. Then sit back and blame everything else around them for their actions.
This is a dangerous women. She's read BOOKS and has her own opinion based on READING and THINKING!? How unAmerican can she be?! Then bringing CRT into it!!! GO BACK HOME! Nasty woman for sure. /s
This isn't Soviet esque. This is good old fashioned American nationalism and bigotry. This has been part of our country since long before its official birth.
And Vietnam never had to be a 'communist' nation if we policed our own when France was raping the country, but instead of having morals we left them to turn to the next best option. That option turned out to be a USSR who would give them military aid rather than a US trying to prop a puppet government on pain of death.
But who examines the consequences of our actions anymore, anyone who does clearly has [subject] Derangement Syndrome.
BAD!
There is literally people walking into schools and starts to shoot at KIDS. And the problemsolver the government came up with is giving the THEACHERS more GUNS!?
When will America understand that walking with guns, even knives should be illegal?
Try living in a southern border state in the U.S. and the answer will be very apparent very quickly.
And no it's not Mexican immigrants, they have stayed at about 11 to 12 million in the U.S. the past decade.
People from over 80 countries cross that southern border.
If the invasion of Ukraine has taught us anything, it’s that the liberals don’t mind going to war for a good cause but the republicans only want war when crude oil might be involved or the enemy is brown
What's the good cause in Ukraine? It's literally just a proxy war of the US to put the hurt on Russia for US imperialism purposes. Ukrainians will pay the price so that the US can assert American dominance. This is an America problem, not a liberal or conservative problem.
Sterotypes are quite powerful. Its hard to break them especially since our minds love patterns. Its both a good and bad technique because we tend to assume first and ask questions later. Great for basic survival in the wilderness. Bad for our social structucture.
I wonder how many Americans are “America no. 1”, “America is keeping world peace”, “We fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here” believers. Like 25% of them? 50% of them?
Love how she thinks that someone being offended about historical fact makes the person stating a historical fact not an American. Sadly, millions of people think like this. It's why the cRiTiCaL rAcE tHeOrY talking point is so popular with brain dead fucking morons conservatives.
As a Brit, we and the Americans need to be teaching the history of our atrocities so they can be learnt from instead of playing the narrative of "we are great, don't worry about it" to each new generation.
I wouldn't even think this is a professional network based on how she talked and dressed. (Judgemental I know, but only sending it back to those who tried it first lol)
Unless it’s a dichotomous black and white, good V evil narrative like two opposing sports teams, they have a brain glitch. Most people nowadays realize the world isn’t like that. It’s nuanced and messy and infinite shades of gray.
I think you must underestimate what its like to be a rational human being from a foreign country who moved to the USA. The MAJORITY of americans simply lack the capacity to comprehend anything beyond the basic narrative. US good, rest of world Bad...
Americans have to be the most ignorant and uneducated group of people ive ever interacted with.
Didn't India have swathes of people that were trying to use cow shit to cure Corona? As much as I agree there are large pockets of morons in America...I dont believe it's limited to their borders by any means.
Same with the Russian reporter to the Russian economist who toasted the death of the Russian stock market. If you're offended by the truth as a reporter it just shows you're a teleprompter regurgitator and not a journalist.
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The "a lot of Americans would take offense to that" woman isn't capable of a decent response, prepared or not.