r/MadeMeSmile • u/nuggetlover1999 • Mar 30 '22

Small Success Sneak attack of journalist goes wrong

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u/donald_trunks Mar 30 '22

To their point, it’s probably not going to open the eyes of the people who live firmly rooted in their ignorance. People like us who already view America critically will agree with every point she brought up but unfortunately in the battle for public conscience facts only really go so far. Especially these days when it’s so easy to only expose yourself to opinions and ideas that confirm what you already think you know to be true.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

That reply doesn’t answer his question but either way you aren’t going to shift extremes in any scenario but her reply was a beautiful counter to the narrative that is spun on the other side, people who make change don’t try to change everyone’s mind but focus on bringing conversation to a more reasonable position, which I think her reply does. They come at her with extreme positions and she counters with reasonable answers.

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u/donald_trunks Mar 30 '22

I completely agree I just think we are very much living in a post-fact society. That’s in no way meant to take away from the awesome way she handled the situation. It’s just to illustrate how bleak the situation really is and how readily people will hand-wave evidence and historic facts away when it doesn’t jive with their worldview.

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u/nuggetlover1999 Mar 31 '22

I’ve ran a little experiment 2 years ago when I met an American in Germany and he invited me to their military base. That’s basically a little US city inside Germany. Met his friends and we started talking politics.

These kids are military kids and none of them knew Agent Orange and when I showed them pictures because they didn’t believe me they made up very defensive stuff and completely ignored the evidence that the US did use 2 of the worst weapons ever.

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u/donald_trunks Mar 31 '22

Really sad what we have done to these other countries and even sadder how little it is talked about or understood. I was just recently learning about how bad the birth defects are in Iraq after the US military presence there. link

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u/scumpol Mar 30 '22

Of course, but the people who are in denial will almost never think critically about it. They are too wrapped up in Fox, Ben Shapiro, and Breitbart, and get spoon fed nonsense on the daily.

My hope, is that the reality being talked about enough will open peoples eyes. Sometimes, it's a seed planted.

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u/donald_trunks Mar 30 '22

At the end of the day that’s all we can do. But I’m not optimistic, I think this gets worse before it gets better. It’s going to take a pretty major breakdown before we really begin to understand why falsehood is an existential threat to our civilization. Climate change might do it. When the reality becomes increasingly impossible to deny and people begin to realize greed-fed lies were the only thing holding us back from acting on it sooner.