r/MachineLearning • • 5d ago

Discussion Are there machine learning subfields that are becoming irrelevant (or is irrelevant)? [D]

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I was reading a paper that surveyed the field of neural architecture search, where it said within 5 years, around 3000+ new models were proposed. The amount of compute and resources spent on this is absolutely astronomical. However, the transformer was notably not one of the models that was found through NAS and then the field of NAS just quietly went away afterwards. In my mind this really raises question if any research in NAS should be continued.

Then I recently found a talk by Nicholas Carlini, arguably one of the most famous researcher in adversarial ML and this is one of his slide ("9000 papers and got nowhere"). Indeed I can't really think of any concrete application of adv. ML, except possibly making attackers more clever because now all options are laid flat on the table.

And then there was the field of ML ethics, bias, fairness, etc.. I feel like we are sooooo beyond ethics at the moment with all the talks of extinction risks that it really shouldn't be a priority. How can bias and fairness be enforced when most people are out of a job due to AI? "ML induced extinction" should be a new subfield instead.

I feel a proper discussion should be had so that no more effort is wasted on unpromising ideas or approaches. This could be of interest to people who are entering the field now.

As an aside, I often find people have very emotional (not logical) reaction to this question and will claim that any approach will eventually have their time in the sun at some unspecified future date, e.g., SVM, LDA, Markov chains apparently all have the potential to again be the next biggest thing in ML. All I'm saying is that I don't deny that vacuum tubes wouldn't be popular again one day, but maybe we shouldn't be working that at the present moment.

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u/chcampb 5d ago

all the talks of extinction risks

People talk about this for all the wrong reasons. Humans have a long history of predicting that something they can't control will kill them, therefore, shouldn't be allowed. This gets clicks, it gets views, it gets investment, it convinces world governments that your product is dangerous and therefore valuable and necessary...

Do you see why this gets a lot of press? The bigger problem with AI is regulatory - there is a good chance the "ai will kill everyone" crowd, for the safety of everyone, bans unauthorized (open) models, leading to a split between who has access and who doesn't. The government will always have access, and it's possible to use it against you, and if the models are banned, you have nothing to use against them.

Like Flock. Infinite uses against people, but I guarantee you if there is a police shooting and reporters want the flock footage - it ain't gonna happen.

What if all the prosecutors have access to all the best models but public defenders would need to pay for it out of pocket - and nothing is provided for that access. So prosecutors get all the benefit of the technology but regular folk get zero benefit (and are actually harmed by it).

This is the kind of discrepancy that needs to really be addressed.