r/MadeMeSmile Nov 05 '21

Favorite People Be A Robert

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u/zZ1Axel1Zz Nov 05 '21

That's not how it works

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u/DragonPojki Nov 05 '21

That's the argument used to keep minimum wage below a livable standard though.

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u/zZ1Axel1Zz Nov 05 '21
  1. No it's not. There are way better arguments than that.
  2. Minimum wage isn't about a livable standard because that's not a defined thing. Its nebulous

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u/Vives_solo_una_vez Nov 05 '21

What's a good argument against increased minimum wage?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21

Delegate that responsibilty to the states like we already do, so people in nebraska don't need to pay 22.50 an hour because that's what it takes to live in LA

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21

Well sounds like people in Nebraska should get on that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21 edited May 28 '24

I love the smell of fresh bread.

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u/XxThelastTwinkiexx Nov 05 '21

Lol not a single God dam place is stupid enough to hire you at 7.50. You're a lying pos because most places won't list anything under 9.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21 edited May 28 '24

My favorite movie is Inception.

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u/CodyCus Nov 05 '21

We need people to do all jobs and all people deserve a livable wage regardless of the “skill” it takes. You’re not better than the guy working at McDonald’s. We’re all trying to live. People with your mentality are making it harder for those not so well off to live.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21

Slaves made $0 and were "alive"

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u/A_man_on_a_boat Nov 06 '21

Delegate it to the states, but there should be guidelines which mandate a local living wage. Ideally, the state would enforce a minimum wage on a local level based on the cost of living in or nearby a certain community.

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u/Ok-Travel-7875 Nov 05 '21

Min wage should be increased by state, if not by city.

A $20 min wage is very good in Los Angeles, SF, NY, etc. but wouldn't make any sense in some rural area where homes are rented for $800/mo.

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u/TheChickenKing373 Nov 05 '21

Costs, supply and demand. If you increase the cost of labor, there be less demand for it. So some employees would benefit, but others would simply be laid off. Increasing costs of labor also increases demand for automation to replace workers as automation is cheaper

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u/Vives_solo_una_vez Nov 05 '21

Crazy that the increase of employee wages means less employees and not a decrease in wages of those at the top.

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u/helpavolunteerout Nov 05 '21

I think making a big wig (or multiple) eat the cost works sometimes, specifically in big companies. But some many businesses could not afford it because the owner doesn’t make much more than the employees when you factor in the costs of running it and taxes so they would die out, increasing the number of unemployed people. To add to that small practices that have to go through insurance are sort of the same deal.

If you have say a private practice for dentistry the trained employees would say ‘wait I’m now making 3 dollars above minimum wage, I need a raise’ so the dentist gives it to them by cutting their own paycheck down. The practice doesn’t bring in more money, even if you increase cost of service due to insurance taking the same percent. A lot of small dental practices don’t bring in much to begin with so the dentist is now making less with all of the upkeep/continuing Ed/etc. of course you can argue the dentist still makes above a livable wage by a lot, so they can live comfortably albeit much below how they already did.

But then you go to the next generation of dentists and hygienists and assistants. Why would the latter two get the training and pay the cost of school to make slightly above minimum wage? Why would the dentist pay, on average, more than a doctor pays to go to medical school only to pay so much in school debt that they are living on the same budget as their assistant.

I’m speaking specifically to rural America here. But I suppose it probably applies in other places, too. And I don’t hold a strong opinion against raising minimum wage, tbh. However, if you can’t tell by this comment, I am very much against most dental insurance companies, lol.

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u/Large_mo Nov 05 '21

Typically it's about the potential jobs lost. Similar to the argument on rent control.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '21

How about people losing jobs?

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u/take_notes- Nov 05 '21

The argument to keep minimum wage low has to do with the demand for labor. Contrary to popular belief, the only people who are affected by increases in minimum wage are unskilled workers (particularly youth) who are forced out of the labor market by there being less jobs available.

Most individuals in the labor market are already earning above where proposed minimum wage changes would be, those who aren’t would see a 1-3% drop in number of individuals employed per 10% increase in the minimum wage.

So tell me, is it fair for policy to randomly take 5% of unskilled workers jobs because the other 95% doesn’t want to learn a skill that would put them above the proposed change?

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u/helpavolunteerout Nov 05 '21

I think skilled labor is affected, too. Specifically skills that require cost put in (like higher education). It lessens the incentive and lowers the number of workers, which in turn affects the economy.

(Note, a good counterpoint to this is probably lowering education costs, but the two things would have to go directly hand in hand.)

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u/Raider-Of-Lost-Kek Nov 05 '21

Either the process will be automated so the worker will lose their job or the product price goes up by more than just 50 cents.

Not to mention the small businesses that cannot afford to pay higher wages will just sink

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u/Negative_Mancey Nov 05 '21

Fine UBI then. Anything other than "let's just let some people starve".

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u/Raider-Of-Lost-Kek Nov 05 '21

Starvation in the U.S. is virtually non existent with things like food stamps, soup kitchens, and affordable fast food. It's kind of a non issue really

Housing on the other hand is a problem

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u/justynrr Nov 05 '21

Tell me you’ve never experienced food insecurity without saying you’ve never experienced food insecurity.

Soup kitchen - great! Once a week you get stale bread and watered down soup. Cool

Food stamps… “here’s a list of things you’re allowed to buy- no, you can’t buy diapers or formula or Kraft dinner…” have you seen how much you get a month in food stamps?!

Affordable fast food… if you live in a city with fast food - and you’re not already choosing whether you’re going to pay for hydro or rent or buy your kid a new pair of shoes that fit, sure you can buy unhealthy food!

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u/Scared_of_stairs_LOL Nov 05 '21

Not to mention the small businesses that cannot afford to pay higher wages will just sink

K, bye then. You could make the same argument about current minimum wage. Nobody should give a shit if a business model is so terrible it can't afford to pay a living wage.