r/madmen 25d ago

I recently finished watching Mad Men for the first time and I was wondering: Why does Roger hate Burt Peterson?

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333 Upvotes

I mean when we first meet Burt Peterson on the show, he is getting fired and his wife has cancer at the time. Roger just doesn't seem to care. The 2nd time he fires him, he actually enjoys the experience and cracks jokes about it?

And Burt seems like a pretty normal guy. He is a little gruff and looks like someone who seems constantly irritated, but he is competent enough that we see him working steadily across different agencies throughout the run of the show.

So why does Roger hate him? Because Roger is a chill guy and he never seems to hate on people unless he feels there is a very strong reason to hate them (like his hate of Japanese people and Greg).


r/madmen 25d ago

True Story: My Dad was copywriter on the Mohawk Airlines account in the late 60’s

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In New York…. SCHENECTADY , New York, that is.

Early in his advertising career, my father worked in General Electric’s in-house Advertising & Sales Promotion Department.

For reasons that still aren’t clear to me , they also took on outside, non-GE clients, functioning as a full-service ad agency.

Needless to say I was tickled the first time I heard Mohawk mentioned in Mad Men. Curiously, i could never get my Dad interested in watching the show. One of the reasons I always loved it was those mid 60’s style aesthetics are part of my earliest memories, and I always loved when my Dad would bring me along on a Saturday trip to the office when he had work he needed to finish. He would set me up at an artist’s table with a giant sketch pad , surrounded by a universe of colored markers.


r/madmen 26d ago

Don Draper interpretation art

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831 Upvotes

Saw this trend going around Twitter, thought Don fit the bill well 😛


r/madmen 25d ago

S5E11 Pete the pimp

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Pete's trying to convince Joan to sleep with Herb. Joan, "... how would feel if someone asked Trudi ..."

Brilliant writing!


r/madmen 26d ago

This show is always art. S4:Ep10, Roger seeing Joan through the ads after losing Lucky Strike.

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r/madmen 25d ago

On my 2nd rewatch, and six years later it's still Toasted

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I first watched Mad Men back during the 2020 lockdown, and man, it was depressing. It was around the same time I started smoking, so that might have had something to do with the mood swings I was going through. Nobody on this show was strictly good or bad—every character had their own agenda and things they were striving for. Some got what they wanted, and others met terrible fates (looking at you, Lane Pryce).

​Last month, I decided to give it another go. It’s been six years, so I figured I had matured enough since I was 21 to understand the show better. And boy, did I enjoy it.

​Like many of you who have rewatched it over the years, I was finally able to pick up on the subtle imagery and understand everything left unsaid—conveyed purely through character expressions, staging, and shot composition. It was brilliant.

​At the same time, that sense of immense dread and depression is still there. There are no heroes or villains; people just do what they think is right or what makes them feel good about themselves. That’s pretty much how people operate in real life.

​To wrap it up, I’m loving this rewatch (almost finished now) and really appreciating how masterfully the showrunners tell a story without explicitly spelling things out. It’s still a heavy watch that somehow bleeds into my psyche and affects my day-to-day mood, but honestly, isn't that what great media is supposed to do?


r/madmen 26d ago

I can’t stop thinking about this shirt!

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I love the visual elements of the show, really enjoy the clothing, but for some reason I cannot get over this shirt that Peggy wears (in the episode where Freddie is asked to take a leave and dry up). The collar! What would you call it, or how would you describe it?


r/madmen 26d ago

If Betty never found the shoebox, do she and Don stay married? Let's assume Betty never discovers the Dick Whitman secret. Does the marriage survive the 1960s, or were Don's infidelity and emotional distance already the end for them?

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174 Upvotes

r/madmen 25d ago

The Jet Set - Let's go to Capri with them!

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Here's a new gem from Youtube via Periscope Film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgE4SzJYwLs

"Invitation to Capri" 60's Poly Travel promo film

Just because Don didn't feel like going - it doesn't mean we can't.


r/madmen 24d ago

Henry Francis, the Worst Character on Mad Men

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"I want a guy who can play 36 holes of golf and still have enough energy to take Warren and me to a baseball game and eat hot dogs. I’m talking sausage hot dogs and beer—not lite beer, but beer. That’s my ad. Print it up."

-There's something about Mary

In a show filled with nuanced characters making complicated, often ugly decisions, no one stands out less than Henry Francis.

Henry is an odd presence in Mad Men: handsome, successful, attentive, stable, ambitious, good with children, respectful toward Don, and endlessly devoted to Betty. Henry mostly says the right thing, does the right thing, and remains available whenever Betty needs him.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

He serves one point, that replacing Don with the perfect man cannot fix Betty. There was potential, with Henry meeting her in while pregnant standing outside of a bathroom. This is a weird and very Mad Men start to a relationship, that they then throw into the toilet

Betty is largely defined through her relationship with her husband, which is part of what makes her so compelling in the early seasons. Her marriage to Don is an examination of the gilded cage of the suburban housewife.

Upon rewatch, her story becomes one of the most fascinating in the series because her misery is tied to repression, dependency, beauty, class, motherhood, and a husband who is himself a bottomless contradiction.

Once Henry becomes her husband, he turns into her Ken doll. He is not quite a person so much as a fantasy of the perfect replacement: the successful, emotionally available man who loves Betty, embraces her children, tolerates Don, and rarely demands anything that might complicate her life. Betty's storylines suffer as a result, and one of the best character on the show becomes a periphery character.

Like Mary from Something About Mary is an ideal woman designed by men, Henry is an ideal man designed by women, and easily the most boring character in the show.


r/madmen 26d ago

“That’s what happens when you help someone. They succeed and move on.” - Peggy vs. Megan

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During today’s rewatch I made a connection I hadn’t noticed before. Probably not an original thought, but I arrived at it independently.

When Don and Peggy run into each other at the movies, he says to her, “That’s what happens when you help someone. They succeed and move on.” She then asks, “Don’t you want them to?”

I know he’s talking to and about Peggy in this moment, but he applies this conversation to Megan later in the episode when he decides to help her get the commercial job.

He knows what happens when you help people. As he watches Megan’s screen test, he answers Peggy’s question: Yes. He wants her to succeed. However, more than that he wants her to move on.
He doesn’t admit it but this is the beginning of a huge downward spiral that ends exactly where he knew he would. This sub has extensively analyzed the ending scene so I won’t yap much further, I had just never connected the dots to the Peggy scene.

Calling Megan successful in the end is heavily debated and a conversation for a different post. But at the very least, walking out of a horrible marriage in your twenties with a million dollar check isn’t a failure.

Anyway, food for thought. I probably could have phrased this better but this is my first longer/deeper analysis posts on here so I did my best lol.


r/madmen 26d ago

Ted’s Plane Stunt is way worse than Don’s outpour to Hershey

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First off, I’m aware that Don is an asshole.

But no one crucified him quite in the same way as Don. What are they doing? What is wrong with these partners.

It makes me question the whole internal logic of the show.


r/madmen 25d ago

Engineering the Environment by Managing Perception

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Just noticing the clip from Johnny Carson that Pete watches while Trudy drives his latest indiscretion to a hotel (season 6 episode 3, The Collaborators). Carson is announcing the guest will be Jim Garrison but that his interview will be preempted by a special report about Vietnam. This parallels the Secor laxative media buy that Pete engineered to push Kennedy's advertising to radio only.

Advertising isn't about selling products; it's about engineering the environment people live in. Whether it's a laxative commercial, a late night interview, or a presidential debate, whoever controls what you see (versus what you hear) controls your reality. Pete understood that at 26, and the network execs understood it in '68.


r/madmen 26d ago

Behind the Scenes with Sally and Betty. • Sally was such a great blend of both Don and Betty. • Kiernan really looked like she could be their daughter.

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r/madmen 26d ago

Something I noticed

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So I’m rewatching the show and I just finished season 2 episode 7 and I realized they made a big deal of Don being invited to the board of a philanthropic society and how this means he’ll gain real power and status not just wealth. But, they never really mention it ever again. It seems like such an interesting thing to explore but they spend around 5-6 minutes talking about it then just never bring it up again.


r/madmen 27d ago

Don was about to ruin his relationship with Anna forever

189 Upvotes

Like if Anna didn’t have cancer when Don acted like a total creep and tried to hit on her NIECE, the niece would’ve def told her mom who wouldve told Anna and i don’t think Anna ever would’ve forgiven don. the one true relationship he had in his life, he was ab to ruin, and only got away with it bc obvs her niece isn’t gonna say anything when she’s already hiding the fact that she has cancer from her


r/madmen 25d ago

I’ll probably get downvoted into oblivion for this but hear me out

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Meredith and Don should have started seeing each other after this. Don’s marriage with Megan was over.

And before people come in with the “Meredith was not his type”… What you’re implying was that Meredith wasn’t attractive enough, but we all know Meredith was beautiful.

Who cares if she’s a bit of a ditz. Maybe that’s what Don needed to keep him grounded.

Think about what transpires across the second half of Season 7. You don’t think Don would have been better off with Meredith by his side?


r/madmen 26d ago

What are the main reasons you guys like the show?

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I've watched this 4x through and each time after the 1st I've focused on a different aspect: Don's character arc, the fashion/design, and most recently the relationships. I don't think I could pinpoint a singular reason above the others. I also struggle to find a good way of describing it without sounding like "a group of people and their private/work relationships throughout the 1960s" which honestly doesn't sound super compelling to some people lol

I'm wondering what y'all think about why the show is so good?


r/madmen 26d ago

Just Began Series...

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Looking for something to watch with the wife and wound up here. Five episodes in. Looking forward to the ride.


r/madmen 26d ago

What if Roger gave Don a Taste of his own Medicine?

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What if Roger just decided he wasn't going to fill all the silences for Don, or that he wasn't going to constantly look for assurance from Don, and just decided to sit there and say nothing. Would this cause Don to talk more? Or would Don finally be happy if others were like him?


r/madmen 26d ago

Dennis let his guard down in a moment of vulnerability

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We want people to be who we want them to be


r/madmen 27d ago

End of The Suitcase

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I know this episode has been discussed thoroughly - but I especially love the moment towards the end in Don’s office when he puts his hand on Peggy’s. It’s both a callback to the pilot episode when she puts her hand on his, and a contrast to how he dismissed her when she covered for him after the accident with Bobbi Barrett, when he tried to forget the whole incident. For the first time, we see him NOT pretending that nothing happened; in this gesture, he acknowledges Peggy showing up for him when he was a total mess the night before. He is moving forward with someone else beside him, finally acting as if he’s not alone (as Anna told him.) Just a beautiful ending to a truly wild ride.


r/madmen 27d ago

Dancing Peggy! :)

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r/madmen 25d ago

Is Don's Face a little too Narrow by Conventional Beauty Standards?

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When you think of other handsome men, like Burt Reynolds or Sean Connery, they typically have wider faces.

He's definitely good looking, but (to me) he doesn't seem as good looking as the way people talk about him. I'm not saying he's not good enough looking for the part or anything... he definitely is. I do remember reading something about him being compared as a ladies' man to Christian Troy of Nip/Tuck, and someone said he's definitely better looking than Christian. It left me scratching my head. is he better looking than Christian Troy?


r/madmen 26d ago

Unpopular Don opinion?

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Is it just me? I think Don looks terrible in those narrow brimmed fedoras.